Saving for the future.

Put at least 20% away of net income in savings. Once a certain fiscal target number is hit for emergencies, then invest it. Look at the janitor who died with $8 million to his name. He invested for the long run and for the most part very wisely.

Get off Facebook.

If one has a hobby in which money can be made, start a business and use such as a tax shelter to some degree.

That poor bastard. I'd die again knowing I left $8 million on the table......

On a serious note, this is always a struggle for me. Live for today or sea for tomorrow, and what's a good balance between the two. I've always had a very clear picture that you can't take it with you when you die, so why die with massive amounts of leftover wealth (other than if your intent is to pass on to family/children, of course)?

I fully grasp that retirement is expensive and is something I'd like to do one day, so I save for it and prepare. I'm certainly always thinking about where the line is as far as what to save/what to spend.

This is a really thought provoking thread and thanks to the OP for posting. There really are some excellent points of discussion here.
 
I'm certainly not going to set the world on fire with my savings and investments, but I feel like I'm doing an OK job. I also feel like I don't live above my means. Many people think that (or think I have way more money than I do) because I'm always going on trips and buying toys for myself. But the reality is that I'm definitely not. I just prioritize where and what I spend my money on. I have no kids and no plans for any. As well as I feel just fine spending money here or there on my Runner as it's completely paid off, wasn't much to begin with and something I use as my DD.

this is similar to how I am. I make a modest living. however all of my vehicles are paid for(last payment on the 4runner 2 weeks ago) and live in a poor neighborhood, in a tiny little house. I have little to no credit card debt, though im in the process of getting a zero interest loan off my credit card for a somewhat of emergency/unexpected tire purchase. but that will be paid off within 12 months. long before the interest starts up.

we have a bit in an IRA, very little in personal savings account, and some cash on hand. though we do have some silver and a "couple bullets" laying around.

I understand this question is more in regards to sudden job loss or injury, and financial planning. but "end of days" type preparation applies as well, think natural disaster, flood earthquake. like altering types of things. we are fairly prepared for that as well....



Most people, as they get older, tend to become more fiscally conservative, hoarding every penny for the golden day of retirement. As a penny pincher myself I get so much enjoyment though from big tires, isolated wilderness and rubber on a gravel road. That's more valuable to me than a hefty bank balance.
oh, I love that sound. slowly rolling down a gravel road, listening the crunch and grind of the gravel. love it!
 
I've always had a very clear picture that you can't take it with you when you die, so why die with massive amounts of leftover wealth (other than if your intent is to pass on to family/children, of course)?

That's a point of disagreement between my wife & myself. She wants to leave something for our kids but I don't feel the same. We've raised them, given them gifts to help buy houses, provided them with college educations, etc and figure they are able to care for themselves and don't need any more cash from us. If it happens, good for them. If we live beyond our money it'll be payback time. The nice thing is my kids agree with me. That's all the evidence I need to tell me that we raised a couple good kids.
 
That's a point of disagreement between my wife & myself. She wants to leave something for our kids but I don't feel the same. We've raised them, given them gifts to help buy houses, provided them with college educations, etc and figure they are able to care for themselves and don't need any more cash from us. If it happens, good for them. If we live beyond our money it'll be payback time. The nice thing is my kids agree with me. That's all the evidence I need to tell me that we raised a couple good kids.

Those are the best gifts you can give. Sounds a lot like my parents. Teach a man to fish, so to speak.
I'm constantly grateful for the job they did raising me and encourage them to go live it up. I'm good to go on my own and don't need "inheritances" from them. I'd rather they enjoy it and live life well while they can, as I intend to also.
 
"...how ready are you to handle an emergency expense, rainy day fund or retirement?

Very well-positioned for an emergency, to include the outlying catastrophic circumstances, and I have a structured ‘go-to-Hell’ financial plan well-resourced. And…yeh…life has kicked me hard-in-the-ballz a few times along the way.

And Come six-twenty-six-twenty-twenty-six (6/26/2026 - I do have logic behind this chosen date :)) I’m out of the race at the age of 62, full-stop. My plan to bail at that age will not require me to tap SS until the age of 70 should I so choose, I’ll self-fund until I apply (I have never relied upon SS as part of my financial modeling for a host of reasons but if the money I was forced to contribute over the decades is there…that’s gravy).

There’s two things I’ve always scratched my head about when it comes to people and specifically, fellow Americans. The first is the constant degradation of society and collective and individual behaviors we exhibit that seem to get rewarded since the 60’s (“its ok, or good even, to be an obnoxious, selfish f***-head in everything we do these days versus tracking towards the greater good.” – Topic for another thread). The second, I’m stunned at the absolute ignorance, carelessness and extremely poor financial management capabilities that the greater percentage of individuals wallow in. It blows my mind when I read the statistics (pick any) and observe financial behaviors in-practice. I just ask myself “how can one be so foolish and make such poor decisions, or make no decisions, and not control their destiny?”

