salvage titles a good deal? ---> 2001 4Runner???

suparobb

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im looking to buy this SALVAGED Black 2001 SR5 with the Sport Package, 59k miles, has black leather interior seats that looks like was switched in from tan cloth interior seats. so possibly a theft recovery salvage title? there no obvious major body damage, although it looks like its been bondo on one of the doors, and the paint in places doesnt look like original paint, its a semi nice looking car. you can find imperfections here and there when you're up close. haven't inspected it for major body damage.

the guy ive been talking to is asking $15,000 OBO, the actual owner is his sister in law so hes just doing the sale. he doesnt know that it is a salvage title just yet because i just ran the carfax on it.

i just not sure if its such a good deal anymore, 15,000 for a clean title sounded like a decent asking price hence the low mileage but then now that i know its salvage title, i dont know how much a fair asking price for it could be anymore

its a hard one to call, how much would you take off because its salvaged? 30% 40% or even 50% off blue book?
 
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I wouldn't touch a salvaged vehicle with a 10' pole...

if you really want to buy it, run it's VIN with carfax and see what kind of salvage it is.

just think why it was salvaged, it was probably for a good reason...
 
heres a picture

it looks pretty clean from afar, no? when you get close, you find alot of imperfections like scratches and evidenece of bondo on one of the doors.
 

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I had salvage titled vehicle before. Trust me it's not worth of few grand that you'll save. When comes time to sell it - thats when it'll bite back. No car dealer will buy with salvage title which means no trade in value towards new truck down the road. Also, there is almost always ghost in the machine type of mulfunctions (i.e. lights going out in dash or rattles in some places). Looks is nothing without function.
 
I have to agree. In a few years if you go to sell it or trade it in there is VERY good chance that you wont get any kind of serious money for it. I am sure you can find a certified pre-owned for only a few thousand more which will still give you good equity and may come with a warranty! This truck wouldnt have a warranty and it is probably a truck you would want and NEED a warranty for!
 
It's most likely someone trying to unload their problems on some unsuspecting sucker. I'd pay $1500 for it. That's about it.
 
so i just talked to the guy, and i talked him down to $11,000....

so kbb with a clean title is $18,000, so im paying roughly 60% of kbb

now given the car drives strong and straight. and the frame is straight. cause thats really all my main concern is, that it drives straight.

all this negative feedback isnt really helping me at this point.....im so TORN!!!!!@#!@#$!$# i know the general concensus of a purchasing a SALVAGED TITLE car is to stay away, but you know deals can be made if you do your homework and everything checks out.....

because im suppose to come out tomorrow with a cashiers check to pick up the car......:confused: :confused: :confused:

WHAT TO DO!?!??! i've waited so long and here is my chance......should i try to talk him down to 10 grand even??? or should i just wait even longer and walk away???

:( :confused: :( :confused:
 
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Only one way I'd buy it

For starter's I would never pay even half of KBB for a salvaged title, but even then I would just buy it to SAS it and put it in the woods. So your answer is No from me. I did it once, I bought a flood damaged 98 Wrangler for just under half of blue book and sold it about a year later due to "gremlins". I didn't however take a loss on the sale but I regretted the whole deal. I ended up buying another straight title Jeep and proceeded to put 180,000 "gremlin" free miles on it.

Your choice, there are better deals out there, you'll just have to be patient.

T
 
Be patient, why was it salvaged? Did you run a Carfax on it? NEVER let a seller pressure you into buying!! The 4R wil be there next week. This guy will have a tough time moving it, so you are holding all the cards.
 
Just keep in mind what everyone has already said:

(1) Don't plan on being able to sell it. Only buy it if you plan on keeping it for yourself.

(2) Be prepared to put some/all of what you "saved" back into the truck - both in terms of time and money. Be prepared to have little things go wrong for the life of the truck.

(3) Be prepared for the slight possibility that something major may be wrong with the truck. You may have to either put a lot of money into it or junk it for a non-salvage title. Can you afford to do this if the deal goes bad?

(4) Remind yourself that the seller did not volunteer that fact that the vehicle was a salvage. Don't buy his story. He knew. So what else isn't he telling you?

Can you live with all that? Did you get a carfax on it? Can you take it to a garage for a checkup?

The seller came down 27% awfully fast. He'll probably come down some more. If you REALLY insist on doing this, show up with a cashier's check for $9,000 and see if he bites.
 
