Suicide Bombers in Brussels

[flighht2k5]

i quoted my quote to try to help you... done trying that.

You're quoted quote of yourself fails to show how I advocated violence against woman and children. I'm done trying that.

 

[flighht2k5]

You could say this for quite a few scenarios, not just limited to an automotive forum. Though it does provide interesting demographics on political opinions in relation to vehicle choice. Not attacking anyone, but rather a comparison of average opinions in political threads I've seen in the various forums I frequent for different vehicles.

And it's interesting something such as a 4Runner can bring us together. If I saw you in need in the woods stuck or otherwise. I would still help you out.

 

[ndcent]

And it's interesting something such as a 4Runner can bring us together. If I saw you in need in the woods stuck or otherwise. I would still help you out.

Right. I'm amazed at all the 4Runner enthusiasts here on Toyota-4Runner.org.

 

[MtnT4R]

openly hostile... what exactly does that mean? holding a sign? having a really angry blog? lying to further your cause? buying up ammo and guns? disagreeing with you? Doesn't openly hostile depend on what side of the fence you are on?

have you ever been to Brussels? its a beautiful city, with a ton of history that most Americans cant even fathom because it began thousands of years ago not just a few hundred... They have great beer and enjoy themselves just as many of us do. They have some amazing landmarks, fountains, and fantastic square.

some there may be terrorists but i can GUARANTEE you there are places in america with terrorists... what are the KKK and neo-nazis but terrorists???? hell even religious terrorists, google abortion clinic bombings. i could go on all day.

I would define openly hostile as this: extremist cells that publicly call for the capitulation of the western world to fundamental islam, who planned and executed the bombings in Paris, and now in Brussels- killing several hundred innocent civilians. That has not happened in American cities as far as I am aware.

I understand that you are trying to make it clear that not all muslims are terrorists. I don't think anybody is actually saying that. You are demonstrating that we have just as much hate towards fellow Americans under the guise of political loyalty, and I don't dispute that either.

This thread is about the attacks this morning and how Belgium screwed up. Brussels may be a beautiful city with a long, rich history, but you cannot deny that it has become a breeding ground for islamic extremism and anti-western sentiment. However you feel about muslims in general, I sincerely doubt that you would want to prove your views by walking into their dark corners of Brussels, especially as a Western woman, and just see how nice they are to you.

I have my own independent views, but I cannot for the life of me understand why liberals are stomping on the faces of western right wingers to cater to the most hardcore group of fundamental conservatives on the planet, bar none. These people don't believe in womens' rights at all, have almost zero cognizance of civil liberties, freedom of speech, or any sort of social equality. And they want the rest of the world to be just like them.

 

[soupkitchen]

this is why i don't chuck a deuce to everyone on a bike....or in a 4runner.

they could be rapist with a hobby.

 

[hikenbike]

I started this so we can discuss like civil human beings and make intelligent statements

Show me one thread in Off Topics where that's happened.

You could start a thread here about the nocturnal behavior of giraffes in Africa and after about 15 posts it will end up being all about Obama, Bush, Trump, guns, government, and racists......but I admire you for trying.

 

[flighht2k5]

http://youtu.be/-LGzrYUGXdI

 

[HerT4R]

I would define openly hostile as this: extremist cells that publicly call for the capitulation of the western world to fundamental islam, who planned and executed the bombings in Paris, and now in Brussels- killing several hundred innocent civilians. That has not happened in American cities as far as I am aware.

I understand that you are trying to make it clear that not all muslims are terrorists. I don't think anybody is actually saying that. You are demonstrating that we have just as much hate towards fellow Americans under the guise of political loyalty, and I don't dispute that either.

This thread is about the attacks this morning and how Belgium screwed up. Brussels may be a beautiful city with a long, rich history, but you cannot deny that it has become a breeding ground for islamic extremism and anti-western sentiment. However you feel about muslims in general, I sincerely doubt that you would want to prove your views by walking into their dark corners of Brussels, especially as a Western woman, and just see how nice they are to you.