In 1984 I showed-up on the door-step of Fort Dix New Jersey with $17 in my pocket and the clothes on my back. A little over 3 decades later I can write the above, I feel pretty good about that. No magic to it. I sold my soul, busted my ass (still doing both of those things), made sacrifices, made some mistakes, made some good career & life decisions, etc. but the one specific thing I did do at an early age was educate myself about managing financials and building wealth. I can’t emphasize that enough, and that education never stops. Every day I make it a point to learn something, revisit something, monitor something that either protects or improves my net wealth. Not fanatical, no rash moves or shifts in position, just step-improve every day.

I’m not going to lay out what I do or what others should do, doesn’t matter as everyone’s circumstances are unique, but the bottom-line is the fundamentals under-pinning building wealth never change. Apply them, “toss in some financial management finesse” as the world ebbs-n-flows year-over-year, use common-sense and sound decision-making and as was said earlier in this thread…be in it for the long-haul. You don’t have to start rich, you don’t have to make huge money (that certainly helps), you don’t have to hope for a wind-fall, just be plan-full, consistent and well-informed. You’ll look-up in 30 or 40 years and say…"holy-s***…I did pretty good!" Or, if not, like many you’ll look at the financial carnage around you, think about the lost opportunity/time, probably blame somebody else for your pathetic situation you are responsible for creating and shuttle-off to a job ya’ hate until the day you die.

Very good thread, glad to see this. My hope is that the younger members here take serious stock in some of what you read (and ignore s***-house lawyers everywhere) and apply it. Be financially savvy for yourself and the benefit of those you are responsible for.

I’ll never hit the 1%, I’m a workin’ dog, but I’ll never find myself where the vast majority of people slot on the scale.
 
Excellent post [MENTION=138314]No Name[/MENTION]!

I'll just suggest reconsidering taking SS at 62. My view is take what you can, it's probable it'll vanish at some point but that's just my opinion which is worth what you paid for it. ;):
 
Those are the best gifts you can give. Sounds a lot like my parents. Teach a man to fish, so to speak.
I'm constantly grateful for the job they did raising me and encourage them to go live it up. I'm good to go on my own and don't need "inheritances" from them. I'd rather they enjoy it and live life well while they can, as I intend to also.

You've shared that with them, right? Nothing's quite so satisfying as hearing that from your kids!
 
Excellent post @No Name!

I'll just suggest reconsidering taking SS at 62. My view is take what you can, it's probable it'll vanish at some point but that's just my opinion which is worth what you paid for it. ;):

I agree. get it while its there, AND while you are still able to benefit from it.
 
Just out of curiosity how much do you guys consider 'enough' for emergencies, like job loss, etc?

At the moment I've got enough that I could probably go a full year without income. I've also got a relatively small RRSP or whatever they call retirement savings accounts now. Starting to think I should be investing my money elsewhere as opposed to just saving.

Depending on where you live, having enough to survive at least 1~3 months of capital to survive without worry is not a bad start.
 
Money is a tool, most have no clue how to use this this tool. Most spend more time picking a movie than growing their investments if any.

Every car we buy we always include my sons who are now in high school to understand how to negotiate a deal.

Parents should learn to teach the next generation fiscal skills.

I bought property in So Cal in 1996, no mortgages now. I wish for 1996 pricing again so I can buy more.

Cash is king, remember when you carry dumb debt you are a bankers b i tch.
 
I'll just suggest reconsidering taking SS at 62. My view is take what you can, it's probable it'll vanish at some point but that's just my opinion which is worth what you paid for it. ;):

I keep hearing this and I don't understand why. Social Security isn't going anywhere and the AARP (with it's millions of voters) will make sure it stays that way.
 
I keep hearing this and I don't understand why. Social Security isn't going anywhere and the AARP (with it's millions of voters) will make sure it stays that way.

I expected this which is why I said it's my opinion. I'll stick with it for now but 76 million of us boomers drawing on SS & Medicare is a huge weight being supported by a relatively smaller group of workers.

I probably should have said that taking the smaller amount starting at 62 may be wiser than getting the maximum at 70 or whatever the age is now. Crunch the numbers and make your own determination. Again, it's all about how long you expect to live. If you're expecting to live to 90 you can wait, if your family history leans toward 70 you'll leave all that you paid in on the table.
 
If you are young (millennial) 10% savings rate is a solid number to start with and is what I go with. I am fortunate that my employer also offers a defined benefit pension that I do not pay for. It isn't huge but even if it ceases to exist in 30 years, I still have the lump sum value. My wife and I also save a small monthly amount into a Tax free account... It would equal about 1.5% of our earnings. She too has a DB pension and her employer matches her contributions. On top of that, we have an education fund that gets about $200/month for her son. In total, our savings rate would exceed 15%. If you exclude employer pension funds and only count personal investment accounts (including RRSP's and education) we probably have a year's worth of expenses covered.