The more I read over your first post, the more fishy it sounds. He is selling the car for his sister-in-law. Riiiiiiiight.... (In best Doctor Evil voice)

I remember seeing a piece on Dateline about people doing this very thing. They take salvaged vehicles and fix it up and then sell it to unsuspecting people. Here is the article: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5182785

Buyer beware, but its your money so do what you think is right.
 
Find out if seller is a dealer. If he is and sells the car as his own he's breaking the law. In some states you can't even get the new title, that's where those cars will be registered across the state line. There is always a way to bend the law with out breaking it, which car dealers do well. If you get anything on the seller you can buy the truck for almost nothing, but again how solid is the frame, was it heated and pulled, will you trust it to hold up when you take the rig off road? Good luck
 
are you loaning from a bank or are you paying cash? most bank will not loan out on a vehicle with a salvage title. also keep in mind that if it gets wrecked or stolen you wont recieve full book value on the truck from your insurance co. not to mention you'll never be able to trade that in for even a fraction of the acutal value. dont bother, just find a clean title truck. there are plenty of deals out there just keep looking.
 
now given the car drives strong and straight. and the frame is straight. cause thats really all my main concern is, that it drives straight.

Check with your DMV--I don't know how it is where you live, but here (Nevada), there are a lot of restrictions on Salvage Title vehicles:

1. You can't register, or operate, a vehicle with a Salvage Title;

2. If the vehicle is going to be restored to service, it must be restored by a licensed, bonded garage. No do-it-yourselves welcome, thank you;

3. All damaged safety equipment must be restored to original condition for the model year in question;

4. Once the repair work is complete, the garage must certify the repairs and the vehicle must be inspected by DMV;

5. Once the certification and inspection are complete, the vehicle may be issued a new Title as a "Rebuilt" vehicle. That means the new Title will say "Rebuilt" not "Toyota".

Also, if you decide that it's going to cost too much to repair, it's illegal to sell parts off the vehicle, unless you have a valid wrecker license.

If you do repair it, but then decide that you don't really want it, you still have get the certification and inspection and clear the title before you can sell it.

Bottom line: Unless you're a body shop, and auto wrecker, or an insurance company, stay clear of Salvage Titles...

--Dan
 
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I run a small car lot where we do quite a few rebuilders. Some of the things these guys are saying are correct. Let me tell you what I think.

1) 11000 is too high. If I would have done that rebuilder I would have put it on the lot for maybe 10500 asking and would take 9000 for sale.

2) All of the rebuilders we do were light hits. Most of them don't even have blown airbags. We supply before pictures and pictures of rebuilding so customers know exactly what damage there was. Ask him if he has these pictures. By law they have to have at least 4-8 pictures of before the vehicle was hit.

3) Most of the time you will not experience any more mechanical problems unless it was really hit hard. IE - if a car is hit in the rear or side why would you have mechanical failure? Maybe excessive wind noise or water leakage.

4) What state are you buying the truck from. I am in Wisconsin and our state has a strict rebuilt inspection process. I have at least 4 hours of paperwork to do with each rebuild. We cannot get a vehicle passed if the airbag light does not turn on, blink and then shut off. Any dash lights that don't turn on with key and turn off after a couple of seconds will fail.

5) Frame has to be straight. Inspectors will take dimensions and double check. Have to be within a tolerance of 1/8 in.

To say the least if you were buying a salvage rebuild in wisconsin with our states policies I would say don't worry about it, but other states (texas, etc) you have to be VERY careful. The best thing you can do is go to you local states dmv website and do some research on their inspection process. Being at the auctions all of time I have seen some rebuilers that a trained eye could not tell where the car was hit, and I have seen some sloughtered ones. Buyer beware.

Usually the best way to tell what kind of quality the rebuilder was is stick you finger into all seams (fender gaps, hood gaps, door gaps, bumper gaps) and see if it feels like the same width as you run your finger down it. A car that had been repaired properly will have consitant joints, one that was repaired shabby will have uneven gaps meaning the car is not pulled all of the way out. Also a good rule of thumb is if the paint job looks stock and you can't tell that the car has been hit (even close up) more than likely that same care has been taken with the whole rebuild process.

Good Luck
 
Mate... i just don't know...