I have my own independent views, but I cannot for the life of me understand why liberals are stomping on the faces of western right wingers to cater to the most hardcore group of fundamental conservatives on the planet, bar none. These people don't believe in womens' rights at all, have almost zero regard to civil liberties, freedom of speech, or any sort of social equality. And they want the rest of the world to be just like them.

i agree im not going walking into any dark corners with extremists of any variety (muslim, nazi, KKK, gun-toting gang members of all kinds, bikers, bloods, etc.) because of self preservation. And because of that you are also right, law enforcement should be rooting out as much of that BS as possible, and here in America i would say they do, for the most part.

the last bit of rhetoric is quite divisive... but i guess i can accept that you see it like that. I wish things were not so red vs blue/republican vs democrat. but i do agree with the fact that they are "the most hardcore group of fundamental conservatives on the planet, bar none. These people don't believe in womens' rights at all, have almost zero regard to civil liberties, freedom of speech, or any sort of social equality. And they want the rest of the world to be just like them."

i guess we also forget they don't just target westerners but anybody who doesnt believe what they believe, muslims and all...

 

[MtnT4R]

Show me one thread in Off Topics where that's happened.

You could start a thread here about the nocturnal behavior of giraffes in Africa and after about 15 posts it will end up being all about Obama, Bush, Trump, guns, government, and racists......but I admire you for trying.

There will always be plenty of trolling in any given thread, but there are quite a few people on here who I believe are highly intelligent and I enjoy reading what they have to say. I don't always agree with what is said, but if its a statement backed up with some sort of source or reference, I am always ready to learn more about different topics and points of view.

 

[ndcent]

There will always be plenty of trolling in any given thread, but there are quite a few people on here who I believe are highly intelligent and I enjoy reading what they have to say. I don't always agree with what is said, but if its a statement backed up with some sort of source or reference, I am always ready to learn more about different topics and points of view.

It's worth noting this thread devolved to partisan bickering in just the second reply, by you guess who...Thai.

ETA - I take responsibility for responding, had I not maybe the poster who wants millions of innocent American liberals dead wouldn't have gone on such a little tissy hissy.

 

[flighht2k5]

It's worth noting this thread devolved to partisan bickering in just the second reply, by you guess who...Thai.

ETA - I take responsibility for responding, had I not maybe the poster who wants millions of innocent American liberals dead wouldn't have gone on such a little tissy hissy.

Man you're still going at it. You can never quit can you? Even when you "take responsibility" you just add another childish attack.
Here let me help you. Since I know these words have never and will never come out of your mouth

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

 

[1engineer]

Show me one thread in Off Topics where that's happened.

You could start a thread here about the nocturnal behavior of giraffes in Africa and after about 15 posts it will end up being all about Obama, Bush, Trump, guns, government, and racists......but I admire you for trying.

I can show you several. I created one awhile back on the effects of pot http://www.toyota-4runner.org/off-topic/132734-effects-pot.html here and it went on for weeks and it remained civil.

The problem, you included, is some of you cannot accept opposing viewpoints. In addition, some of you take everything personal. In addition to that, many of you have a first reaction to bristle and start name calling.

If any of the above points describe you then you should stay out of any political or religious discussion, especially here. Learn to debate a topic or move on.

(mod hat on) Technically anyone who says anything about religion or politics should get an infraction or ban. Since these are current events we let it slide as long as it does not get out of hand. Take heed the words I posted above. (mod hat off)

 

[hikenbike]

There will always be plenty of trolling in any given thread, but there are quite a few people on here who I believe are highly intelligent and I enjoy reading what they have to say. I don't always agree with what is said, but if its a statement backed up with some sort of source or reference, I am always ready to learn more about different topics and points of view.

I will certainly agree with that......source or not. For example, I have a position on guns and on the Apple/FBI issue (and many others like the Ebola one from a while back, etc.) and many of the comments here have shed light on the other side that I could respect and gave me a different perspective that I could appreciate.

........but they all had their healthy share of venom.

 

[Thai]

Girlfriend wanted to take me into central Europe for a birthday treat this weekend...

Either its jut got a lot cheaper, or is called off. :closed_2:

Maybe she has another motive in mind...........:hiding: "Honey, just fly there first...i will catch a later flight."

 

[Thai]

Right! If George Bush was president we wouldn't have any terror attacks. Silly liberals.

What does this have to do with Bush again? Still blaming him for these attacks?

At least you're not saying something stupid like usual...like we don't need to pay attention to these victims because ladders kill more people! :toilet:

And wasn't it YOU who said that these ISIS folks are just a few thugs?

