Rough Shift/Lurch from Park to Drive

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rocky.mtn

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Hi All,

2011 4Runner SR5 owner in Canada with 79,000 KMs. I have searched and found the attached thread (http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/69434-surging-when-putting-gear.html) with no definitive conclusion.

When shifting from Park into Drive upon starup I get a lurch/surge forward on my 4Runner that is quite drastic. I must ensure that my foot is firmly pressed on the brake, otherwise it could be dangerous with another car in front. I admit if I wait for the truck to completely warm-up idle the lurch is less, however, still there. Shifting from Park into Reverse, it is much less.

Have any owners found a solution, or service that can aid in this problem? This is my first Toyota.
Thanks!
 
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what is the engine RPM ? should be like 1200-1500 when cold . should go it to gear with not so much of a bump..

if really cold like zero below F temps maybe above 2K RPM that would do it if that high.
 
rocky.mtn said:
Hi All,

2011 4Runner SR5 owner in Canada with 79,000 KMs. I have searched and found the attached thread (http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/69434-surging-when-putting-gear.html) with no definitive conclusion.

When shifting from Park into Drive upon starup I get a lurch/surge forward on my 4Runner that is quite drastic. I must ensure that my foot is firmly pressed on the break, otherwise it could be dangerous with another car in front. I admit if I wait for the truck to completely warm-up idle the lurch is less, however, still there. Shifting from Park into Reverse, it is much less.

Have any owners found a solution, or service that can aid in this problem? This is my first Toyota.
Thanks!
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Question: Why would you ever not have your foot firmly depressing the BRAKE when shifting from park to druve?

Question: In what situation would you shift from park to drive with a vehicle directly in front of you?

Comment: If your truck is not warmed up then the high idle rpm is what causes your issue. Just give it a minute. There's your solution.
 
1engineer said:
Question: Why would you ever not have your foot firmly depressing the BRAKE when shifting from park to druve?

Question: In what situation would you shift from park to drive with a vehicle directly in front of you?

Comment: If your truck is not warmed up then the high idle rpm is what causes your issue. Just give it a minute. There's your solution.
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Thank you for catching my spelling error.

Answer 1: Do you get into your 4Runner each time and think "better have my leg locked or there could be consequences"?

Answer 2: There are situations when this can occur, I don't think I need to need to explain one. I'm not talking immediately in front of the vehicle, but a couple feet in front. Even if the car surges as much as 6 inches this could create an uncomfortable situation.

Response: As I said - the surge is less when I let the idle completely drop, but not non-existent. I am looking for input whether this is normal for the severity of the surge.
 
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rocky.mtn said:
Thank you for catching my spelling error.

Answer 1: Do you get into your 4Runner each time and think "better have my leg locked or there could be consequences"?

Answer 2: There are situations when this can occur, I don't think I need to need to explain one. I'm not talking immediately in front of the vehicle, but a couple feet in front. Even if the car surges as much as 6 inches this could create an uncomfortable situation.

Response: As I said - the surge is less when I let the idle completely drop, but not non-existent. I am looking for input whether this is normal for the severity of the surge.
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It's normal. Again, let it warm up and come off high idle.

My foot is always on the brake when shifting from P to D. It won't let you shift otherwise.
 
Brake pads have been changed!

High Idle is at 1,500 and drops to about 1,100 at low idle.


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Is it parked on an incline when it does this? I've noticed some unhappy shifts into D when I park on a hill and don't set the parking brake. Otherwise, I'd say you have nothing to worry about.
 
rocky.mtn said:
Brake pads have been changed!

High Idle is at 1,500 and drops to about 1,100 at low idle.


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??? 1100 rpms when at operating temp? Seems high to me. My 12' Limited runs at about 850 rpms at operating temp in park. A couple hundred rpms over that might cause a jolt.
 
I've noticed this even with our Tundra. Like others have said let it warm up....Sometimes if I'm in a hurry, I'll shift to Reverse for a second or two and the rpms drop down and then I'll shift to Drive.
 
rocky.mtn said:
Brake pads have been changed!

High Idle is at 1,500 and drops to about 1,100 at low idle.


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the cold idle of 1500 RPM is normal. when the engine is at normal temp my T4R is 750 RPM...

sometimes though it will for some reason increase to 875 RPM stopped at a red light etc... then with my foot on the brake and this RPM increases it will move the vehicle... don't like that idle changing for no reason , idle control on these is not very good.

pcm should be adjusting the idle to be at a constant PRM esp when foot on brake pedal..........

so I stay 10 feet away from the vehicle in front of me at a light .
 
catrains said:
the cold idle of 1500 RPM is normal. when the engine is at normal temp my T4R is 750 RPM...

sometimes though it will for some reason increase to 875 RPM stopped at a red light etc... then with my foot on the brake and this RPM increases it will move the vehicle... don't like that idle changing for no reason , idle control on these is not very good.

pcm should be adjusting the idle to be at a constant PRM esp when foot on brake pedal..........

so I stay 10 feet away from the vehicle in front of me at a light .
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This is similar to my situation.
The Low Idle I'm referring to is before I shift out of drive (1,100). Once driving and at a red light I'm about 850 as well, but if I was to shift into neutral the idle speed increases to closer to 900. I've always been confused as to why idle speed jumps when going into Neutral.

If everyone says this is normal then it definitely does make me feel better! In terms of on a hill, my parking space has a slight upwards grade and I reverse in.
 
rocky.mtn said:
This is similar to my situation.
The Low Idle I'm referring to is before I shift out of drive (1,100). Once driving and at a red light I'm about 850 as well, but if I was to shift into neutral the idle speed increases to closer to 900. I've always been confused as to why idle speed jumps when going into Neutral.

If everyone says this is normal then it definitely does make me feel better! In terms of on a hill, my parking space has a slight upwards grade and I reverse in.
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IMO these idle too high should be 500-600 RPM..

so how do we do this ??
 
It's definitely normal. And takes some getting used to. Hell the brakes alone take time to get used to. I drove the wife's highlander over the weekend and the first stop sign I came to, I nearly went through the windshield lol. Our brakes are weird.
 
Thanks for the help - guess I need to learn to be real patient on the start up and that the movement is nothing to worry about.
 
am0767 said:
anyone have this issue on a later model?? like a 2020?
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I also have this issue with my 2023 TRD Off-Road that I got it at the beginning of April. It only occurs in P,N,R to D, P to R works fine. It's very noticeable during cold start, but becomes less after driving for a while.
 
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