Shouldn't I have more Rake?

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Zhehan

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So, in June I installed some new OME 891 springs in the rear of my 2000 4Runner SR5. There is also a 10mm OME Trim Packer and the stock upper coil isolators with the center cones cut off on each side. They are mated with OME 60027 shocks. I got the 891s because of loaded camping with a 4-bike hitch mounted carrier.

The front is a Tundra TRD Spring/Bilstein 5100 combo. These have been on the truck for 13 years, so it's had time to settle. I keep the rubber bushings conditioned with ATP AT-205 Re-Seal. The shocks aren't leaking and everything still feels pretty great, especially with all the work I did recently. I replaced the LCA bushings with Whiteline, replaced the LBJs and installed the JBA UCAs. It's had an alignment done and everything is where it's supposed to be.

I have a hitch in the rear, a full size 285/75 spare on the stock 16" steel wheel and a single 10" sub in a 28lb. box. It sits behind the driver's side rear seat. I have a toolkit that weighs about 10lbs. sitting next to it on the passenger side.

Stock bumpers F/R.

It's ~22.5" from hub center to the bottom of the Bushwhacker flare in front. The rear sits about 1/2"-5/8" higher. I know every truck is different, blah-blah-blah. Am I expecting too much from the 891s? I expected them to deliver more rake.

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Zhehan said:
So, in June I installed some new OME 891 springs in the rear of my 2000 4Runner SR5. There is also a 10mm OME Trim Packer and the stock upper coil isolators with the center cones cut off on each side. They are mated with OME 60027 shocks. I got the 891s because of loaded camping with a 4-bike hitch mounted carrier.

The front is a Tundra TRD Spring/Bilstein 5100 combo. These have been on the truck for 13 years, so it's had time to settle. I keep the rubber bushings conditioned with ATP AT-205 Re-Seal. The shocks aren't leaking and everything still feels pretty great, especially with all the work I did recently. I replaced the LCA bushings with Whiteline, replaced the LBJs and installed the JBA UCAs. It's had an alignment done and everything is where it's supposed to be.

I have a hitch in the rear, a full size 285/75 spare on the stock 16" steel wheel and a single 10" sub in a 28lb. box. It sits behind the driver's side rear seat. I have a toolkit that weighs about 10lbs. sitting next to it on the passenger side.

Stock bumpers F/R.

It's ~22.5" from hub center to the bottom of the Bushwhacker flare in front. The rear sits about 1/2"-5/8" higher. I know every truck is different, blah-blah-blah. Am I expecting too much from the 891s? I expected them to deliver more rake.

Vehicle info in signature, picture below for reference:

uc
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OEM ride heights varied among the years, but generally speaking most lift amounts are based on about 20.5 inch hub to fender height. So based on the 20.5 inch average hub to fender ride height I would say you have a normal amount of lift in the rear from 891 springs.
 
Thanks. I will probably replace the suspension next Summer. Probably go with Dobinsons at this point.

EDIT: I miss my old Downey Off-road 3" springs... They had sagged and needed replacing. 891s seemed like the right choice at the time.
 
Zhehan said:
Thanks. I will probably replace the suspension next Summer. Probably go with Dobinsons at this point.

EDIT: I miss my old Downey Off-road 3" springs... They had sagged and needed replacing. 891s seemed like the right choice at the time.
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I have 890s and within 50k miles they were shot. I’m going with the toytec HD springs next


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You could always do LC80 springs in the rear. Those will definitely achieve high lift numbers as well as provide your truck with a good bit of rake, especially when new. I've had them in the rear of my truck since 2014 and they still give my truck some rake, although they have settled a lot over the years with carrying lots of stuff in the back. They perform great and aren't excessive in my opinion, but of course, that is MY opinion. Ymmv.

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what c-clip are you using with the 5100s? Also are they tundra 5100s or 4runner specific? Just trying to figure out how to set up my tundra 5100s/trd coils by asking about other peoples set ups...

TIA :beer:
 
If you really want some more rake, even though I think yours looks good, you can use a Whiteline W73410 spacer/trim packer. (i believe that's the Part #)
It's from an 80 series cruiser for the front but it fits on our rear coils. They're 20MM instead of the OME 10mm, I used one on my driver side to fix the lean. They take a little squeezing to fit on-top of the coil but they work really well.
 
JoeT4R said:
You could always do LC80 springs in the rear. Those will definitely achieve high lift numbers as well as provide your truck with a good bit of rake, especially when new. I've had them in the rear of my truck since 2014 and they still give my truck some rake, although they have settled a lot over the years with carrying lots of stuff in the back. They perform great and aren't excessive in my opinion, but of course, that is MY opinion. Ymmv.

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Thanks, I appreciate the input. Which version do I want for loaded stuff? The 7.5 or 8 wrap coils? Do I want different coils for DS/PS?

jrm said:
what c-clip are you using with the 5100s? Also are they tundra 5100s or 4runner specific? Just trying to figure out how to set up my tundra 5100s/trd coils by asking about other peoples set ups...

TIA :beer:
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Hi. I have the original Tundra-specific 5100/TRD Tundra coils set on the 2nd perch from the bottom. These have 5 positions.

