Supa LA
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Why the no KDSS? Just curious, i am debating that myself.
So, what's the diff between the TRD Pro and TRD Off Road?
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Why the no KDSS? Just curious, i am debating that myself.
CF_Machete
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Just get the off road and upgrade the suspension. If you are going to do a long travel suspension, avoid KDSS.
The big difference is the Pro suspension, essentially Bilstein 6112s in front and 5160's in the rear except the front coil overs are not adjustable on the pro version. Check "my Garage" for the part numbers.
Another key difference are the wheels, black bumper valances and a grill garnish. There are a few other cosmetics differences, but If you price it out, you can sink about $2-$3K into an off road and pretty much end up with a pro. Comparing apples to apples, same model year, the off road is cheaper.
The big difference is the Pro suspension, essentially Bilstein 6112s in front and 5160's in the rear except the front coil overs are not adjustable on the pro version. Check "my Garage" for the part numbers.
Another key difference are the wheels, black bumper valances and a grill garnish. There are a few other cosmetics differences, but If you price it out, you can sink about $2-$3K into an off road and pretty much end up with a pro. Comparing apples to apples, same model year, the off road is cheaper.
A used TRDP 2 years old for 43k is a HUGE rip off haha. Run away...
ToyoT4R
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Ripoff? I agree but as crazy as that may be, the reality is it's what they are selling for. Is it worth it? That's up to the buyer.
Good luck to anyone trying to get a Barcelona Red Off Road Premium, it seems they may very few of them. I ended up with Blue as a result.
Supa LA
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I told them tonight, shortly after making this thread, that I had to pass, the price just wasn't where I wanted it to be. I'll gladly take that new car smell. [emoji14]
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Why should you avoid KDSS if going with a long travel suspension? My understanding is all those kits work with KDSS. Which extended travel shocks are you referring to specifically?
Also, to get closer to the Pro, you need to get the Off Road Premium, it catches up the Off Road on some of the creature comforts, but you still don't get them all (e.g., automatic headlights)
I'd recommend driving a truck with and without KDSS. The road performance was way better with KDSS, and supposedly, you get more travel off road too. I really didn't like the cornering without KDSS. With KDSS cornering was tolerable (I was coming from a Subaru Impreza Sport, just for a point of reference).
Supa LA
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I found one not too far from me, I think I'm going to see if my dealer will trade for that since they mentioned it already.
Oh, it'll for sure be the premium. I have already decided that.
I've had multiple subarus as well, so I think you've sold me on the KDSS. Thanks.
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changingtime
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Go brand new and get the longest warranty, it's cheap 125k miles
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Just because something is selling for a certain price it doesn't mean one isn't able to have an opinion as to whether it's worth it.
In fact - I'd assume that's why the OP was asking, he wanted opinions.
Especially when he said he was going to swap suspension.. why not SAVE 4-5k and get a brand new TRD ORP?
wcjeep
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We have a 17' OR Premium with KDSS. Cornering and pavement matters are really nice. We have no plans to lift it. It's the wife's commuter. We also deleted the sunroof. I never use the sunroof on our other vehicle. Sunroofs lose 2-3" of headroom.
TRD PRO makes a lot of sense in areas with rigorous State Inspections that frown on aftermarket upgrades.
TRD PRO makes a lot of sense in areas with rigorous State Inspections that frown on aftermarket upgrades.
sn_85
Senior Member
Yes, it's a ripoff. You can get a brand new TRD Pro for that price.
To my understanding, state inspections are typically only concerned with emission requirements which are the same across the board of the 4Runner line up. Lift, the only thing that sorta crappily sets the TRD apart (it's base level aftermarket shocks) really won't be effected by state inspections anywhere. At least not with the lifts people on 4Runners do.
wcjeep
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It was awhile ago I was reading what might have been Pennsylvania and Hawaii? The inspections would probably fail aftermarket suspension parts. A few vehicles made sense for these types of situations. TRD PRO was factory parts. The 2006 Dodge Megacab 1500 exploited Pennsylvania law too. The 06' 1500 Megacab came with 3/4 ton frame and running gear but only qualified for 1/2 ton taxation. I don't live in a state with inspections. Good thing too. My Offroad Jeep (trailer queen) would never make it.
ToyoT4R
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Hawaii doesn't have emissions inspections but they are very strict on modifications and bumper height. You'll often see lifted trucks come in with tiny stock wheel/tires so bumper height is within reg. Then the next day they put their 44" tires back on.
Other than that they check the basics: lights,signals, horn, insurance, brakes, tire tread, etc.
I would say that 90% or more of the 4Runners on this forum are running 3" lifts or smaller, and 33" tires or smaller.
Some trucks (such as an F250) come stock with 34" tires, so I can't possibly see a regularly fitted 33" tire not passing inspecting everywhere, and lifting a mere 3" while maintaining the oem bumper I could not see being an issue anywhere either.
If we were a Jeep forum, where people were easily lifting their jeeps and fitting 37's with high narrow bumpers, I would see it being much, much more of an issue.. Fortunately (or unfortunately) the 4Runners are not nearly as easily capable of being lifted to that extreme with such large tires.
Jetboy
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If they were priced exactly the same - I'd still buy a TRD OR Premium with KDSS over a TRD Pro. Without KDSS it's a wash. They're essentially the same thing, they just look different. The shocks have basically no value for me either way. I'd toss either set. And the TRD OR wheels are better for a number of reasons if you want to go play in the dirt. If you want a show truck, the TRD Pro is the way to go. The only valuable difference is the better front skid on the TRD Pro. So as between a non-KDSS OR and a PRO I'd give the PRO a value of $275 more for the skid and maybe $200 for the wheels that I would ditch for OR wheels that are wider and have valve stem protection because those are things that offer utility to me.
I think it really boils down to what color you want and how much the Pro color is worth.
I think it really boils down to what color you want and how much the Pro color is worth.
gundrted+t4r
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I went with a '17 TRDORP over the TRDP. I got a sliding rear deck, sun roof, kdss and all the offroad tricks for under 40k. The TRDP would have been at least 3-5k (or more) more and there isn't even an option for a sun roof ... WTF. If the TRDP had a V8 or Turbo-D, ok now we are talking but it doesnt ... its just bling.
The TRDP is just really a custom color, some bolt on bling and low production volume. Some people pay for exclusivity and thats good for them.
The TDRP still depreciates just like any other car. In 3-5 years, or when the 6th Gen comes out, it will be interesting to see what people do when they try to sell a 4Runner they paid way over sticker for. Here is CO I've seen some used TRDP asking close to 50k. That is a joke. Even one dealer had a new one for around 50k. At that price I would get a Lexus GX.
The TRDP is just really a custom color, some bolt on bling and low production volume. Some people pay for exclusivity and thats good for them.
The TDRP still depreciates just like any other car. In 3-5 years, or when the 6th Gen comes out, it will be interesting to see what people do when they try to sell a 4Runner they paid way over sticker for. Here is CO I've seen some used TRDP asking close to 50k. That is a joke. Even one dealer had a new one for around 50k. At that price I would get a Lexus GX.
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