Roof Rack & Tent Combo - Help Needed!!!

My connundrum is turning out to be a head-scratcher, do I buy a $45K loaded out Patriot Camper ($28K if I go for the loaded Peanut) or do I just spend $3.5K for the RTT and get a Polaris General 1000 4 in order to go wheeling / discovering during the day and come back to the 4Runner / RTT for the night.

If I go the former route, I'll save on the RTT since the Patriot will come with one. If I go with the latter, the only option to load / unload the tent would be to mount a winch on the cieling in the garage and have it raise / lower the RTT when not camping. Still a PITA to bolt / unbolt it every time but a little easier than calling a whole bunch of friends to help every time and get flamed in the process.

Both options to me are desireable, I'm just having a hard time picking.

Is there a reason you'd choose the Patriot for $30k over a Smittybuilt for $6k? From where I sit they appear pretty similar in form and function. I can't justify the price gap. I already have a custom one - so I'm not really in the market either way and I need hard side camper for bears in a few areas where it's required so they wouldn't work for me as a tent camper in those places. Mostly just curious.
 
Is there a reason you'd choose the Patriot for $30k over a Smittybuilt for $6k? From where I sit they appear pretty similar in form and function. I can't justify the price gap. I already have a custom one - so I'm not really in the market either way and I need hard side camper for bears in a few areas where it's required so they wouldn't work for me as a tent camper in those places. Mostly just curious.

Features that in my mind are worth the expense. The full blown kitchen that includes a 60 L fridge, two burner stove, grill, sink, onboard water and water heaters, hot water showers, (optional) tent heating for extended season camping, battery management system, king-sized mattress, air suspension for leveling the trailer, kid's tent as standard - I mean the list is pretty extensive for standard equipment and very little optional equipment.

The Smitty-bilt, as far as I know, in its standard form is a metal shell with wheels, a handbrake, electric brakes and some basic wiring for the rear lights. As you start to option it out - adding the kitchen, plumbing, fridge, rooftop tent, water tanks, batteries and electrical equipment, you will very quickly pass $20-25K mark towards the $30K mark.

I've spent more on tech and useless pieces in my life where I know that paying the little extra on a higher quality item will outlast itself in value-return.

I too wanted a hard-shell camper and initially the Moby1 XTR was at the very top of my list. Fully loaded and tipping the $ scale at $44K, which I was still ok with, but long wait times and 50% deposit to start the build were dealbreakers for me. Which is why I have been tossing between the Patriot, Peanut, and Turtleback.
 
Anyone got a roof platform with a ladder and stick a quick setup ground tent on top?
Having a hard time finding info on this.
 
Is there a reason you'd choose the Patriot for $30k over a Smittybuilt for $6k? From where I sit they appear pretty similar in form and function. I can't justify the price gap. I already have a custom one - so I'm not really in the market either way and I need hard side camper for bears in a few areas where it's required so they wouldn't work for me as a tent camper in those places. Mostly just curious.

I agree almost 100%, until I saw this post on Florida group camping site. They guy stated his trailer was two months old and it occurred on a gravel road. I don’t assume anything else (is speed of travel or how it was loaded) but it does give some pause. Maybe not $6k for a Smittybuilt but $7-9k for a CVT, Ethos off-road, VMI, Manley, or even step up to a Schutt Xventure for a few grand more. Still completely built out for $10-15k. I was honestly considering the smittybuilt until I found the m416 that we are working on. Glad to have the military overbuilt specs after seeing this.
 

