So I guess it's time for an Aux fan?

4200 miles in 18 days went fairly well on vacation. But I have high standards. Even sitting in traffic, but especially near rockcrawling in low range A/C left something to be desired. Temp gauge never budged an inch, er MM, and is this a real one or a buffered one like in the BMWs I'm so fond of where dead center is anywhere from 140 to 220F?

Looking and measuring things I see I can probably squeeze in a 10" fan, or mounting below a pair of 7" fans? Also thinking of mounting a radiator sensor/switch on the high side line. Not sure how to calibrate it, but since coolant doesn't seem to be a problem that would appear to be the logical path.

Thoughts, suggestions, calling me an idiot, I'm open for input!

Actually I'd self describe myself a a crazy man, not an idiot.
 
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Ya sure the factory fluid fan clutch is up-to-snuff??
Gotta get enough air across the condenser.

In the past......on other vehicles......I've had my share of bad ones.

Hope this helps.

Kevin
 
There is a recent thread posting about how the 4runner evap thermistor appears to have a factory defect where it reads wrong and a simple resistor can fix it. I have a brand new AC system top to bottom and I have similar issues. Been meaning to try the fix.

That said I think an electrical fan on these cars is a good idea because removing the fan / belt / pulley combo is a nightmare.

As for the gauge being buffered. Probably a little bit but these trucks have consistent cooling systems. I have a scangauge and actual temps go between 186 and 190 but the needle never moves.
 
4200 miles in 18 days went fairly well on vacation. But I have high standards. Even sitting in traffic, but especially near rockcrawling in low range A/C left something to be desired. Temp gauge never budged an inch, er MM, and is this a real one or a buffered one like in the BMWs I'm so fond of where dead center is anywhere from 140 to 220F?

Looking and measuring things I see I can probably squeeze in a 10" fan, or mounting below a pair of 7" fans? Also thinking of mounting a radiator sensor/switch on the high side line. Not sure how to calibrate it, but since coolant doesn't seem to be a problem that would appear to be the logical path.

Thoughts, suggestions, calling me an idiot, I'm open for input!

Actually I'd self describe myself a a crazy man, not an idiot.

The GX came with an extra fan for the condenser. Find one in the junkyard or pick up an aftermarket on off of Rockauto
 
4200 miles in 18 days went fairly well on vacation. But I have high standards. Even sitting in traffic, but especially near rockcrawling in low range A/C left something to be desired. Temp gauge never budged an inch, er MM, and is this a real one or a buffered one like in the BMWs I'm so fond of where dead center is anywhere from 140 to 220F?

Looking and measuring things I see I can probably squeeze in a 10" fan, or mounting below a pair of 7" fans? Also thinking of mounting a radiator sensor/switch on the high side line. Not sure how to calibrate it, but since coolant doesn't seem to be a problem that would appear to be the logical path.

Thoughts, suggestions, calling me an idiot, I'm open for input!

Actually I'd self describe myself a a crazy man, not an idiot.

The GX came with an extra fan for the condenser. Find one in the junkyard or pick up an aftermarket one from Rockauto
 
I have tested the fan clutch with the newspaper method, and at operating temp I couldn't slow it down a bit, plus the temp gauge never budged, so I don't think it's the fan clutch.

The GX came with an extra fan for the condenser. Find one in the junkyard or pick up an aftermarket one from Rockauto

So Toyota Landcruisers didn't come with one, but Lexus Landcruisers did? Is it a bolt up? How is it switched and is there a high and low speed? Or PWM?
 
There is a recent thread posting about how the 4runner evap thermistor appears to have a factory defect where it reads wrong and a simple resistor can fix it. I have a brand new AC system top to bottom and I have similar issues. Been meaning to try the fix.

That said I think an electrical fan on these cars is a good idea because removing the fan / belt / pulley combo is a nightmare.

As for the gauge being buffered. Probably a little bit but these trucks have consistent cooling systems. I have a scangauge and actual temps go between 186 and 190 but the needle never moves.

I was reading that thread with interest, but it's only at idle or 4WD low range crawling that it manifests itself on mine. 186 to 190 is nothing. BMWs crazy buffered gauges stay right in the middle for 60 or 80 degrees. From lousy heater to just under boiling over with a 2 bar cap and the aux fan sounding like a 747 getting ready for take off.:frusty:
 
4200 miles in 18 days went fairly well on vacation. But I have high standards. Even sitting in traffic, but especially near rockcrawling in low range A/C left something to be desired. Temp gauge never budged an inch, er MM, and is this a real one or a buffered one like in the BMWs I'm so fond of where dead center is anywhere from 140 to 220F?

Looking and measuring things I see I can probably squeeze in a 10" fan, or mounting below a pair of 7" fans? Also thinking of mounting a radiator sensor/switch on the high side line. Not sure how to calibrate it, but since coolant doesn't seem to be a problem that would appear to be the logical path.

Thoughts, suggestions, calling me an idiot, I'm open for input!

Actually I'd self describe myself a a crazy man, not an idiot.

I'm in the same boat down here in the SW, but there are other things that needs to be checked before adding the complexity of a electric pusher fan. That's a Band-Aid I'd like to avoid. In my case, my evap needs to be replaced, as well as the Orifice valve and whatever else! At 450xxx miles, I'm not expecting 40deg vent temps.

On my 80 series, I did add two pusher fans in front of the condenser. This wouldn't have been necessary but when you add a turbo, the heat soak is just too immense. If you're thinking of adding fan(s), i'd add two so that the bulk of the condenser is cooling off equally vs having partial cooling.

The thermistor sensor fix created by someone extremely knowledgeable in this stuff is very compelling. I need to try that also!!

Additionally, the silicone (viscous) fluid in the fan clutch does lose it's lockup efficiency over time so I may start with that easy one. My 80 has 10k CST so I might put that in the 4runner as well.

Anyway, the point being there's a whole host of crap one needs to do before pusher fans are added. These 4th gens are long in the tooth and parts are wearing out! This is my opinion of course.

I installed two 12" fans from Amazon. The one on the driver side in the pic had to go between the ATF cooler and the A/C condenser. Just took a little creativity but it fits perfectly. I'm using an Omega thermocouple calibrator to read two thermocouple inputs on my drive home. The vent temps are definitely running cooler and the interior is cooling down nicely. Of course, a steady hwy cruise is optimum and that's where i'm seeing vent temps at 45deg. You may not know this but the 80 series has a ball vent and it can really freeze your balls on a long hwy cruise!!

I started this saga with ChatGPT by feeding it a lot of data like low pressure, high pressure, vent temps, vent temps, cab temps, ambient temps, suction line temp, discharge line temp, etc. As I did minor improvements, I kept feeding that data to ChatGPT and it was remembering all of my iterations in a concise manner. I think this is a good way to go down this rabbit hole using a more "scientific" method, so to speak. This is for the 80 series landcruiser, but i'll do the same thing for the 4runner when the time comes.
 

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