flighht2k5
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Dang that's all you got eh? Like said previously. You're all out of ammo so you resort personal attacks. That's the first post where I used incorrect spelling. Oops I made a mistake.
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Dang that's all you got eh? Like said previously. You're all out of ammo so you resort personal attacks. That's the first post where I used incorrect spelling. Oops I made a mistake.
flighht2k5
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Yaaayyy. The tool has a friend in here. My assumptions have proven to be correct with him. Soooooo.......
ndcent
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While personally atacking me on one hand you're calling me out for personal attacks on the other. You're going places, kid.
flighht2k5
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Remind me where I personally attacked you. I'm too lazy to go back and re read all of the posts in here.
Nervo19
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Do we have to have the ad hominem attacks? This was a pretty informative thread, once. It's not as if we all don't despise what happened in San Bernardino.
Let's return to making fun of and name calling Mr. & Mrs. Farook.
So, why isn't Farook's mom, who lived under their roof as they built 15 pipe bombs, being held in custody as a material witness until they find out what she knows.
Let's return to making fun of and name calling Mr. & Mrs. Farook.
So, why isn't Farook's mom, who lived under their roof as they built 15 pipe bombs, being held in custody as a material witness until they find out what she knows.
MudPie
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I'll go out on a limb here and say neither Sunni nor Shia are compatible with western civilizations. In addition to the obvious cultural differences, both provide material support to militant groups that would love nothing more than to slit each and every one of our throats (or drop a nuke on us).
One could argue that the Sunni's are far worse than the Shia and I would have to agree but only because the Sunni's are better organized and well financed.
Regardless of which side of the fence your on with this issue you can be certain of one thing... States with the strictest gun control laws will take the brunt of the forthcoming terrorist attacks.
One could argue that the Sunni's are far worse than the Shia and I would have to agree but only because the Sunni's are better organized and well financed.
Regardless of which side of the fence your on with this issue you can be certain of one thing... States with the strictest gun control laws will take the brunt of the forthcoming terrorist attacks.
Thai
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Sunni's are more likely to take the Koran literally word by word. They firmly believe that they are the true descendants of Mohammed. They have the RIGHTEOUS path which calls for a huge battle at the end of time in which they will prevail over infidels. They WANT for this battle to happen!! They are looking forward to it. Nature of the enemy. They don't care about sanctions or reputation.
Organized or not, (and they are), this is them fighting under the name of Mohammed. Shi'a are just as bad as Westerners in their eyes...they came from the in-laws of Mohammed...so, they are NOT shedding any tears for the Shi'a Muslims who are tortured or die in their path. They will gladly take on Israel or Hezbollah...same difference in Sunni's eyes!
ISIS is Sunni, Wahabi sect. Saudis are Sunni, same with Pakistan,. Iran is Shi'a, along with 67% of Iraqis.
Yes, it is not as simple as Sunnis vs. Shi'a. But, understanding the cultural and religious beliefs b/w the two is what is needed to understand what ISIS is doing.
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Thai
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Hezbollah can go toe-to-toe with Israel in recent military confrontations...back and forth. However, from other readings, Hezbollah has lots of its men killed by ISIS along the Syrian-Lebanon border. Enough that Hezbollah is backing off.
THINK about it...ISIS is organized and strong enough to push against Hezbollah...and in some eyes, beat them (badly?).
Do you guys think that they are afraid of the West or Israel mighty forces? Do you guys think that a few drone attacks will do much?
ISIS is not a few thugs. They are very powerful. Anyone who thinks otherwise need to educate themselves!
THINK about it...ISIS is organized and strong enough to push against Hezbollah...and in some eyes, beat them (badly?).
Do you guys think that they are afraid of the West or Israel mighty forces? Do you guys think that a few drone attacks will do much?
ISIS is not a few thugs. They are very powerful. Anyone who thinks otherwise need to educate themselves!
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MudPie
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I say let them kill each other and only grant refugee status to the Christians. They (Sunni/Shiites) have been going at it for 1500 years and they are not about to stop anytime soon.
Bat shit crazy.
BrianSD_42
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A less popular comment about secularism
Let's start by defining secularism as the complete separation of church and state, in particular NO RELIGIOUS LAWS and no limitations on freedoms in the name of protecting religion, eg blasphemy laws. America is a secular democratic republic.
So there are many people in America who embrace secularism. The problem comes when people reject secularism and feel oppressed by a Western secular society.
One question at hand: Is it possible for someone or a group that completely rejects secularism to live a compatible life in western society?
Christianity and Judaism have overwhelmingly embraced secularism for at least the last 100 years, both in the US and Europe. When you look at the countries in the middle East only Turkey is secular and that is fading fast.
How did Turkey become secular? Its a good question to ponder.