I am not thrilled about that but in the last 2 years my wife has completed a Master's degree that we paid cash for, we got married and paid cash for it (including the diamond I bought the year prior), and bought a new house and put some money down and paid cash for all the associated new home purchases. We make very good money for our ages but I have found my perception on money has changed. When you get to a point when you can pay cash for larger purchases you almost feel poorer because of it.
 
You'll feel & be richer for it and congrats on doing so & having a nice income, etc.

My daughter still groans when she looks at what she owes for her Masters but as a teacher that's the only way to get a bigger paycheck.
 
I met a, "Rain Man" type fella while I was enlisted and he got me into investing with a tip to check out MTG and RDN back in early August of 2012 (he had just lost a good amount of money on MTG's "crash"). My wife wouldn't let me get too crazy, but I invested everything I could, and watched it grow for nearly two years when I sold on March 5th 2014, the day MTG hit my target of $9.00 that I thought I would never see.

As for education... I paid cash for my wife's education when I was enlisted in the Army, and re-enlisted for another deployment right after she got her "grown up job". I now invest that stack of tax-free deployment cash quite aggressively while going to school using the Post 9/11 GI Bill. I'm young, I'm dumb, and I wouldn't be screwed if one day I lost it all, so why not?

So far I haven't shot myself in the foot, but I do plan to lower my risk a bit when I hit 30 here in a few of years.
 
Comfortable retirement doesn't happen by accident:
- without accumulating enough savings (for chosen senior lifestyle) &/or receive family inheritance (if lucky enough)
- Two most important buying decisions EVER, over ones life time is:
a) house/property
b) vehicles
Make wise choices, or go into very long term debt / all buying decisions have consequences, good or bad !!

^^ I don't live in or drive brand new / these purchases, are made very wisely here.
- renovated 1963 brick bungalow that sits on +1.1 commercial acres / location-location-location, for investment potential
- wife drives a mint 2008 RAV4 Limited v6 while I drive a stock 2000 4Runner SR5 v6
(purchased in last year with cash / equals no car payments)
- I buy our family vehicles private (saved $5,000 on each recent 4x4 purchases)
- I sell our older vehicles myself, and get top dollar
- my Gen3-T4R will be kept bone stock, just turned 90,000 original miles / body still rust free & drive-train runs perfect
My fun money will be in restoring my Canadian muscle car, a rare 1967 Beaumont Sport Deluxe (396-350HP/M21/411's).

Regarding tools, my dad some 50 years ago said - "purchase quality and buy it once".
Now we live in a disposable society, & its rather difficult to purchase appliances, that aren't junk by the time the warranty runs out.
- in the home, we love are trouble free Bosch Appliances / and small kitchen stuff, by Breville
- washer & dryer, can't beat Commercial Speed Queen, like used in laundry-marts (aka Huebsch in Canada)

Went it comes to vehicle repairs, I source my own parts / my garage friend supplies his top mechanic.
- just did the rear brakes on wife's RAV4 with drilled & slotted G-3500 grey iron premium rotors with ceramic pads
- my parts & indepentant labor, totaled $300 complete / over a $1,000 rear brake job, at Toyota dealer...I always avoid

^^ Lots of ways to save easy money sometimes & don't always have to get your hands dirty.
- be smart & calculating in decisions that involve spending hard earned money & enjoy the process
[the proper research & hunt for the deal (new or used), does pays off...treat it like a rewarding job]


Not everyone can drive used vehicles / and late last year our son needed a luxury SUV, for business-work.
- we went into $$ negotiations as a skillful team, on his brand new 2015 Lexus RX350 v6 AWD purchase
- in the end, he saved 13.3% off MSRP / even purchased the Lexus, $40 per month cheaper than the same one leased
- it took Dad some 7 weeks to sell his older 2008 Nissan Rogue, privately off our front lawn
- I detailed it myself (hand wax, tires changed, E-test, safety check) / sold for ~$5,000 over normal trade-in-dealership level
 
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I expected this which is why I said it's my opinion. I'll stick with it for now but 76 million of us boomers drawing on SS & Medicare is a huge weight being supported by a relatively smaller group of workers.

I get that and respect your decision. I'm 61 and have been thinking a lot about this.

One thing that concerns me is rules on how much you are allowed to make outside of social security once you elect to start taking it. My parents died young and I've no reason to expect I'll live any longer than they did but I don't want to see my investment income go to waste if I elect to draw SS too early.

I've put in a call to my CPA. Anxious to hear what he says.
 
Sounds like our situations are similar, both my wife and I come from parents that died young. While not a guarantee we will too it's foolish to assume the actuarial lifespan numbers apply to us. We only get one life and spending it working towards an unrealistic age expectancy isn't sensible.

SS rules are often hard to understand but here's some info: https://www.ssa.gov/planners/retire/whileworking.html

Let us know what your CPA has to say.
 

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