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I agree almost 100%, until I saw this post on Florida group camping site. They guy stated his trailer was two months old and it occurred on a gravel road. I don’t assume anything else (is speed of travel or how it was loaded) but it does give some pause. Maybe not $6k for a Smittybuilt but $7-9k for a CVT, Ethos off-road, VMI, Manley, or even step up to a Schutt Xventure for a few grand more. Still completely built out for $10-15k. I was honestly considering the smittybuilt until I found the m416 that we are working on. Glad to have the military overbuilt specs after seeing this.

the issue has been addressed and a fix has been sent out. Smittybilt takes care of their peeps. in the page 70 or so the issue comes up here.... https://www.expeditionportal.com/fo...t-trailer-reviews.174189/page-84#post-2544788

enjoy that thread, theres some killer ideas in it, it is the sole reason why i wanted to build a trailer. Smittybilt did a nice job building a little trailer thats not stupid expensive. but i was able to build one for less then half the price:playball:
 
the issue has been addressed and a fix has been sent out. Smittybilt takes care of their peeps. in the page 70 or so the issue comes up here.... https://www.expeditionportal.com/fo...t-trailer-reviews.174189/page-84#post-2544788

enjoy that thread, theres some killer ideas in it, it is the sole reason why i wanted to build a trailer. Smittybilt did a nice job building a little trailer thats not stupid expensive. but i was able to build one for less then half the price:playball:

I know, I read that whole thread when researching trailers. The issues although corrected still gave me some pause. I’m in a similar boat cost wise, not half the price but we’ll under the smittybuilt price with the m416. Fully restored with lid, 3500lb axle swap, Toyota lug matching hubs with e-brake capability, custom full fenders and now working on a height adjustable rack all for under $5k...and its built like a tank. Pic before the rack.
 

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I know, I read that whole thread when researching trailers. The issues although corrected still gave me some pause. I’m in a similar boat cost wise, not half the price but we’ll under the smittybuilt price with the m416. Fully restored with lid, 3500lb axle swap, Toyota lug matching hubs with e-brake capability, custom full fenders and now working on a height adjustable rack all for under $5k...and its built like a tank. Pic before the rack.

do you have more pics/build thread?
 
I agree almost 100%, until I saw this post on Florida group camping site. They guy stated his trailer was two months old and it occurred on a gravel road. I don’t assume anything else (is speed of travel or how it was loaded) but it does give some pause. Maybe not $6k for a Smittybuilt but $7-9k for a CVT, Ethos off-road, VMI, Manley, or even step up to a Schutt Xventure for a few grand more. Still completely built out for $10-15k. I was honestly considering the smittybuilt until I found the m416 that we are working on. Glad to have the military overbuilt specs after seeing this.

Wow. That's some really horrible manufacturing quality. After seeing that - yeah, I'd steer clear of those trailers. Whoever is manufacturing those has some major quality control issues. First - obviously the welds have zero penetration. It looks like it was cut with a saw - because none of the saw cut area had any weld. And then the fish plate they put on was two pieces?? That basically defeats the entire purpose of doing a fish plate. They should buy them all back and fix them. Some of the fixes I saw on expedition portal are pretty bad too. Just not understanding what's wrong, welding in some tubing, but not fixing the problem.

A basic heavy duty 4x6 trailer should run around $1,000. Then add the cost of the boxes and such and I think $3-4000 should get you a very nicely setup offroad trailer. There's a bunch of off-the-shelf slide out kitchens you can buy and fit to whatever trailer you have.
 
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Looking for helpful info on mounting Tepui Hybox on 2016 SR5

I'm specifically looking for a rack (or a list of them) that lends itself to these roof tents well, but also has uses when the RTT is not on the truck. I have no experience in this area, and I don't really know where to start.

I'm looking to drive around the western states with my mountain bikes on my 1Up USA rack (hitch mount) and I'd love to sleep up top if possible.

Thanks

https://i.imgur.com/2Pa4pfO.jpg
 
I'm specifically looking for a rack (or a list of them) that lends itself to these roof tents well, but also has uses when the RTT is not on the truck. I have no experience in this area, and I don't really know where to start.

I'm looking to drive around the western states with my mountain bikes on my 1Up USA rack (hitch mount) and I'd love to sleep up top if possible.

Thanks

https://i.imgur.com/2Pa4pfO.jpg

front runner or gobi I would say are the most popular.
each has pros and cons. I had the gobi on my 4th gen. I have the front runner on my GX. looks wise, gobi is the winner. cost/weight/availability front runner is the winner. I am using their quick release tent mounts and its a game changer. so much faster to load and unload. I also have plenty of room on the rack to hold many other camping supplies.

just my 2 cents
 

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