Southern Style Offroad Bumper Experience

Actually no...I’m comparing a reputable company who stands behind their products, to a company who doesn’t seem to give a shit, and is now resorting to name calling and stalking profiles on a message board. You stay classy SSO.

I'm with [MENTION=290929]YellowSnow[/MENTION] on this one. Just get the customer an undamaged product and deal with the FedEx problem with the shipper.

(This stuff always blows my mind. If your 4Runner showed up with door dings and trail rash would you just shrug your shoulders and pay them MSRP and say "it will get beat up anyway"? No of course not. Heck, there are active threads on exactly that and we are all supporting those buyers.)

Like many here, I have bought all sorts of heavy metal things from vendors and I can say a few things:

  1. This whole idea that "it's going to get scraped up en route" is bogus. If packaging is well designed, it will be fine. (Never mind armor - I have ordered much heavier items off Amazon and had no damage on arrival.)
  2. When I have had some sliders and skid plates show up damaged, some vendors took care of it very quickly. In one case, they shipped a new set and I just dropped the scraped up ones back at FedEx. In another case, the offered me an exchange or a several-hundred $ credit, my choice
  3. Then there was one that blamed FedEx, told me to paint it, and basically did everything they could to avoid addressing the situation. I eventually got their attention by telling them I would just call the credit card company and reverse charges and drop their product back at UPS.
And you know what? I have evangelized the heck out of the vendors that treated me well and probably generated a bunch of sales, and I have also talked widely about the bad experience and made sure people knew how that company treated their customers.
 
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Wow there sure are a lot of shipping and fabrication experts in this thread. SMDH.

Or simply hard working, honest American’s who won’t sit back and get shitted on by dubious vendors. You can’t possibly think waiting 6+ months for a replacement bumper predicated on the findings of a Fed Ex damaged shipping claim is acceptable?
 
I'm with [MENTION=290929]YellowSnow[/MENTION] on this one. Just get the customer an undamaged product and deal with the FedEx problem with the shipper.

(This stuff always blows my mind. If your 4Runner showed up with door dings and trail rash would you just shrug your shoulders and pay them MSRP and say "it will get beat up anyway"? No of course not. Heck, there are active threads on exactly that and we are all supporting those buyers.)

Like many here, I have bought all sorts of heavy metal things from vendors and I can say a few things:

  1. This whole idea that "it's going to get scraped up en route" is bogus. If packaging is well designed, it will be fine. (Never mind armor - I have ordered much heavier items off Amazon and had no damage on arrival.)
  2. When I have had some sliders and skid plates show up damaged, some vendors took care of it very quickly. In one case, they shipped a new set and I just dropped the scraped up ones back at FedEx. In another case, the offered me an exchange or a several-hundred $ credit, my choice
  3. Then there was one that blamed FedEx, told me to paint it, and basically did everything they could to avoid addressing the situation. I eventually got their attention by telling them I would just call the credit card company and reverse charges and drop their product back at UPS.

And you know what? I have evangelized the heck out of the vendors that treated me well and probably generated them a bunch of business, and I have also talked widely about the bad experience and made sure people knew how that company treated their customers.

Nice to see someone else who speaks reality.
 
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[MENTION=110183]SouthernSS[/MENTION] please send this clow a can of steelit, some sand paper and junior man card. Post pics to your IG.

Bumpers are armor, just like sliders and skids. No joke, some drunk old B put her car in reverse at a stop light and gunned her subaru into my truck last year. f'd up my license plate and slightly bent the sso around the light bar cut out. My rigid 30 inch and winch were fine. Some clamps, a 2X4, Steelit and my bumper was as good as new. If there was no cut out, I doubt it would have deflected at all.

Minimal damage due to SSO and most important of all, my daughter in the back seat was safe in her car seat.
 
Dear Speedsurfer,

This is Lee with Southern Style Offroad! We talked on the phone a few weeks back when the damage first happen. I let you know that we would be building you a new bumper ready to go, but that is solely based upon how Fedex handles the claim.

We are fabricators, not shippers and that creates sort of a disconnect with customers some times. As long as we fabricate, package the product correctly and ship it we have relieved our duties as fabricators (This is actually stated in the TOS). I know it's crappy to be in the situation you are in as a customer, but it's equally crappy to be in the situation as a business.

