Sooo.. Is it time for a Land Cruiser??

[M_RED]

I absolutely love my 5th Gen, but the family is growing beyond what I can currently seat without 3 rows. And even with 3 rows in a 4runner, those tiny backseats just won't cut it..

Soo.. I'm trying to read up on the 100 and 200 series LandCruisers and LX470/570 twins as I give my truck a solid detail to get her ready to sell..

I'm curious if anyone here has Back to back experience between the two platforms.

How much work am I going to have to put into the bigger platform to end up with a truck just as capable as my current 4runner (lifted 3 inches TRD-Pro on 33's with a decent amount of armor)..

How much of a liability offroad is that bigger wheelbase and overhang?
Are there PIA limitations to stuffing bigger tires under those vehicles? Do things bigger than 33's mean body mount chops, or hours banging over pinch welds/seams?

Any information/thoughts/expereinces shared will be greatly appreciated!

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

I absolutely love my 5th Gen, but the family is growing beyond what I can currently seat without 3 rows. And even with 3 rows in a 4runner, those tiny backseats just won't cut it..

Soo.. I'm trying to read up on the 100 and 200 series LandCruisers and LX470/570 twins as I give my truck a solid detail to get her ready to sell..

I'm curious if anyone here has Back to back experience between the two platforms.

How much work am I going to have to put into the bigger platform to end up with a truck just as capable as my current 4runner (lifted 3 inches TRD-Pro on 33's with a decent amount of armor)..

How much of a liability offroad is that bigger wheelbase and overhang?
Are there PIA limitations to stuffing bigger tires under those vehicles? Do things bigger than 33's mean body mount chops, or hours banging over pinch welds/seams?

Any information/thoughts/expereinces shared will be greatly appreciated!

I once regretted not getting a Land Cruiser. After actually sitting in an LX570, I no longer regret it.

The mysterious cluster of 4 button blanks below the Start button, regardless of trim? Yeah those are all features* in the LX570.

* mid generation one button was removed (moved) as the feature was relocated to the panel left of the steering column.

The Land Cruiser and the LX570 2-row sat almost exactly $90k when new. Now having driven both, I highly respect the Land Cruiser and it’s unique positioning as a Toyota, but feel like I’d get so much more in the LX570.

If you go back to a 2015 LX570, the driving experience is damn near perfect. A big, square, easy to judge BOX of a vehicle, with a low belt line (tall windows combined with high roof is just bliss).


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[FoxtrotRomeo]

Not the original question - how about a Sequoia?

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

Here is a thread that may answer some questions:

Builds - 2010 LX 570 -AHC Delete, Tundra Swap, 4.5" BDS Lift | IH8MUD Forum


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[2021nightshade4x4]

Not the original question - how about a Sequoia?

TRD pro Sequoias look really sweet. Also Entune 3.0 has CarPlay, neither 2021 Land Cruiser nor 2021 LX570 do.

There is a kit to retrofit CarPlay to an LC200 but not LX570.

I would not touch an LX600 with a 10 foot pole. Turbo V6’s in a full size do not excite me.


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[M_RED]

Not the original question - how about a Sequoia?

I haven't really looked into Sequoias, My fear is that they become just a little too big for actual off-roading, as they are a few inches wider than the LC/LX.. (I personally think the Land Cruisers are quite big for trails around me, NW Washington State, but a family of 6 trumps my desire for a smaller truck..)

I don't see a lot of dedicated support for those sequoias beyond lift-kits for strip malls either. From what I saw, there is actually quite a lot of differences between the Sequoia and Tundra that means a lot of the locking diffs for Tundras don't fit in the sequoias. (10.5 vs 10" diff,,, totally different housings... stuff like that..)

Maybe I need to do some more searching....

 

[DannyLlama]

I'm grappling with the same decision, though not to replace my 4runner but to replace the POS infiniti that we have. Spoiler, never buy an infiniti.

I would love the brand new LC but not sold in the US

I am also considering the sequia. The new ones are just gorgeous, I just don't know how they fare on the trails, size, and function.

 

[xtacles]

Have you sat in a Land Cruiser or LX? My father-in-law was looking at LX's recently and we spent some time in a 2020. I loved the LX, but if you're buying it for the third row you may be disappointed. There really is not much space back there and when the seats are up there is next to no cargo space. Third row SUV's are a conundrum - it's crazy hard to get good interior space without monstrous exterior dimensions (or going unibody).

