The Effects of Pot

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I'm a product of the War on Drugs

Living the life here in Northern California, immersed in "the scene," if you will. As we drive down the freeway every fall, the air is aromatic with the smell of bud as you pass certain properties. When people come to get a fire permit from my wife, she frequently catches them looking around and sniffing, as there are two or three neighbors nearby with their own little victory gardens going on. One of my neighbors got busted with over 300 plants last year, but only because he pissed off his neighbors. I know two or three other residences within our neighborhood who have outdoor grows.

But I also have a bit of perspective, having lived in the Midwest and on the East Coast. I remember watching those films on Mary Jane, where they showed slack-mouthed stoners with horrible acne, as well as The Partnership for a Drug Free America's collection of reefer madness wanabees. "This is your brain...." When we moved to California I was terrified that some lodi was going to force me to smoke his pot, big lol! Zits and drool.

In high school I had three close friends. After graduation, they moved on to construction, crack and meth, I went to college in "The Emerald Triangle." They worked 80 hours a week and stole shit to support their habit. I mountain biked and began my daily pot habit, but managed to graduate, and moved to another California town in the foothills. My friends? One just retired by medical from a job as a local cop, another got born again and joined the navy, and the third has disappeared.

So here I am, early 50's, a product of chronic pot smoking. I've read everything I can find on the subject, been immersed in the culture through a couple generations now, and have a few observations....

My brain does not appear to be fried. As this text indicates, I can string a few words together coherently, and yes, I'm high even as I write this. I am in better physical shape than most people I know my age, despite being gym-adverse, with one notable exception.

I had a heart attack when I was 48, one cold morning while out playing airsoft. Cholesterol was not unusually high, but no doubt "snow shovel syndrome" came into play, constricting my arteries. I've also read recently (sorry, no links as this text is taking way too long as it is) that it probably isn't a good idea to smoke pot and then exercise hard, as that also constricts your blood vessels. I've smoked and hiked my entire life, so I wonder if there isn't some truth to this.

Since the heart attack, I've been a regular at the Dr's office, getting everything checked. And they've concluded I'm in excellent shape, full return to all activities pre-heart attack. I'm open about my pot smoking, and they dismiss it as no problemo. When I told them I go on 20 mile hikes at altitude, they said no problem. Martial arts? Go for it! I even spent extra $$$ on second opinions.

So those are my credentials, and here's a few observations:

We don't know enough about it, thanks to it being classified as a Schedule A substance, with attendant restrictions and stigma on research.

Yes, I too fear the effects of pot on developing brains, and kids aren't wise enough to resist. One of my kids is a certified genius, and yet he just got caught smoking pot in the high school bathroom. WTF?!!! He's made all the right choices otherwise, 4.0 GPA even, but WTF? And it seems like any changes it makes to the body will be amplified with time, just as eating well at that age will give you a lifetime of benefits. So are our kids burning through their dopamine at an excessive rate?

And it is addictive, in the form of cravings and sometimes serious irritability when you quit smoking.

I think sobriety is important, also. Too many people are medicated out of emotions, both legally and illegally. We need to feel pain, anger, sadness, AND happiness to be good humans, I think. I believe one of the reasons this nation is so messed up is because so many people are legally medicated. It takes passion to get things fixed sometimes.

Pot smokers are persecuted far more than any other type of drug user. You can take Oxy, get drunk at work, and embezzle from your employer, but that's ok because it was prescribed to you legally after you were hurt in Iraq. But God help you if you get drug tested after an accident at work, and they find THC from that bowl you smoked two weeks ago at your crazy brother in law's house. Pot can last in your system from several days (if you're skinny and only took one hit) to a year or more (if you're fat and smoke all day long). Cocaine, alcohol, similar "hard" drugs are gone in about 3 days. Again, I'm speaking from personal experience.

How does pot affect one's driving? Legal precedent has been set (in Colorado, I believe) stating that different people are impacted in different ways. Some people can smoke an eighth and drive fine. Others have real issues with things like maintaining a constant speed and stop signs. Most statistics cited by the LEO's about accidents while high fail to mention that the bad driver was also drunk. Read the fine print.

