Thai
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Oh no, you said as much dude. Don't backtrack like a coward now....
San Bernardino Shooting
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Oh no, you said as much dude. Don't backtrack like a coward now....
KidVermicious
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Exactly right. One lone wacko killing people in Gods name is not equivalent to an event orchestrated and carried out by a group of individuals seeking to effect change in other's behavior through fear of applied violence.
Thai
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Obama says...
"It is possible that this is terrorist-related, but we don't know. It's also possible this was workplace-related," he said.
My Note: REALLY, work-related?! Machine guns, vests, bombs...work-related?! Any anti-Muslim movie we can blame on also while we're at it? This sure sounds like Benghazi all over again!
Obama praised law enforcement officials for their professionalism. "We can't just leave it to our professionals to deal with the problem of these kinds of horrible killings. We all have a part to play," he said....
My Note: Well, at least this time, Obama did not throw LEO under the bus like he did every other time!
"We're going to have to I think search ourselves as a society to make sure that we take some basic steps that make it harder -- not impossible -- but harder for individuals to get access to weapons," he said.
My Note: Great! More gun control...hey, lets make more soft spots for these terrorist animals to prey on! France strict gun control worked great!!! Lets copy their stupid ass!
"It is possible that this is terrorist-related, but we don't know. It's also possible this was workplace-related," he said.
My Note: REALLY, work-related?! Machine guns, vests, bombs...work-related?! Any anti-Muslim movie we can blame on also while we're at it? This sure sounds like Benghazi all over again!
Obama praised law enforcement officials for their professionalism. "We can't just leave it to our professionals to deal with the problem of these kinds of horrible killings. We all have a part to play," he said....
My Note: Well, at least this time, Obama did not throw LEO under the bus like he did every other time!
"We're going to have to I think search ourselves as a society to make sure that we take some basic steps that make it harder -- not impossible -- but harder for individuals to get access to weapons," he said.
My Note: Great! More gun control...hey, lets make more soft spots for these terrorist animals to prey on! France strict gun control worked great!!! Lets copy their stupid ass!
On a separate note: CXS, i thought that i was on your IGNORE list?
Best post yet - I'll have to see what happened that makes me see your inane comments.
flighht2k5
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Terrorism
the calculated use of violence or the threat of violence against civilians in order to attain goals that are political, religious, ideological in nature
Major Hassan calculated the use of violence in order to attain goals.
These individuals in San Bernardino calculated the use of violence in order to attain goals
flighht2k5
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"It is possible that this is terrorist-related, but we don't know. It's also possible this was workplace-related," he said.
My Note: REALLY, work-related?! Machine guns, vests, bombs...work-related?! Any anti-Muslim movie we can blame on also while we're at it? This sure sounds like Benghazi all over again!
Obama praised law enforcement officials for their professionalism. "We can't just leave it to our professionals to deal with the problem of these kinds of horrible killings. We all have a part to play," he said....
My Note: Well, at least this time, Obama did not throw LEO under the bus like he did every other time!
"We're going to have to I think search ourselves as a society to make sure that we take some basic steps that make it harder -- not impossible -- but harder for individuals to get access to weapons," he said.
My Note: Great! More gun control...hey, lets make more soft spots for these terrorist animals to prey on! France strict gun control worked great!!! Lets copy their stupid ass!
There was 82 people shot in Chicago last weekend. 15 of them died. No one says anything about that. Because it doesn't have the pull as a mass shooting does.
Murder is already illegal. But that doesn't stop murder. Not sure how more and more gun laws will stop these from happening.
FYI I agree with you.
1engineer
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Personally I have a bit different viewpoint on the label "terrorist." I think that any person, or group of people who commit an action that can "terrorize" other people is a terrorist. The DC sniper guy comes to mind. He terrorized lots of people yet he was a sniper. In the case of Oklahoma City bombing he didn't really terrorize anyone because nobody knew he was going to do it.
With that said any GROUP (does not have to be religious but usually is) that sponsors, trains or otherwise supports and condones an individual that is doing this crap is a terrorist organization and that person is also a terrorist.
I'm a Christian but I have several Muslim friends. I respect their religion and they respect (tolerate lol) mine. We have had several discussions about this subject and strangely enough they basically wash their hands of people and organizations that commit these acts. They say, and I paraphrase, "These guys are not Muslim because they are breaking the rules of our religion, therefore they cannot be Muslim." I argue that it does not matter if they break the rules, they claim they are Muslim and are doing these acts under your banner, so to speak. The perception of the rest of the world is that they are Muslim, never mind if that is really true or not. Perception=reality.
