Shifter Issue

wutagoalie

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To day i went to change the rear diff fluid in my 03 limited. I took it for a drive for a few miles to warm up the fluid before i drained it. Also, in the drive way i made sure i shifted through all the gears. When i shifted down to #2 and 2 Lo, it was very tight, then something released. Now when i shift back up to 4, it will stay in 4 but is very loose and wont snap into 4LO. Does this make sense?

I just notice now that there is a lot of play in the shifter knob.

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Changing your rear differential fluid will not affect your shifter. Also 2HI, 4Hi, and 4LO are done through the transfer case and use an electronic actuator. While the shift ranges are physically actuated via cable from your shifter to the transmission.

I am not exactly sure what you are describing, but if you are having binding in the shifter, it could be that fluids and gunk have built up on the mechanism, pop off the cover and see if you see a ton of crap there. You may need to partially dissassemble the shifter to get it nice and clean. Another possibility is a binding cable, or some sort of issue with the shifting mechanism on the actual trans.
 
Changing your rear differential fluid will not affect your shifter. Also 2HI, 4Hi, and 4LO are done through the transfer case and use an electronic actuator. While the shift ranges are physically actuated via cable from your shifter to the transmission.

I am not exactly sure what you are describing, but if you are having binding in the shifter, it could be that fluids and gunk have built up on the mechanism, pop off the cover and see if you see a ton of crap there. You may need to partially dissassemble the shifter to get it nice and clean. Another possibility is a binding cable, or some sort of issue with the shifting mechanism on the actual trans.

Thats what i might have to do, is take it apart. Basically "D" and "4" are side by side as far as the shifter goes. Usually we drive in "D" , now if i were to shift to the left, to put it into "4", it should snap into place and stay there. My shifter just loosely flops around, and stays in "D".
 
now if i were to shift to the left, to put it into "4", it should snap into place and stay there. My shifter just loosely flops around, and stays in "D".

Sounds like the mechanism or switch inside the cabin is broken. If I remember correctly, when going from D to 4 the cable stays stationary and its just a switch that electronically "shifts" the transmission. But I agree with BlackWorks suggestions for your shifter being stiff.
 
I took apart the center console, and partially disassembled the Shifter assembly. What i saw causing the looseness in the shifter knob was a metal pin that sits on a spring loaded mechanism, which had fallen out of the cup that it sits in. I had placed this pin back inside, but it had popped back out very quickly.

Is anyone familiar with this problem, or knows a fix for this?

If not i will try and take some pics and post them.

Thanks
 
After messing around for a couple of days. With the center console removed, there is a black shift box that holds all the shifter mechanisms. Once i removed the cover. Located on the shifter lever bar is a small plastic holder that supports a spring loaded locking pin. What this pin will do is lock into place when shifting from 4 to D. The small tubular tunnel that holds the spring and pin in place was cracked and worn out on the one side.

So when i were to shift, instead of this pin sliding up and down freely, it would bind up sideways, because of the extra play from the crack. Out side of replacing the entire shifting kit, im not sure what i can doctor up to fix this. Right now im running with no pin, everything works fine, just the feeling of a loose shifter bugs the hell out of me.
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Damn, the thing that JB posted the thread to just happened to me. The annoying part is I tow a boat sometimes, so I need to use 4 not D, so I have to rubber-band it for now. I lost the pin trying to reassemble the shift box, it dropped down into the nether regions. Even if I can fabricate some sort of replacement, I'm going to need to make a dozen because that's how many tries it's going to take to get the lid back on without the pin popping out and getting lost. I spent 4 hours last night trying it with a small machine screw and it was a nightmare.
 
Damn, the thing that JB posted the thread to just happened to me. The annoying part is I tow a boat sometimes, so I need to use 4 not D, so I have to rubber-band it for now. I lost the pin trying to reassemble the shift box, it dropped down into the nether regions. Even if I can fabricate some sort of replacement, I'm going to need to make a dozen because that's how many tries it's going to take to get the lid back on without the pin popping out and getting lost. I spent 4 hours last night trying it with a small machine screw and it was a nightmare.

Let me know if you find a solution
 
Will do. I'm going to get a used shifter in a week or two, then take it apart on my workbench. Based on what I saw and had happen when I was screwing with it all in the truck for 3 hours, I can't come up with a way to reassemble everything without the pin falling out before I can get the cover back on (even if I had the pin, which I no longer do).

My plan is to devise a reassembly strategy on the workbench, then take the pin from the donor shifter along with whatever spring modifications I make, and apply it to my shifter. I'll also make sure to take measurements of the pin and I'm also going to see if it's possible to substitute something else.

One thing I do know is you don't want to cut the spring like the guy in the 120 forums suggested. If you look at how the spring is constructed (and most springs, and a Slinky too), it's wound tighter at the ends than at the middle. After it's cut, it "pokes out" and this causes it to bind up inside of the black hole that everything sits in.

Since I tow and need "4", I had my wife make a sock thing that fits over the shifter, with a strap connected to a bag of fishing lead. This hangs down the side of the console and I put it on the shifter when I need to lock it in "4".

For everyone who hasn't had this problem, I'd recommend shifting through all the gears every so often, as I'm almost certain this problem is caused by the lithium grease drying out.
 
Will do. I'm going to get a used shifter in a week or two, then take it apart on my workbench. Based on what I saw and had happen when I was screwing with it all in the truck for 3 hours, I can't come up with a way to reassemble everything without the pin falling out before I can get the cover back on (even if I had the pin, which I no longer do).

My plan is to devise a reassembly strategy on the workbench, then take the pin from the donor shifter along with whatever spring modifications I make, and apply it to my shifter. I'll also make sure to take measurements of the pin and I'm also going to see if it's possible to substitute something else.

One thing I do know is you don't want to cut the spring like the guy in the 120 forums suggested. If you look at how the spring is constructed (and most springs, and a Slinky too), it's wound tighter at the ends than at the middle. After it's cut, it "pokes out" and this causes it to bind up inside of the black hole that everything sits in.

Since I tow and need "4", I had my wife make a sock thing that fits over the shifter, with a strap connected to a bag of fishing lead. This hangs down the side of the console and I put it on the shifter when I need to lock it in "4".

For everyone who hasn't had this problem, I'd recommend shifting through all the gears every so often, as I'm almost certain this problem is caused by the lithium grease drying out.
Any Luck yet?

:hungry:
 
any updates? How easy are used shifters to find??

When I first posted the idea, there were a half dozen out there for around $60. Now that I've got my stuff together ready to do the project, the cheapest one I am finding is over $100. Once I see one come up for $50-75 again, I'll pick it up and _finally_ get started.

-E
 

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