And trying to get a job when you're a chronic? Serious stress. And a real problem with finding people you can hire in this part of the country. Part of every interview we held at the County was "Please don't waste our time if you can't pass the drug test."

Pot is good for the local economy. We've had many legal issues here revolving around the County's efforts to make it illegal, so some recent economic studies have been done. Tens of millions of dollars and thousands of jobs (albeit some are seasonal, lol) are tied to the industry in Nevada County. One of our deputy sheriffs acts as a courier between growers and the clubs, I kid you not. Who would mess with him? We have a lot of rednecks paying cash for massive rigs.

Prohibition is expensive and creates more crime. Can we all agree that we learned that from the alcohol prohibition? Nations which legalize pot show a decline in consumption. Google what Portugal did, for example, but there are many other examples.

I was lied to by the authorities all my childhood. As I got older, I learned more and more how much bullshit was involved in the War on Drugs. This was the first time I started distrusting my government, I think. I mean, if they spent all this money and effort lying to me about pot, what else are lying about? I learned to distrust my government.

And those Parternership... ads? Bullshit. They "proved" memory loss by giving the rats something like a joint every 20 minutes, all day. And as soon as the rats sobered up, they regained their cognitive skills. (Same with the cocaine rat commercials.) Someone reenacted the coke experiment recently, giving the rats unlimited access to same. They also gave the rats a large cage with toys, private spaces, and playmates. And the rats didn't do the drugs. Same with the "pot makes you sterile" bullshit. When they quit giving the rats 1000x the normal dose, they were able to get it up again.

Now let's discuss gateway drugs. Again, some personal experience here, working with the experts and teens at alternative high schools. Working and partying with the adults, playing airsoft and video games with the kids. I saw all aspects of the situation, at work and away, because the kids trusted me. The campus cop once called me "the nicest guy in the district," lol, after my oxy-addicted boss called me a "bully."

The true gateway drugs are ritalin and adderall. The schools, doctors, and probation department prescribe that shit like its vitamins. Recent studies have shown that kids are still being prescribed meds which are not indicated for their diagnosed conditions. Problem child? Just throw all the meds at him/her and see what sticks. These drugs are in the same class as meth. So when they come of age and get off their parent's insurance, guess what they go looking for...? Oxy is at epidemic levels here.

Have you heard about the rate of opioid abuse at video game tournaments? My son just wandered through the room as I typed this, and added that adderall is now very common at his school, that teens pop the shit casually before a big test or whatever. My wife, a first responder, has seen heroin and related crap reappear in her response area, a small town of 3000 people up in the mountains. Meanwhile we're helping the warlords guard their opium fields in Afghanistan because we need their support, WTF?

Medical reasons? The only thing that stopped my mother in law from throwing up as she died in one horrible month from cancer, was pot. We gave her edible lemon drops, and she smiled for the first time in a long while, as well as lost her nausea.

It has been demonstrated to prevent glaucoma, which runs in my family, although daily smoking is pretty much indicated for effective results. And there are more than anecdotal accounts of it helping with asthma. Same with certain types of brain tumors. The mean green works miracles with seizures. CBD is the effective component, which you can produce with a plant that doesn't get you high. But until recently it was illegal to research this stuff!

Ok, rant off. This war on drugs is bullshit. Pot good.
 
Interestingly enough, I used to smoke semi-regularly, couple times a week. It was actually very easy to stop. I just decided I didn't enjoy being high so I stopped.
I will say there are times during the winter, when up at the mtns and all my buds are smoking that I'm tempted, but I just recall how it makes me feel and pass to the left.
 
Different people, different reactions

I think some people are allergic to it, or get a far more powerful effect from it than others. And I know a few who quit early on because it made them want to nap all the time. But I do believe that different strains can produce different results, e.g., the creative buzz versus the "in da couch" buzz.

Regarding strains: many people are very serious about things like sanitation, selectively breeding out undesirable traits, and proper accounting of the strains. But there are also a lot of people who just call it whatever comes to mind. And appearance should not be your first reason for selecting a particular bud.