 

[Thai]

I'm confident that our President will put a swift end to the problem with another round of global warming conferences.

But only AFTER visiting a few more mosques to take publicity pictures and tweeting it out....:roadkill:

 

[Thai]

You?re 7 Times More Likely To Be Killed By A Conservative Terrorist Than A Muslim Extremist

Don't forget those darn Home Depot ladders!!! They kill the most!

 

[ndcent]

What does this have to do with Bush again? Still blaming him for these attacks?
?

I suppose Bush doesn't have anything to do with these attacks, just like Obama.

We agree at last

 

[HerT4R]

I mention all of this because I revolt at the kind of revisionist history I see spouted around where people try to blame or imply that the West is just as much at fault or "hey the west invaded them in the past" or whatever. History is complex. The crusades are not the reason for all of these Islamic attacks on the west going back thousands of years.

i didn't say they were. i was simply stating that nobody is blameless. and on that note an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind...

No, we can't all just get along.

i think we can.

I find it surprising that you are so soft on this issue. It is not just ISIS that YOU should be worried about. I've been to "moderate Islamic countries", they are not tolerant. In fact many have death penalties for things in the US we don't even consider a crime. I'd suggest you check out PBS Frontline this week. They are airing a special British/PBS documentary on the Islamic state of Saudi Arabia. Our so called ally.

i am not advocating for sharia law, i very much like democracy, even when it sometimes seems like a big farce. But i would take democracy anyday over a "theocracy".

Look at France. It has been the softest and most open and embracing country in the world on these issues and look how it has turned out for France.

Changing their constitution to strip away rights, loosing their freedom and rights every day, 10,000+ soldiers on the streets even today, no more habeaus corpus, no more right to privacy, all of their rights are being eaten away to deal with terrorism, no sense of safety and yet they still keep their borders OPEN.

that sounds a bit like the patriot act & the NSA (with the exception of soldiers on the street)... but that's a slippery slope topic for another thread.

They don't even know who they are letting in. All we know is over 1 million came into Europe and now there are lethal terror networks spread throughout Europe and they are KILLING EUROPEANS and American families and American soldiers in Europe.

sources please?

and i know you want to send me 10 or so to drive your point home, but how about you pick the best three. Thanks.

also i think im going to ask you to put yourself in their shoes for a second. Say [MENTION=65101]BrianSD_42[/MENTION] you were living in a middle eastern country with your family, minding your own business at a cafe eating with them and BOOOOOM. your wife is dead, your son survives, your daughter is taken away to be a sex slave. What would you do? Stay because its all you know? pack up your life and take your son away anywhere else so he can have a chance at a better life? A lot of these refugees are trying to do just that, they aren't all budding terrorists.

 

[simple]

I love when people mention the crusades as if it somehow justifies or is comparable to 9/11 or Paris or (now) Brussels.

I will lightly ask, how much history do you know?


The West did not just invade the middle east crusading around destroying stuff without any reason. Multiple Islamic empires invaded all the way to Austria, killing countless and burning down all the churches and city centers. The middle east invaded the West multiple times killing and burning everything in their army's path.

I mention all of this because I revolt at the kind of revisionist history I see spouted around where people try to blame or imply that the West is just as much at fault or "hey the west invaded them in the past" or whatever. History is complex. The crusades are not the reason for all of these Islamic attacks on the west going back thousands of years.

Brother, history was written by the victors, and those that survived.

I can't remember where I read it, but I think it was an onion article from like 10yrs ago during the height of the Iraq war, and it was recently brought up again where the author states something to effect of, you think these kids aren't going to grow up and remember who killed their father with a missile or bomb? That dude ****ing nailed it. You talk about the crusades as if it was inconsequential to the development or underdevelopment of nations, ideals, and people.

But what about the literal billions of pounds of explosive and lead we've leveled ****ing far off lands with for the past 14yrs. Those dudes are in a religious war, and we're not. But perception is reality. And they perceive us as fighting against their religion. We're not fighting a religious war, but I can tell you without a doubt I serve with dudes who truly believe they are doing this work in the name of God.

The crusades as justification for 9/11? Yeah ok. But the 15years of us ****ing with other countries and doing nothing but literally shitting on people's lives; people remember that shit. And people are angry.