Removing a KDSS From a TRD Pro, Why?

[Lexington]

This is a curiosity question. I heard of some people removing a KDSS from a TRD Pro. I was told that if you’re a hard core off raoder your better off without it. What are the pros and cons of the KDSS?

Thanks

 

[SpeedyKevin]

This is a curiosity question. I heard of some people removing a KDSS from a TRD Pro. I was told that if you’re a hard core off raoder your better off without it. What are the pros and cons of the KDSS?

Thanks

You mean orp? Pro doesn't have kdss.

Tradeoffs of kdss are (slow speed offroading) lift limits, cant sas it, cant long travel it, added complexity, and still not the same as a disconnect.

 

[northcoast]

No KDSS allows you to set the truck up to wheel hard which I do not do. But KDSS plus a modest lift gives you some still very nice off road capability and some great on-road manners as well.

 

[Lexington]

Ok so KDSS allows for better handling and rides on rough dirt roads and dry river beds for example but limits rock crawling capabilities because it limits wheel travel. Removal allows more extreme rock crawling but sacrifices a smoother ride a bit and reduced cornering on roads. Did I get that right?

Thanks

 

[nb rob]

Oh ffs

 

[llDemonll]

KDSS is a big fat swaybar with a hydraulic piston on one end that is unlocked below 12mph and locked above it. it's essentially equivalent to a swaybar disconnect.

anything below 12mph is essentially a disconnected swaybar

anything above 12mph will be better road manners when cornering

 

[Wolfman’s Brother]

Mortal Kombat for Sega Genesis is the best video game ever.

This thread is for lunchroom conversation right?

 

[MAST4R]

Ok so KDSS allows for better handling and rides on rough dirt roads and dry river beds for example but limits rock crawling capabilities because it limits wheel travel. Removal allows more extreme rock crawling but sacrifices a smoother ride a bit and reduced cornering on roads. Did I get that right?

Thanks

Not really!

KDSS improves greatly handling on an otherwise stock vehicle, but the price you pay is comfort above 12 mph over choppy terrain. As others said, it is a monster sway bar that disengages at low speeds.

So the other benefit is in rock crawling a stock vehicle where you get extra wheel travel. This is a very real benefit but because most folks here lift for the looks or because they think they need a lift for a moderate trail, they don't appreciate the difference that a little bit of extra travel makes in off-camber and/or low traction situations.

The problem off-pavement is that while non-KDSS stock non-Pro 4R has mediocre to poor handling at speeds and also bottoming out problems, KDSS only addresses the former problem and at the a substantial price premium. By contrast, a decent aftermarket setup can solve both issues for less money (as mine).

So, it will depend on setup and use.

 

[SpeedyKevin]

Oh ffs

Don't worry, Bossman will arrive soon with a post full of KDSS links for this person!

 

[SpeedyKevin]

Not really!

KDSS improves greatly handling on an otherwise stock vehicle, but the price you pay is comfort above 12 mph over choppy terrain. As others said, it is a monster sway bar that disengages at low speeds.

So the other benefit is in rock crawling a stock vehicle where you get extra wheel travel. This is a very real benefit but because most folks here lift for the looks or because they think they need a lift for a moderate trail, they don't appreciate the difference that a little bit of extra travel makes in off-camber and/or low traction situations.

The problem off-pavement is that while non-KDSS stock non-Pro 4R has mediocre to poor handling at speeds and also bottoming out problems, KDSS only addresses the former problem and at the a substantial price premium. By contrast, a decent aftermarket setup can solve both issues for less money (as mine).

So, it will depend on setup and use.

What he said^

Also, you could improve the handling of the 4runner by getting aftermarket shocks with alittle more low speed (1-3in/sec) compression dampening. May not have the same flex as KDSS but still feels pretty good.

 

[Every Day OutDoors]

it limits travel at speeds above 12mph, that is what was said

 

[aaronRR]

it limits travel at speeds above 12mph, that is what was said

Yeah I misread that, I need to go to bed. :doh:

 

[Lexington]

Thanks for some of the good info. Much appreciated. The previous owner of my 4Runner removed the KDSS. The vehicle drives fine as it is but can still handle corners pretty well. I was trying to decide if it was worth putting the KDSS back in or go with a aftermarket shock like King shocks. Still exploring options.

Thanks

 

[SpeedyKevin]

Thanks for some of the good info. Much appreciated. The previous owner of my 4Runner removed the KDSS. The vehicle drives fine as it is but can still handle corners pretty well. I was trying to decide if it was worth putting the KDSS back in or go with a aftermarket shock like King shocks. Still exploring options.

Thanks

I'd suggest going with an aftermarket shock instead of putting KDSS back in. The system is a $1750 option plus the labor so thats quite expensive. Don't get me wrong, I really like the system on my 4runner but when it finally gives out, I'm likely dumping the system and going with some sort of currie antirock system (if that ever happens lol).

 

[llDemonll]

Thanks for some of the good info. Much appreciated. The previous owner of my 4Runner removed the KDSS. The vehicle drives fine as it is but can still handle corners pretty well. I was trying to decide if it was worth putting the KDSS back in or go with a aftermarket shock like King shocks. Still exploring options.

Thanks

If you still have a TRD Pro like your post suggests (and past posts suggest) your car never had KDSS, nor was it ever an option on TRD Pros. If you have a Pro and someone told you it used to have KDSS they lied to you.

 

[Toffees]

Mortal Kombat for Sega Genesis is the best video game ever.

This thread is for lunchroom conversation right?

I disagree. It's a very good game but I think Donkey Kong is the best game ever.

 

[Lexington]

If you still have a TRD Pro like your post suggests (and past posts suggest) your car never had KDSS, nor was it ever an option on TRD Pros. If you have a Pro and someone told you it used to have KDSS they lied to you.

Thanks Demon. Someone local with a 4Runner TRD Off Road said they came with one and he thought the previous owner had removed it. That where I got that idea from. I wasn’t concerned whether it had it or not when I bought it. I was curious as to what the pros and cons of the it was.

Thanks again

 

[itr1275]

t. it's essentially equivalent to a swaybar disconnect.

Not exactly. Yeah it get's pretty loose, but here is still some binding and limits to the motion. If you were to completely disconnect the sway bar it would provide more travel easier.

With that said sway bar disconnects are a pain in the ass.