 

[Cheers!]

The 3rd row in any SUV is terrible.

Even in a Yukon XL. I've had one. If you need 3 rows get an Odyssey or a Sequoia or lease a Pacifica.

 

[Jetboy]

FWIW, the lc200 is not any bigger inside. If you're tight in the 4r you'll be tight in the LC. The LC actually has less cargo volume.

Either Sequoia or Highlander if you need more room in a Toyota.

I bought a Tundra CrewMax in similar need for more room. But I only need 4 seats. Plus dog and gear.

 

[Muskrat14]

Maybe you keep your Runner and the wife buys a mini van?


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[Humble Leader]

The 3rd row in any SUV is terrible.

Even in a Yukon XL. I've had one. If you need 3 rows get an Odyssey or a Sequoia or lease a Pacifica.

this is generally what I see as well. if you want the 3 row SUV, cargo space + offroad capability of a 4runner, I don't think that exists.

a sequoia can certainly be built to handle some offroading, but how intense of offroading do you need? rock crawling, moab, or just some weekend fun?

you're going to have to give up something to get that extra space and larger third row seat. the sequoia is probably a good combination of cargo space, 3rd row and offroad ability but it's not the best in either of those. a suburban or something similar will be the best in cargo space but not real good offroad, comparatively

I don't think the LC will be big enough for you, the LX is a damn beauty and is capable off the lot with the offroad goodies it has but you still might find it small if you're completely out of room in the 4runner

honestly, make a list of the top 5, in order, of requirements for your new vehicle. cross the last 2 items off the list and go buy/test drive the vehicles that meet your top 3. either way you're going to have to give up something here

 

[Pedro367]

this is generally what I see as well. if you want the 3 row SUV, cargo space + offroad capability of a 4runner, I don't think that exists.

a sequoia can certainly be built to handle some offroading, but how intense of offroading do you need? rock crawling, moab, or just some weekend fun?

you're going to have to give up something to get that extra space and larger third row seat. the sequoia is probably a good combination of cargo space, 3rd row and offroad ability but it's not the best in either of those. a suburban or something similar will be the best in cargo space but not real good offroad, comparatively

I don't think the LC will be big enough for you, the LX is a damn beauty and is capable off the lot with the offroad goodies it has but you still might find it small if you're completely out of room in the 4runner

honestly, make a list of the top 5, in order, of requirements for your new vehicle. cross the last 2 items off the list and go buy/test drive the vehicles that meet your top 3. either way you're going to have to give up something here

Exactly, but keep in mind he's out of room in the 4runner because he has 6 people to tote around, not just cargo space. He needs the third row no matter how small it is or how much it cuts out cargo volume. He's putting kids back there, not adults. he could also put 3 kids in the middle like he is now and one in the back while keeping a 3rd seat down. It'll be a tight fit, but if he wants capability it's what it's going to be. That's what roofracks, cargo boxes, and hitch racks are for.

I can't think of a vehicle out there that will match an LC in capability off the lot with 3 rows. The Sequoia is there as you said, but it's not an LC and it's huge compared to the LC. Maybe a modified previous Gen Tahoe before they went IRS, but Chevy. And that's a big maybe.

 

[Grug556]

I had a G wagon AMG for abit awhile ago. I always wanted a nice LX570, now I think its better to keep two Runners and have a nice G wagon as the around town car, but maybe not AMG version, odd to say but other than when I took on a corvette on the highway, the AMG extra power wasnt really needed. To bad the new LC has twin turbo 6, seems wrong for the class.

 

[Humble Leader]

Exactly, but keep in mind he's out of room in the 4runner because he has 6 people to tote around, not just cargo space. He needs the third row no matter how small it is or how much it cuts out cargo volume. He's putting kids back there, not adults. he could also put 3 kids in the middle like he is now and one in the back while keeping a 3rd seat down. It'll be a tight fit, but if he wants capability it's what it's going to be. That's what roofracks, cargo boxes, and hitch racks are for.

I can't think of a vehicle out there that will match an LC in capability off the lot with 3 rows. The Sequoia is there as you said, but it's not an LC. Maybe a modified previous Gen Tahoe before they went IRS, but Chevy. And that's a big maybe.

honestly the OP needs to check out the nissan NV

 

[Pedro367]

honestly the OP needs to check out the nissan NV

You aren't wrong. One of those Mercedes vans was actually the first thing that popped into my head too!

