Snorkel

[MENTION=64685]TOY2G[/MENTION] ahhh, so these are the shiny ones. interesting option, but personally I'd like to see what cbi can do

They look shiny in the pics but if you watch my vid you can see they have the same textured finish as the safari.

But I will tell you from experience, CBI will need to lay down about $55k to build molds if they are going to make ABS and that does not include any other tooling. I have been to factories and even worked with a fellow member that does injection molding, and the rough cost to get one of these to roll of production is an initial investment of about $100k.

I hope CBI can do it, because they do everything super high quality, but they would insane to take that on.. They would need like 6500 4runners to buy a snorkel to start turning profit, and we are at 12.

I wanted to do it myself, but it's not a good business decision, YET....


There are other manufacturing processes that make this viable, but UV stability remains an issue. This snorkel can be bonded (3D printed) for a startup cost of about $20k. But according to the printers I have talked to, the biggest challenges would be the threaded inserts and the UV stability... But even 3D printed snorkels would cost me just under $300 a snorkel before any hardware or intake neck. And then to LineX them or similar for UV protection..... They just cost the end user too much.

I will install mine and see how I like it..... If it works well and is strong, I will order one more for my TE and call it good, and one day in the not so distant future someone will figure out a way to make these for a reasonable price out of something that people like.
 
[MENTION=64685]TOY2G[/MENTION] I want to genuinely thank you for your efforts to get us 5th gen folk a snorkel. It is clear that you have gone above and beyond to make this happen and we appreciate that greatly. You have demonstrated that you know more about it than the rest of us.

It was probably unfair of me to call Nathan out and put him/CBI on the spot after seeing the costs. On the flip side those Idaho guys know how to get things done, and they do a great job when they do it.

I looked long and hard at the snorkels you are offering and I never reached for my wallet. For me it seemed like it wouldn't be an actual upgrade with all the technologies available these days.

So you are right in that if you had to have one today, your offering is the most feasible and it is functional and holding out may leave you empty handed and disappointed for the indefinite future.

So if we can build enough interest to motivate CBI to innovate we can hopefully help them to develops the desired outcome. Innovation is the key as you have already demonstrated why we are stuck in our current situation with our current technologies.
 
Has anyone tried a tacoma safari snorkel?

I have tried the tacoma and the fj snorkel. the tacoma one mounts flat against the fender and the 5th gen has a mound in the fender simular to the FJ so the tacoma one will not sit flat. the fj one is just all sorts of wrong... :nono:

We need a member with a rapid prototype 3D printer to build a couple and let us test them..... I have a 3D printer, but its print area is far to small to piece together a snorkel.
 
[MENTION=64685]TOY2G[/MENTION] ahhh, so these are the shiny ones. interesting option, but personally I'd like to see what cbi can do

What's going to be made of? ABS? I'll say I'm in. #12 ;)

nothing actually showing it on a truck though, eh? the audio on your vid is barely audible on my laptop, but don't you say something about the fibreglass being a lot more brittle than plastic? would seem to suggest that it is more susceptible to damage, no?

[MENTION=64685]TOY2G[/MENTION] I want to genuinely thank you for your efforts to get us 5th gen folk a snorkel. It is clear that you have gone above and beyond to make this happen and we appreciate that greatly. You have demonstrated that you know more about it than the rest of us.

It was probably unfair of me to call Nathan out and put him/CBI on the spot after seeing the costs. On the flip side those Idaho guys know how to get things done, and they do a great job when they do it.

I looked long and hard at the snorkels you are offering and I never reached for my wallet. For me it seemed like it wouldn't be an actual upgrade with all the technologies available these days.

So you are right in that if you had to have one today, your offering is the most feasible and it is functional and holding out may leave you empty handed and disappointed for the indefinite future.

So if we can build enough interest to motivate CBI to innovate we can hopefully help them to develops the desired outcome. Innovation is the key as you have already demonstrated why we are stuck in our current situation with our current technologies.


I took advantage of a slow day at work today and installed the snorkel. you can see a quick write-upand vid in THIS THREAD if you want to see it in all its glory. IN short, I am sold. its not ABS like I would have preferred, but it is definitely solid, the template worked, and the fit was remarkable.

i will be ordering one more for my TE just so you know. I am willing to import several of them since my bond is good for all of 2014, but i will need a real commitment (translation: $$$$).
 
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I'm thinking we go with a behind the fender to the a pilar, then up with the snorkel matching the b pilar angle to a pre air cleaner. The fiberglass isn't doing it for me. Your thoughts?
 
What's going to be made of? ABS? I'll say I'm in. #12 ;)
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Nathan @cbioffroadfab, what's the magic number for a production run?
What's going to be made of? ABS? I'll say I'm in. #12 ;)
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if I'm not mistaken, the 150 series prado that our 4runners are based off of has a very similar body cease on the fender. safari makes a snorkel for that. has anyone tried that yet?

