Should he have used the locker?

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kevy511 said:
I'm always curious what would be the best way to navigate certain terrain challenges. This guy did a good job getting the 4R out of that stuff...would you have used the locker ? hope the link works

FULL VIDEO: 2014 Toyota 4Runner Snowy Icy Off-Road Review on Everyman Driver - YouTube
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Too long, didn't watch the whole thing. What I looked at, the locker may have helped, but that's ignoring the #1 Problem - if you want to drive off-road, get some tires that are designed for it, not street tires.

One more additional comment - that video is a text book example of how people get water in their rear diffs. Odds are high that he got water in their if he didn't have the rear diff breather mod.

David
 
I agree, tires would have been very helpful for him. Also, caution. I feel like if he knew the area, he should have been aware of creeks or places where melt accumulates. I'm not impressed by the amount of damage he (probably) did to the trail, if there is one. He seemed to be driving a bit recklessly and unaware of potential hazards. These are just my opinions.
 
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Pretty obvious he had no idea where he was going. Tires can't fix stupid. He went pretty far though, nothing runs like a rental/loaner!
 
Considering that this guy has terrain selector still on mogul mode and stock tires I'm really proud of 4Runner : ) Rear locker wouldn't hurt but the most important are tires, if all 4 wheels lost traction locker wouldn't help.
 
Canazes9 said:
One more additional comment - that video is a text book example of how people get water in their rear diffs. Odds are high that he got water in their if he didn't have the rear diff breather mod.

David
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I doubt he got water in the diff, as far as I know you'll need to leave truck in the water for an hour so to get water in it. In this case if he had diff breather mod he might get breather pipe cut by chunk of ice and have diff full of water for real, but depends on how mod's done of course.
 
Bourbonator said:
I agree, tires would have been very helpful for him. Also, caution. I feel like if he knew the area, he should have been aware of creeks or places where melt accumulates. I'm not impressed by the amount of damage he (probably) did to the trail, if there is one. He seemed to be driving a bit recklessly and unaware of potential hazards. These are just my opinions.
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It sounds like he did know the area. He said he was going to cross a frozen pond. His mistake was stopping on a frozen pond. It sounds like he was in an OHV park, but that's no excuse. I agree with the reckless driving. When he was going down the snowy hill he was using his brakes and you could see his wheels locking up. Should've used sport shift and compression braking to maintain better control - can't steer when the wheels are locked. Also the part where he takes both hands off the wheel made me cringe.

adam2562 said:
should have just used Atrac
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He had the multi-terrain select on, which uses ATRAC. You can actually hear the ATRAC going off. He should've used less skinny pedal. I don't think anything short of studded tires would've gotten him out easily.

scanny said:
I doubt he got water in the diff, as far as I know you'll need to leave truck in the water for an hour so to get water in it. In this case if he had diff breather mod he might get breather pipe cut by chunk of ice and have diff full of water for real, but depends on how mod's done of course.
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That's incorrect. A hot diff in cold water will suck water in, even through through the seals.
 
Intruder said:
That's incorrect. A hot diff in cold water will suck water in, even through through the seals.
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Yup, especially freezy water. The cold water cools the gear oil rapidly, and as the oil cools it creates a vacuum. If you don't have a clear breather above water level, the vacuum will suck water instead.
 
That's what happens when you go drive like you see people driving on commercials.

Also, armor and tires.

I've gone thru crap like that in my Land Cruiser before:

too dumb, too fast, wrong tires, no breathers.

I'm guessing he will be at his Toyota dealer in 5k miles with a chattering diff (maybe even transfer case and transmission).
 
scanny said:
I doubt he got water in the diff, as far as I know you'll need to leave truck in the water for an hour so to get water in it. In this case if he had diff breather mod he might get breather pipe cut by chunk of ice and have diff full of water for real, but depends on how mod's done of course.
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Scanny,

As [MENTION=66300]Intruder[/MENTION] and [MENTION=49649]KidVermicious[/MENTION] already stated, it's the temp difference between a warm diff and cool water that most often causes the problem. The rear diff comes with a one way breather that lets it vent when it gets hot, but won't allow it to suck back in when it's cooled. The seals are the weak point and the rear diff does NOT have to be submersed to get water sucked into the seals - the strong vacuum created is more than sufficient. If the rear diff breather is done right it's tucked up out of the way, made of heavy duty, highly resilient fuel line and secured with hose clamps. I have never heard of a properly done rear diff breather to get damaged off roading.

David
 
Tires needed for sure. He used too much power and did not stop to evaluate the situation, he just kept hitting the power. Maybe a little panic? Try the locker, full ATRAC or Crawl Control?

As Ron White said "You can`t fix stupid".
Or Bill Engval "Here`s your sign".

:withstupid:
 
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I here what you guys are saying..the Dude may not have handled the runner in the right way. However, anyone can get stuck. He used the old school way to get out. As a matter of fact, although I could not see the wide angle of the area I did not think it was such a challenge for the runner. I'v seen this truck in other videos handle terrain I would not think of trying. "Reckless" for a crossover mall hopper yes, for the 4R not so much. Although one should not be abusive and drive dangerously this vehicle has the reputation of being a tough, rugged and reliable. That's why I have this truck in the first place. If it's not, might as well get a Jeep Grand Cherokee for a better ride, interior and additional gearing.

This vehicle has so many ways to spin or not to spin the wheels (atrac locker multi terrain) that it make my head spin:noidea:
 
".... And now I'm going to cross what used to be a pond... and I'm sure it still is. Boy."

30 seconds later, "Where'd that come from?!"

And... a few minutes later, "I have NEVER come across this before."
 
3wbdriver said:
I'd also like to have seen the front end after he played battering ram with it for 5 minutes to get out.
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Yea, I'm sure he left more than just a GoPro in that hole.

I pulled a 1st gen Taco out of a similar situation last year, and he left behind a bunch of plastic pieces. He managed to break through with his tires, and was sitting on his frame on top of the ice, there was no way he could get out.

I'm glad he did, because I would have been in the same stuck. I had driven over the same ice the day before, with a much heavier vehicle.
 
kevy511 said:
I here what you guys are saying..the Dude may not have handled the runner in the right way. However, anyone can get stuck. He used the old school way to get out. As a matter of fact, although I could not see the wide angle of the area I did not think it was such a challenge for the runner. I'v seen this truck in other videos handle terrain I would not think of trying. "Reckless" for a crossover mall hopper yes, for the 4R not so much. Although one should not be abusive and drive dangerously this vehicle has the reputation of being a tough, rugged and reliable. That's why I have this truck in the first place. If it's not, might as well get a Jeep Grand Cherokee for a better ride, interior and additional gearing.

This vehicle has so many ways to spin or not to spin the wheels (atrac locker multi terrain) that it make my head spin:noidea:
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How terrain looks can be very deceptive; usually the worst stucks happen in places you wouldn't expect.

This guy got a little stuck, panicked, and did nothing but mash the gas. He was going to get out that way, eventually, just had to break enough ice to have enough room to get enough momentum. He was lucky it wasn't deep mud , he would have spun his tires until his frame was buried, making extraction much more difficult.

When you get stuck, stop, calm down, assess the situation and come up with a plan or two.

He might have gotten out by engaging the locker, driving forward to break some ice, then get a little momentum to back out. If that didn't work, he should be calling his buddies (or a wrecker) to pull him out. Tearing up streams like he was doing is what gets trails and OHV areas closed down.
 
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