 

[Humble Leader]

You aren't wrong. One of those Mercedes vans was actually the first thing that popped into my head too!

I've said it before, but the chevy cargo van v8 is a GREAT often slept on choice for an overlanding rig if you don't mind putting some work into it. v8, I think 4x4 and rear locker all from factory. a lift, some tires and some work on the interior and it's a great overlanding vehicle with lots of space

nissan NV can be a good choice as well if you want seats vs. sleeping area. with a little bit of creativity you can turn a non-mainstream rig into a nice overlanding /offroader.

 

[bigdaddy2021]

I absolutely love my 5th Gen, but the family is growing beyond what I can currently seat without 3 rows. And even with 3 rows in a 4runner, those tiny backseats just won't cut it..

Soo.. I'm trying to read up on the 100 and 200 series LandCruisers and LX470/570 twins as I give my truck a solid detail to get her ready to sell..

I'm curious if anyone here has Back to back experience between the two platforms.

How much work am I going to have to put into the bigger platform to end up with a truck just as capable as my current 4runner (lifted 3 inches TRD-Pro on 33's with a decent amount of armor)..

How much of a liability offroad is that bigger wheelbase and overhang?
Are there PIA limitations to stuffing bigger tires under those vehicles? Do things bigger than 33's mean body mount chops, or hours banging over pinch welds/seams?

Any information/thoughts/expereinces shared will be greatly appreciated!

I would consider looking at a Quigley van. For the money, you're getting a brand new rig, with the ability to carry 6 and their stuff comfortably with the ability to use the roof rack too.

4x4 Ford Transit Vans >> Quigley Motor Company

Downside is that it's a BIG platform and you'll be limited on the trails you can run due to sheer size.

With six, i think you're still going to be feeling too small in a Landcruiser, unless you always tow a small cargo trailer since you're using your 3rd row seat.

 

[bigdaddy2021]

I absolutely love my 5th Gen, but the family is growing beyond what I can currently seat without 3 rows. And even with 3 rows in a 4runner, those tiny backseats just won't cut it..

Soo.. I'm trying to read up on the 100 and 200 series LandCruisers and LX470/570 twins as I give my truck a solid detail to get her ready to sell..

I'm curious if anyone here has Back to back experience between the two platforms.

How much work am I going to have to put into the bigger platform to end up with a truck just as capable as my current 4runner (lifted 3 inches TRD-Pro on 33's with a decent amount of armor)..

How much of a liability offroad is that bigger wheelbase and overhang?
Are there PIA limitations to stuffing bigger tires under those vehicles? Do things bigger than 33's mean body mount chops, or hours banging over pinch welds/seams?

Any information/thoughts/expereinces shared will be greatly appreciated!

MY previous post being said, I'd go with the 100 or 200 series landcruiser. Good support from the aftermarket. 35's easily achievable -3rd row seating is comfy. My dad had an 80 series and a 100 series and went all around CA going offroading in both. Very solid rigs.

Only problem is that with the 100 series, you're looking at a used vehicle with probably 80-150k miles on the clock, so maintenance becomes an issue.

and Like i said above, you'll need to tow a trailer for most of your cargo.

 

[MAST4R]

The TRD Sequoia is kinda of an orphan as it has no following I know of. Thus it can be had relatively cheaply but on the flip side aftermarket support is probably minimal.

I guess the real question is about the amount of crawling the rig will see. Are you really going to have 6 people beaten up on slow going trails? I very much doubt it. I am sure a Sequoia can handle the Ouray trails and the like kind of slow but short and super scenic trails that everybody likes. But a more typical slow forest trail where you fight rocks between trees with no end in sight is not really a family adventure.

Ditto for Moab, there is plenty of fun in Utah to be had in a Sequoia leaving a couple dozen harder trails for modded Jeep rentals if these are even of interest.

So if offroading will be limited to yourself and the older kids, a 4R+minivan may be great OR if it will feature everyone but be milder maybe the Sequoia is the ticket.

Then the question is whether a good suspension exists for the Sequoia because those rear passengers will not like any offroading at all unless you get some pretty good rear suspension setup.

Anything too soft and you will bottom out too much, anything too stiff and you won't do much offroading at all with 6 people in.