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if I'm not mistaken, the 150 series prado that our 4runners are based off of has a very similar body cease on the fender. safari makes a snorkel for that. has anyone tried that yet?

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I tried this road first, but the Prado 150 has VERY different fender lines than the 5th gen.

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If the fenders were close, I totally would use one of these, the smaller snorkel looks soooooo much better.
 
if I'm not mistaken, the 150 series prado that our 4runners are based off of has a very similar body cease on the fender. safari makes a snorkel for that. has anyone tried that yet?

Here's where it was tried on a 5th Gen and you can see how close it is. I thought about getting one a couple of years back and making it work with a homemade shim/filler the shape of our fender to match the prado fender..... http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/114906-snorkel-update.html

I have no idea why Safari won't make one for us.It looks like it would be pretty easy for ARB/Safari to modify the snorkel mold to fit ours as the airbox is in the same place
 
The answer I got from Safari about why they won't just make one is because they don't get the 5th gen 4runner in Australia. So they aren't going to make a snorkel for something that may or may not fit correctly.
 
I wonder what they would do if we shipped them an inner and outer fender plus a a pillar...?

I still think that we need CBI to take a stab at it... My guess is that once we hit twenty or I'm able to schedule time to send it over there, they will get it figured out.
 
ack! you're right. well this just sucks.

^ Now THAT is a good looking snorkel! :girl:

Here's where it was tried on a 5th Gen and you can see how close it is. I thought about getting one a couple of years back and making it work with a homemade shim/filler the shape of our fender to match the prado fender..... http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/114906-snorkel-update.html

I have no idea why Safari won't make one for us.It looks like it would be pretty easy for ARB/Safari to modify the snorkel mold to fit ours as the airbox is in the same place

The answer I got from Safari about why they won't just make one is because they don't get the 5th gen 4runner in Australia. So they aren't going to make a snorkel for something that may or may not fit correctly.


It blows my mind sometimes how peoples mind work. There is a perfect fitting, and well made snorkel on the market now for 5th gens, something people claim to have been wanting forever, but the cost was too high.

So I buy one, pay out the nose to ship it here, install it on my truck and to my surprise, it fits perfect, and looks just as bad as FJ and wrangler snorkels.

I have posted the short write up on 3 forums, I have spent hours working with FTS and my Shanghai factory to figure out how to get the cost down close to Safari prices for everyone, and I have fielded some pretty odd questions.

I have come to the conclusion that Safari is right to not build one, people don't want a snorkel on their 5th gen, they just want one to be avail if they change their mind. I have gotten 30 responses and and a few PMs and the census is... The snorkel, is too shiny (it painted Fiberglass so you could paint it any color or texture you want), it's fiberglass (the material ALL snorkels use to be), and it's too big on the fender part (like the FJ, Landcruiser, Wrangler, exc). :cry2:

It's a functioning snorkel made to fit our trucks out of a proven material.. Sure it's fiberglass, what's the problem, afraid in all your hardcore rock crawling you are going to take it out with a bolder or tree? At least fiberglass can be repaired easily. I can see that people want to add "snorkel" to their mod list but do not want to install or use a snorkel.

Perhaps we can get them to make a stick on fender accessory (like the hood scoops or chrome vents) that looks like a snorkel to fill the void in the market.


Sorry for the rant guys, I have just got a lot of silly questions and generally disapproving responses to this snorkel. I don't work for FTS, I cannot get them to shorten the body, I cannot get them to LineX the snorkel, I cannot get them to send the cad file to me, I cannot get them to make it two pieces.

If you want a pretty well built, custom fit 5th gen snorkel, this is your option.

Note: I know I said this before, but I have tried to find a solution for a 5th gen snorkel for about 18 months, I went as far as to contact a injection molder and Eli at Ironman Off-road. Bottom line, to make the 5 molds required to produce the 5th gen snorkel and get a single snorkel into production requires roughly a $100k investment. This translates into a ROI starting at over 9200 snorkels to reach the black (not even turning profit). Even if technology could in a few years cut production cost in half or even 75 percent, they still need 2000-4000 people willing to buy a snorkel. This entire forum could not get 100 off the shelf if they were free.



FWIW. I am ordering 2 (full priced) snorkels from FTS this week, one more for me and one for GD2013. FTS says they have only sold 2 in 13 months, one to me, and one to CA. With a demand like that, I assume they will not continue offering these for much longer.
 
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Yea....13. That's the magic number......:bash:

Nathan (CBI) is no idiot, these guys build wicked cool stuff (for profit).

I hope they make one, I will be number 14 to buy one. But you think they are going to ante up for 13 potential customers....? Do you think they will for 50?

It's mentality like this that make this a loosing fight. A snorkel hits the market for our trucks, but you don't want that one. You want CBI to make them for you and 12 other people because you cannot do math.
 

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