In reality, I think that unfortunately it is just like any other terrible act done in the name of religion. Christians did this same crap back in the middle ages from the Crusades all the way up to the Salem Witch Trials. Where will it end? Probably never.
Now, for those of you people who blame guns and our laws, get real. That is a knee jerk reaction by people who, if IQ was a temperature then you would have to wear a jacket just to go around them. Pretty much all politicians qualify here. A gun is just a tool, just like a club or a pipe bomb or a hammer. It's the person behind the tool that is the problem.
With that said any GROUP (does not have to be religious but usually is) that sponsors, trains or otherwise supports and condones an individual that is doing this crap is a terrorist organization and that person is also a terrorist.
I'm a Christian but I have several Muslim friends. I respect their religion and they respect (tolerate lol) mine. We have had several discussions about this subject and strangely enough they basically wash their hands of people and organizations that commit these acts. They say, and I paraphrase, "These guys are not Muslim because they are breaking the rules of our religion, therefore they cannot be Muslim." I argue that it does not matter if they break the rules, they claim they are Muslim and are doing these acts under your banner, so to speak. The perception of the rest of the world is that they are Muslim, never mind if that is really true or not. Perception=reality.
In reality, I think that unfortunately it is just like any other terrible act done in the name of religion. Christians did this same crap back in the middle ages from the Crusades all the way up to the Salem Witch Trials. Where will it end? Probably never.
Now, for those of you people who blame guns and our laws, get real. That is a knee jerk reaction by people who, if IQ was a temperature then you would have to wear a jacket just to go around them. Pretty much all politicians qualify here. A gun is just a tool, just like a club or a pipe bomb or a hammer. It's the person behind the tool that is the problem.
ndcent
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When I remarked the fact that ladders kill more Americans than ISIS?
Yes I said that and it's a simple fact I intended to bring some perspective into folks rampant islamaphobia. What you read beyond the fact is all you, bud.
flighht2k5
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It's sad people have to reach back over a 1000 years and bring up the crusades. The crusades were a response to Muslim attacks.
Rock_Rat
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It's been interesting reading through the links in this thread and the links in the thread on the Syrian Crisis. It's a shame there even has to be threads for both of these tragedies but I'm afraid it is the world we live in today.
I found a great link on "Understanding Terrorism" from the University of Maryland. This is NOT a free course if anyone is interested in expanding their knowledge on the subject... from the experts of course...
There is other interesting material on the subject matter.
https://www.coursera.org/learn/terrorism
They offer a free course...presented by the experts of course...on the matter of ISIS(L).
Core Capabilities and Potential Durability of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) | START.umd.edu
I found a great link on "Understanding Terrorism" from the University of Maryland. This is NOT a free course if anyone is interested in expanding their knowledge on the subject... from the experts of course...
There is other interesting material on the subject matter.
https://www.coursera.org/learn/terrorism
They offer a free course...presented by the experts of course...on the matter of ISIS(L).
Core Capabilities and Potential Durability of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) | START.umd.edu
1engineer
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I'm a sad guy bro. Just showing killing in the name of religion is not a new topic. Every now and then people get themselves worked up in a frenzy and start killing other people and using their religion as an excuse.
Rock_Rat
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Here's a free course on understanding Terrorism. Syllabus is as follows:
https://www.coursera.org/course/understandingterror
Course Syllabus
Module 1: Introduction - How Do We Study Terrorism?
Module 2: Individual Radicalization
Module 3: Group Dynamics
Module 4: Terrorist Operations
Module 5: Putting it all together: Al-Qa'ida Case Study
https://www.coursera.org/course/understandingterror
Course Syllabus
Module 1: Introduction - How Do We Study Terrorism?
Module 2: Individual Radicalization
Module 3: Group Dynamics
Module 4: Terrorist Operations
Module 5: Putting it all together: Al-Qa'ida Case Study
Thai
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Ask them this next time...HOW are these acts breaking the rules of their religion?
A better perspective would be understanding the DIFFERENCE between Sunni and Shi'a religious views. Once you understand the difference, then you will see why these acts occur.
Thai
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That is one dumbass perspective.
KidVermicious
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It's not enough to have goals, the goal has to be to terrorize the populace at large, to motivate large groups of people towards a specific behavior. That's not Hasan - he was emotionally unstable and snapped. The fact that other people happened to get scared or that Islamic extremist groups tried to capitalize on his behavior is entirely incidental.
San Bernardino, I don't know. You may be right. The last I read, the FBI was treating it as a counterterrorism investigation, but had yet to release any statement assigning a specific motive. Until they do, and because of the implications of the word, I think it's too early to call it a terrorist attack.
KidVermicious
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flighht2k5
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I would say it is working. Everyone these happen everyone is afraid of guns. Right?
This is a good conversation
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