Dude, your internet family here, this web site, has some serious dedicated 4runner fanatics here... including myself... i bet we check this thing at least 2 or 3 times a day.... since i have been a member... these guys give out sound advice... and i trust it... you received more than one post about being cautious.....

basically, when something sounds too good to be true.... i usually get played.. and that irritates the crap outta me.... so.... people try to pawn off a problem on someone that is unsuspecting....


just picture this... you get this truck and start to have all sorts of problem...

dude, no matter how much you polish a turd... its still a turb..... in my book....

patience is everything.... you put forth the same effort into looking for a good deal....

like the perfect one... my dear old grandma that drives her car once a week to get groceries and get her hair done... she has the car maintained at the dealer.. not a damm scratch... but every 2 years, she trades it in for a different color one, cuase it's pretty....

that is the deal to find... right there...

just look around....

good luck
 
This is my first post here been a lurker for a while really enjoyed the forum, and learned a lot, now if my wife would just let me wheel her 4 runner.

However, I must disagree with what most people had told you concering salvage title vechiles.

First off how many people downing them have ever actually owned one? What are telling you myth and rumor.

Well I will give you facts, since I have owned 3 salvage title vechicles. This includes 2001 4WD 4 runner sr5 we bought for my wife's dailly driver in 2003.

First off her's had about 32,000 miles it had been rear ended, the air bigs did not deploy and was rebuilt by a local guy. He only rebuilds late model tacoma's and 4 runners. So I know it was done right. He also had pictures taken when he brought it in to fix, (it is helpful to see these, so you can thoughly inspect for damage) The 4 runner was fixed right and also in 100% perfect condition. It looked brand new, and you could not tell the rear lift gate, window, tow bar, and bumper had all been replaced.

We paid $15,000 cash (this was about May 2003) and have had the car about 1.5 years it now has about 70k trouble free miles on it.

I personally will gladly buy another salvage title vechile if the price is right.

My other two salvage vechiles a 94 jeep cherokee, and a 00 jeep cherokee have been excellent has well. In fact I traded in the 94 to the 00 and paid $9,500 cash differece. (the 94 had 140,000 miles at trade, while the 01 a cherokee limited, had 17k miles) both were 4wd. They guy I traded them primarily rebuilds and deals in jeep cherokees and wranglers. (he also sells extended warranties.) So yes you can get a warranty for a salvage title vechicle. In fact a bumper to bumper 4 year extend warranty with a $50 dedcutable for my salvage title jeep cherokee limited. Was an additional $800. (I did not buy it)

I have had this jeep since July 2001 and it now has 110k miles (many offroad) and it still runs great, although the body is beat up pretty bad.

Another myth is you can't trade them in on anything. That is not true at most dealers. I traded my last jeep in and if you look on ebay you will see many dealers selling traded in salvage title vechiles on there all the time. Of course your not going to get kbb trade in value. but you did not pay anywhere near book value when you bought the car originally so who cares. You will still come out way better than new car or even used car depreciation

If your like me, and always save up and pay cash when you buy a car, and then you plan on driving that car into the ground or at least putting very high miles on it, a property researched salvage title vechicle is a great way to go. (I just don't tell my neighbor's thats the way I buy them :)

If you can see pics of the car's original damage, and the work looks good I would buy it, as that's a great price for a very reliable vechicle. And even if something did tear up it would take a lot of repairs to equal all the money you saved by getting rebuilt title. I bet if you had to put a new engine in it you would still be way ahead.

Also my Insurance Agent told me a while back that about 10-12% of vechiles on the road today are either salvage title, flood damage, or theft recovery. So buying one is pretty common.

If you live anywhere near KY I would be happy to give you the name and the number of the rebuilder we bought my wife's 4 Runner from, he's a great guy.

Good luck.
 
you make alot of good points. still wouldn't buy one though. used cars/trucks can be big enough headaches without adding potentially unknown variables to the equation.
 
hey you guys, thanks for all of your sound advice.

not only did it make my decision that much harder, but it made me think of all the possible variables that could possibly make this a bad deal. frame damage, umatching vin numbers on the doors, hood, hatch, fenders. they all matched up.

i went ahead with my gut instinct and purchased the 4runner!!

i brought it in for a 60k service at the dealership and it came home with clean bill of health. they found nothing wrong with it.

they only few things that was wrong with it when i bought it was that the power antenna was broken, brakes were due pretty soon, it was at 3/32 seconds, and well, thats pretty much it

if i had the choice, i'd buy another salvage titled vehicle if it was for the right price.
 

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