Storm01 said:
If you really want some more rake, even though I think yours looks good, you can use a Whiteline W73410 spacer/trim packer. (i believe that's the Part #)
It's from an 80 series cruiser for the front but it fits on our rear coils. They're 20MM instead of the OME 10mm, I used one on my driver side to fix the lean. They take a little squeezing to fit on-top of the coil but they work really well.
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Thanks for the tip! I appreciate it. That just might be the ticket. If I use the bottle jack to push the axle down, I can probably get those 20mm spacers in there without too much effort.

Before my Downey Off-Road 3" coils sagged after many miles of hard use, I had 1"+ of rake and I'm just used to seeing it that way. Those were the best springs I've had on this truck so far. I loaded up the truck for an outdoor wedding that I catered/officiated for my son, with the 891s and they held a full backend of stuff, with the seats folded down and full of stuff as well. I'll see how they do over the next year or so and figure out where I want to go at that point.

Thanks again all!
 
Did freshening up the front end and installing the JBA arms bring the front up a bunch? maybe that’s why it doesn’t seem like it has such a rake now?
 
Romeo1 said:
Did freshening up the front end and installing the JBA arms bring the front up a bunch? maybe that’s why it doesn’t seem like it has such a rake now?
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The front end is pretty much where it has always been. Freshening up the front end did wonders for handling, comfort and steering precision, however. The Downey coils, before they sagged, were simply taller than the 891s.

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The real question here is how did you get it to 285/ 75/ 16 spare to fit under there?
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I took out the upper metal strips that the OEM spare tire rests on. I don't fully inflate the spare since I carry a compressor. That helps quite a bit, actually. Also, I trimmed a lip off the interior of the hitch receiver. I never tow anything. I only use the hitch to carry my bikes. So, it wasn't going to cause a structural issue. I hoist up the spare with the carrier and wedge it between the upper crossmember and the inside of the hitch. Remember, don't fully inflate the tire and it will be squishy enough to compress it.

I have an old pic for illustrative purposes of the parts I removed:

See that little box protruding from the inside of the hitch? I cut that off.

uc
 
Storm01 said:
If you really want some more rake, even though I think yours looks good, you can use a Whiteline W73410 spacer/trim packer. (i believe that's the Part #)
It's from an 80 series cruiser for the front but it fits on our rear coils. They're 20MM instead of the OME 10mm, I used one on my driver side to fix the lean. They take a little squeezing to fit on-top of the coil but they work really well.
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Revisiting this:

The W73410 isn't available in the US. This part #W73420 is and it is the correct part number for the FZJ80. W73420 Whiteline Spring - pad bushing
– Whiteline USA

Cheers!
 
What do you know, here they are for sale on T4R for $85 shipped. Can't beat that!

https://www.toyota-4runner.org/for-sale-suspension-wheels-tires/307206-lc-7-5-wraps-$100-shipped-ky.html
 
Zhehan said:
The front end is pretty much where it has always been. Freshening up the front end did wonders for handling, comfort and steering precision, however. The Downey coils, before they sagged, were simply taller than the 891s.



I took out the upper metal strips that the OEM spare tire rests on. I don't fully inflate the spare since I carry a compressor. That helps quite a bit, actually. Also, I trimmed a lip off the interior of the hitch receiver. I never tow anything. I only use the hitch to carry my bikes. So, it wasn't going to cause a structural issue. I hoist up the spare with the carrier and wedge it between the upper crossmember and the inside of the hitch. Remember, don't fully inflate the tire and it will be squishy enough to compress it.

I have an old pic for illustrative purposes of the parts I removed:

See that little box protruding from the inside of the hitch? I cut that off.

uc
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Very interesting. Thanks for the photos! My spare (inflated) takes some jockeying to get into he right spot on the tread blocks.

That’s cool you can fit a 33”. I keep wanting to get a bumper with a swing out until I start think about how in the way the swing out it’s going to be most of the time and how heavy the bumper will be.
 
For what it’s worth, Not that it helps your situation at all, but I get a really healthy amount of rake with my ome 2890 Springs. Even with a cooler, all the recovery, full of guns and everything.

Way more lift than the 2906. I wonder if the 861 would help you?
 
Zhehan said:
Revisiting this:

The W73410 isn't available in the US. This part #W73420 is and it is the correct part number for the FZJ80. W73420 Whiteline Spring - pad bushing
– Whiteline USA

Cheers!
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Ah, yeah. You’re right. I couldn’t remember if it was 410 or 420.. my bad haha. But yes, THAT ONE will work with the rears on the 3rd gen. Just don’t bust your nose like I did trying to get the damn thing in with a prybar. lol.
 
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And, Scene.

Thanks to everyone who contributed thoughts, experience and information to this thread. I really appreciate it. The wife and I just got back from a 2-day trip through the Tillamook Forest to the coast and back to celebrate our 21 years together. We spent a lot of time in this vehicle, but it had sat for a few years due to it needing the refresh I recently did to it. It was a nostalgic run. My wife even suggested the trip herself!

This was a good shakedown run for the current build of the 4Runner. We weren't heavily loaded, just a duffle bag for our clothes, small cooler for snacks and water, hi-lift jack, shovel, tools, other odds and ends, plus 2 humans. It was a fun trip.

I'm used to how the truck sits now, and the wife even called it "sexy". So, I probably shouldn't mess with it. ;-)

At any rate, I'm going to leave things as-is until next year and most likely swap out the current setup for a Dobinsons IMS.

Cheers!

Gratuitous shot from the trip:

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