RPS99SHO
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Only if Ford adds port injectors to supplement the direct injectors.
Sixth Gen Explorer - 4Runner Competition?
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Only if Ford adds port injectors to supplement the direct injectors.
Also Santa Fe, Atlas, Ascent, XC90, Pathfinder, CX9, Durango, Grand Cherokee, and what else everyone buys nowadays.
I would pick Santa Fe, Pilot, or XC90 out of that depending on price point.
Only upcoming competition to 4Runner will be Bronco.
Friggin Idiot
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But they're turbo'ed small engines, so at what RPM are you really seeing those numbers? I'm willing to bet most people will never break 3500rpm on an engine. If they're over 60 and living in Florida it's 2000rpm!
I'd think you would be surprised. Modern turbo motors are nothing like turbo motors of the past. When not chasing absolute peak numbers you can see peak torque number well below 3000rpm. I used to really be into VW's back in my teen years. When VW came out with their 1.8T motor, peak torque hit at 2250 rpm and stayed flat till 5000rpm.
WAT4R
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Yep... just give 'em a couple years to work out the new model kinks.
RockyMountain
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Improvements
300hp out of a 4cyl is indeed impressive! My first car was a '96 Explorer which had a 5.0L V8 and if I remember correctly it only put out 210hp.
blanchard7684
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Its a cool upgrade to the Explorer. Its a rear drive competitor to the Highlander.
I had a 14 explorer and even with rear drive and like 1/2 inch more ground clearance, they have made it more off road worthy incrementally, but no way that is competitive with all aspects of the 4runner.
With this upgrade, the only thing the explorer has on the 4runner is rear cargo space.
Not to mention...as someone already did...the rear cabin exhaust leak was a deal breaker for me. I'll never go back. Huge design flaw akin to the Chevy Shake (google it).
On top of it all the Chicago plant's QC is abysmal compared to other Ford plants.
I had a 14 explorer and even with rear drive and like 1/2 inch more ground clearance, they have made it more off road worthy incrementally, but no way that is competitive with all aspects of the 4runner.
With this upgrade, the only thing the explorer has on the 4runner is rear cargo space.
Not to mention...as someone already did...the rear cabin exhaust leak was a deal breaker for me. I'll never go back. Huge design flaw akin to the Chevy Shake (google it).
On top of it all the Chicago plant's QC is abysmal compared to other Ford plants.
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blanchard7684
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Thanks for posting that. That is literally an insane difference in reliability.
Jetboy
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Ever own a Mitsubishi? I did... once. They tried to sell the montero for a while. They never really competed in a meaningful way. Lower quality. Less performance. Similar price. Never really had a chance.
They are also now a unibody IFS/IRS, so I'd still put them pretty squarely in Highlander/Explorer/JeepCG category. Once they go soft they rarely come back.
Jetboy
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They should. They're essentially the same vehicle. LR still builds essentially Ford platforms. Some still have ecoboost engines.
I think they take the ford parts - then randomly damage electronic parts to make sure it'll break down more often. That's how they turn it into a Land Rover.
2016 4Runner SR5
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No solid axle, no body on frame, lower to the ground. How is this even remotely close to a 4Runner? It's ugly, ford is unreliable in general. The Exploder and 4Runner are in 2 completely different classes. The 4R is one of the last true SUV's out there while the Explorer is a large crossover.
Good news, they already have as of 2018.
There was a time that I was seriously considering replacing the 4runner with a plug-in XC60, so long as it had the air suspension. Just a little too pricey to drive a more complicated vehicle on the beach, especially if I'm keeping it for a long time.
I'm guessing you haven't driven a modern turbocharged 4 cyl. Most modern turbocharged motors favor lower RPM torque over high RPM power. My wife's '13 Mini Cooper S has gobs of torque at low RPM's, and it doesn't even have a fancy variable vane turbocharger. In fact from 0-40 mph, it's quicker than my M3, but it kind of falls on its face above 5000 rpm.
DreamsOfDirt
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I've enjoyed seeing all the responses to the thread. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't baiting this group with the original title.
I agree on many counts
The biggest risk Explorer poses to 4Runner is for consumers who want a primarily on-road vehicle with lots of creature comforts and light off road capability. The Limited trim plays to this consumer to some extent (although it's capable off road). With Explorer's ability to tow at a competitive weight now and more bells and whistles it may sway some buyers.
My hope is with the 4RUNNER 6th Gen the vehicle keeps it's off road credibility while putting enough comfort and technology into the vehicle to maintain appeal to the masses.
I agree on many counts
- The Explorer isn't body on frame
- The clearance / departure angles aren't as good as 4Runner
- Ford does have reliability issues (One of the reasons I chose my 4Runner over a Jeep was the 48% better reliability).
- Etc...
The biggest risk Explorer poses to 4Runner is for consumers who want a primarily on-road vehicle with lots of creature comforts and light off road capability. The Limited trim plays to this consumer to some extent (although it's capable off road). With Explorer's ability to tow at a competitive weight now and more bells and whistles it may sway some buyers.
My hope is with the 4RUNNER 6th Gen the vehicle keeps it's off road credibility while putting enough comfort and technology into the vehicle to maintain appeal to the masses.
The 2nd and 3rd Monteros are very reliable and excellent off-road, maybe even better than a 4Runner of the era stock vs. stock. The frame is not a typical unibody, it’s very stout and designed for hard off-road. They will never have the flex of a 4Runner but they have an advanced traction system that does great when a tire is off the ground. They have a great reputation overseas and are more in line with a land cruiser than a Highlander.
rushrunner
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The back window does not go down. No competition there. End of story.