We're into the bumper you received as follows:
-We paid a guy to order the metal
-We paid the metal distributor to receive and bend the metal
-We paid a laborer to get the metal
-We paid a welder to weld the bumper
-We paid a grinder to grind the metal
-We paid another welder to do quality control check/and final fab welds(shackles/hoops)
-We paid a laborer to bring that bumper to powder coat
-We paid the powder coater to powder coat the bumper
-We paid a laborer to pick up the bumper
-We paid the shipping team to pack it up and ship it
-We paid for the box it's in
-We paid for the foam around the hoop
-We paid for the custom expanding mold inside the box
-We paid for the insurance on that bumper

Now, I understand that this bumper was indeed paid for by YOU, the customer. So everything above was covered by you thus far, but when we fabricate another bumper and just ship it out to you without waiting on Fedex to finish the claim, now we're 100% inheriting the cost of all of that + more shipping on the product, + shipping on the return. Our profits (nor any companies') profits are high enough to just ship out a brand new product everytime a shipper messes up a product, we would simply collapse as a business.

This unfortunately is the hands of the carrier. We 100% fulfilled our part of the purchase agreement, it was Fedex who failed you NOT us.

They're other solutions in this case if Fedex just denies you completely where we can meet in the middle, so neither party loses entirely but we're not at that step.

I understand reading this can be "eh" but it's honestly just business. I don't want to provide you bad customer service, but part of running a business is understanding financials and responsibility.

A link to our TOS Terms and Conditions, Company Policies and Returns/Cancellations – Southern Style OffRoad

TOS Paragraph on shipping

"Shipping & Delivery
All packages are shipped from Southern Style OffRoad will require a direct signature upon delivery. You will be emailed with tracking information when the package leaves our warehouse and it is the responsibility of the customer to arrange for receipt of package. All Slimline bumpers, Stage 2, Roof Racks and Sliders are shipped via Fedex with required signature at time of delivery. Changes to the shipping address need to be made before your package leaves the warehouse. Please allow up to 9 business days for your package to arrive since there could be potential delays in shipping once the package has left our facility. We cannot guarantee any delivery dates but if provided with notice will do our best to meet your deadlines.
Southern Style OffRoad, LLC’s responsibility for damage terminates upon transfer to carrier. It is the responsibility of the customer to note any obvious damage to shipping container or pallet with the carrier at time of delivery. If you are sending your product to a third party (ie body shop) it is imperative that you or your agent inspect the package/pallet contents for damages prior to accepting the shipment. Freight companies will not pay for visible damages not noted at time of delivery.
Damage can occur during shipping which is why you must open and inspect your package/order. If a package appears to be damaged during shipping, the customer must notify the shipping driver or shipping facility immediately before opening to start a claim. Product damage whether visible or concealed must be reported to SSO within 48 hours of receipt of the package. A claim will be filed on your behalf by SSO and the customer must provide pictures of the damage to the package, packing material, and products. Pictures should include all sides of box/pallet and multiple views of product damage clearly marked with a description of the damaged area.
Full bumpers are shipped via flat-rate freight. This flat rate will send the bumper to the hub closest to the customer’s zip code. This flat rate fee does not cover the cost of shipping the bumper to an installation shop or customer’s house. "


Pictures of the damage, which I do agree is worth replacing over. This is why we're waiting on Fedex to answer.

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All this crying for that? Spray paint and move on.
 
Call me crazy, but the moment a customer forks over thousands for a product, it is the vendors responsibility to ensure that product arrives as advertised and to the satisfaction of the customer....end of discussion! You will absolutely not survive in this business when you essentially tell the customer there is nothing they can do, and to take it up with the shipping company. I agree, offering a discount to the customer and just rattle canning it would be a pragmatic option. Tell me again why SSO couldn’t ship a replacement immediately and then work the claim directly with Fed Ex?

Crazy
 
Hard working American or not has nothing to do with this situation, plain and simple, it is minimal damage. It's not like the bumper wasn't delivered when promised. This situation is covered in the Terms of Service, that means OP agreed to these terms when he ordered, that is SSOs policy. Expecting a new bumper for that little bit of damage from a shipper is unrealistic in anybody's world except for a few people on here. It's a scratch. If it was a dent even as small as a quarter I could understand a little more of the hate seen on this thread.

If OP wants a full replacement which a lot of us feel is unreasonable, then time will not be on his side. Corporate wheels do not turn quickly
All of these fabricators are on full blown schedules and product is not just lying around. It is usually made to order. And then your at the mercy of powder coaters schedules as well.