The answer is the Ottoman Turks ruled over the Islamic society by force and locked up or killed any members of the Turkish population who did not accept the government's secular ways. There were always religiously conservative people in Turkey who did not want secularism but the Ottoman Turks banned them from government, shut down radical Mosques, and locked up or killed religious agitators. They also passed harsh laws against public expression of religion such as wearing a face covering. A key take away is that Turkey's secularism wasn't democratic, it was by force of arms and government regulation.
What about the other countries in the middle East? I don't see a lot of secularism out there. The middle East for the most part is still deciding it's future. Will it be secular or religious? The question is far from settled.
Let's start by defining secularism as the complete separation of church and state, in particular NO RELIGIOUS LAWS and no limitations on freedoms in the name of protecting religion, eg blasphemy laws. America is a secular democratic republic.
So there are many people in America who embrace secularism. The problem comes when people reject secularism and feel oppressed by a Western secular society.
One question at hand: Is it possible for someone or a group that completely rejects secularism to live a compatible life in western society?
Christianity and Judaism have overwhelmingly embraced secularism for at least the last 100 years, both in the US and Europe. When you look at the countries in the middle East only Turkey is secular and that is fading fast.
How did Turkey become secular? Its a good question to ponder.
The answer is the Ottoman Turks ruled over the Islamic society by force and locked up or killed any members of the Turkish population who did not accept the government's secular ways. There were always religiously conservative people in Turkey who did not want secularism but the Ottoman Turks banned them from government, shut down radical Mosques, and locked up or killed religious agitators. They also passed harsh laws against public expression of religion such as wearing a face covering. A key take away is that Turkey's secularism wasn't democratic, it was by force of arms and government regulation.
What about the other countries in the middle East? I don't see a lot of secularism out there. The middle East for the most part is still deciding it's future. Will it be secular or religious? The question is far from settled.
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BrianSD_42
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http://www.nytimes.com/politics/fir...-calls-for-banning-muslims-from-entering-u-s/
I definitely cannot support this. You cannot ban a person simply for what family they were born into. Like Judaism, Islam is something people are born into, not just converted. You cannot ban people for being born a certain way.
It is deeply deeply wrong. To criticize a set of religious practices is one thing. To ban an entire people is completely different and wrong.
In fact Trump is making moderate discussion about certain problematic issues with religion impossible because the debate shifts to being for or against a people. No one should be against a people.
I was surprised he didn't call for a ban of all immigration from countries that are known sponsors of terrorism and countries where the US or our allies are actively in military campaigns against.
I definitely cannot support this. You cannot ban a person simply for what family they were born into. Like Judaism, Islam is something people are born into, not just converted. You cannot ban people for being born a certain way.
It is deeply deeply wrong. To criticize a set of religious practices is one thing. To ban an entire people is completely different and wrong.
In fact Trump is making moderate discussion about certain problematic issues with religion impossible because the debate shifts to being for or against a people. No one should be against a people.
I was surprised he didn't call for a ban of all immigration from countries that are known sponsors of terrorism and countries where the US or our allies are actively in military campaigns against.
T4R2014
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You seem to generalize all of them as wanting to kill each other. But yes, let's just grant refugee status to people of only one religion while leaving the rest to suffer. Sounds like a very American plan.
MudPie
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Yes, I believe that is an accurate observation about my comment.
They have no desire to integrate into western culture so let them stay. I would rather they kill each other over there than bring that shit stateside.
flighht2k5
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USNA91
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I say we simply slam the door on ALL immigration. Period. Then round up the illegals and deport them. ALL of them.
Give us 75 years to assimilate who we have here, then consider reopening the doors. Let the rest of the world choke on the garbage they have been sending us lately.
And yes, my parents immigrated here. Legally. They learned the language, worked legally, never took a penny of welfare of any kind. Produced two kids who served there country and have paid more in than they've gotten out.
Sadly, a gross minority of immigrants seem to do that anymore. Let's give those that are already here legally that chance. The rest? Go ask the Chinese for asylum.
Oh, and if you're one of those who despise this country as racist or oppressive? Free one-way flights to Uganda or North Korea! Your choice!
I'm so sick of these "The American way is to bend over and take it from the rest of the world while proclaiming what a shit country this is!" types.
Give us 75 years to assimilate who we have here, then consider reopening the doors. Let the rest of the world choke on the garbage they have been sending us lately.
And yes, my parents immigrated here. Legally. They learned the language, worked legally, never took a penny of welfare of any kind. Produced two kids who served there country and have paid more in than they've gotten out.
Sadly, a gross minority of immigrants seem to do that anymore. Let's give those that are already here legally that chance. The rest? Go ask the Chinese for asylum.
Oh, and if you're one of those who despise this country as racist or oppressive? Free one-way flights to Uganda or North Korea! Your choice!
I'm so sick of these "The American way is to bend over and take it from the rest of the world while proclaiming what a shit country this is!" types.
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