As far as Baja Racks, they had horrible wait times and customer service when I bought mine 6 years ago, so each situation is different.
SSO is NOT Amazon with Billions in capital. They are a grass roots company trying to put out some quality product. The man said Fed Ex damages 1-4 orders a week, maybe they're already into dozens of SSO damage claims for the year.

SSO put out a credible response in this thread and then was basically attacked by other members without any skin in the game. Isn't the internet a wonderful thing, keyboard critics are everywhere.

[MENTION=110183]SouthernSS[/MENTION] I would stay hands off this thread and try to make OP as happy as possible, because the pile on posters are out for blood, and even though none of them are out any money at all, I see no way of making them happy. OP I hope your experience gets better.
STILL SMDH......
 
Two things...First of all, It is minimal damage and can be rattle canned. Secondly, SSO and all bumper manufacturers should just offer bare steel only from now on. Thats what I would do.
 
WTF!!!! [MENTION=49749]Speedsurfer[/MENTION], you're loosing you damn mind over a podercoat scuff and you plan on putting a winch one your truck? Time to turn in your man card.

LMFAO... lightly sand it, wipe it down with windex and hit that spot with steelit and move on. You're going to have plenty more of those between highway and trail. I had my sso on for 2 years of NE winters, light sanded and hit with steelit last fall. Its still in immaculate shape. Meanwhile my victory rear bumper started rusting right out of the box; great product, shit p-coat.

as far as quality. due to shity tires and my position on a narrow trail, I had my bud (high centered on a rock in water) linked to my trailer hitch and a jeep helping me pull him out off one of the sso D-ring points. Got him out and the bumper didn't deflect in the slightest. Just saying, thats quality.

I would if it was just the powder coat. The corner of the bumper is bashed in like it was hit with a sledgehammer and the steel is bent and deformed. It looks bad. I can't really fix it. If I bash it on the trail that's on me. If it comes that way it kinda sucks.
 
I would if it was just the powder coat. The corner of the bumper is bashed in like it was hit with a sledgehammer and the steel is bent and deformed. It looks bad. I can't really fix it. If I bash it on the trail that's on me. If it comes that way it kinda sucks.

Then that is definitely something either the shipping company should reimburse or SSO should make it right.
 
Call me crazy, but the moment a customer forks over thousands for a product, it is the vendors responsibility to ensure that product arrives as advertised and to the satisfaction of the customer....end of discussion! You will absolutely not survive in this business when you essentially tell the customer there is nothing they can do, and to take it up with the shipping company. I agree, offering a discount to the customer and just rattle canning it would be a pragmatic option. Tell me again why SSO couldn’t ship a replacement immediately and then work the claim directly with Fed Ex?

You do realize these bumpers have a lead time for a reason right?

You think they can shit out a bumper for this guy within a week when they're asking 10-12 week lead times upon ordering? Come on man gtfoutta here.

That means somebody out there is getting their bumper order pushed back and that's not fair for SSO to take the brunt of the shit for the shipping company's ****up. SSO makes a fine product and they have the customer service to back it.
 
Even as small as that is, it would drive me crazy that I paid that much and it didn’t arrive the way it should. That seems to be a shipper’s issue. I’ve been thinking about a bumper/slider purchase from SSO for awhile. I believe I may drive down there and pick it up, instead of having it shipped when I do.

I ordered from them, a hybrid front bumper. I am looking forward to it coming. I was going to go pick it up but it was cheaper to ship so I will sit here and wait.
 
I ordered from them, a hybrid front bumper. I am looking forward to it coming. I was going to go pick it up but it was cheaper to ship so I will sit here and wait.

You’re right and you’re way closer than I am. I may do bare metal and powder coat locally.
 
You do realize these bumpers have a lead time for a reason right?

You think they can shit out a bumper for this guy within a week when they're asking 10-12 week lead times upon ordering? Come on man gtfoutta here.

That means somebody out there is getting their bumper order pushed back and that's not fair for SSO to take the brunt of the shit for the shipping company's ****up. SSO makes a fine product and they have the customer service to back it.

You do realize the OP has waited over 6+ months for a replacement, on top of the 2-3 months for the original bumper? You can’t possibly think waiting 9-10 months for a product is acceptable? Sounds like you need to GTFO of here and get a clue.
 

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