If you do decide to try it, don't drink first. A lot of people have to drink first to work up the nerve, and then spin violently afterwards as a result. Find a nice open meadow on a warm day and go exploring.

Oh, and the kids inform me that only "old guys do smoke." It's all about vaporizers, edibles, dabs, and Jah-knows what else they've come up with, lol. I've been playing with edibles and concentrates, because I am afraid of long term smoking.

Finally, I have smoked with people in every walk of life. It did teach me not to judge people. I have usually tried to be discreet and maintain an alter ego, because of the ramifications, but legalization and concern that it may have contributed to my heart attack makes me want a rational discussion about it. And research. Ok, I think I'm done, carry on.
 
I think some people are allergic to it, or get a far more powerful effect from it than others. And I know a few who quit early on because it made them want to nap all the time. But I do believe that different strains can produce different results, e.g., the creative buzz versus the "in da couch" buzz.

Regarding strains: many people are very serious about things like sanitation, selectively breeding out undesirable traits, and proper accounting of the strains. But there are also a lot of people who just call it whatever comes to mind. And appearance should not be your first reason for selecting a particular bud.

If you do decide to try it, don't drink first. A lot of people have to drink first to work up the nerve, and then spin violently afterwards as a result. Find a nice open meadow on a warm day and go exploring.

Oh, and the kids inform me that only "old guys do smoke." It's all about vaporizers, edibles, dabs, and Jah-knows what else they've come up with, lol. I've been playing with edibles and concentrates, because I am afraid of long term smoking.

Finally, I have smoked with people in every walk of life. It did teach me not to judge people. I have usually tried to be discreet and maintain an alter ego, because of the ramifications, but legalization and concern that it may have contributed to my heart attack makes me want a rational discussion about it. And research. Ok, I think I'm done, carry on.

Interesting. Not sure I've ever heard of links to heart problems. Brain problems? Sure. But not sure there's any evidence of weed having an impact on your heart.

Where I live in the UK, the city practically stinks of it. It's very common and I think most enforcement officers turn a blind eye to it as there are more important things to be policing. Not sure many young people here do edibles, but certainly a lot of smokers. I've seen the take up vary. Some people smoke normally too, others only smoke weed.

You're right, there are some very selective breeders. Like all people that make drugs, you have ones that want to make profit and those that are more focused on the product - think Breaking Bad! Found your comment about mixing with alcohol funny.
 
Old thread, but figured I'd add my experience to it. I recently started to delve into the world of marijuana for medicinal use. Before that, the last time I had any experience was back in high school. For a recreational drug, it just never was my thing.

in December of 2005 I was in a serious head-on car accident. Walked away, but with a lower back injury. Herniated disc with a couple of bulging ones around it. All docs say it's in a bad middle ground where not bad enough to go through surgery, but bad enough to where it just doesn't seem to be solving itself. Outside of the flare ups, the main issue I have with it is sleep. I can only sleep for about 1-2 hrs at a time before I wake up. Which leaves me incredibly tired throughout the day.

Recently I realized that I have been on some sort of prescription medication since 2005 and was done with it. So, I've been delving into the world of medical use. So far I've been using a tincture which I take at night as well as use a CBD oil for both my back and mainly my knees (have had 4 knee surgeries and putting off a 5th). It all seems to be helping. With the tincture, I get better than average sleep and don't wake up in a druggy fog that almost all the meds I was prescribed would leave me in. And the oil seems to really help as well. Especially with the knees.

Now, this could all be some placebo effect, but I'll take it either way for as long as it does work!
 
Old thread, but figured I'd add my experience to it. I recently started to delve into the world of marijuana for medicinal use. Before that, the last time I had any experience was back in high school. For a recreational drug, it just never was my thing.

in December of 2005 I was in a serious head-on car accident. Walked away, but with a lower back injury. Herniated disc with a couple of bulging ones around it. All docs say it's in a bad middle ground where not bad enough to go through surgery, but bad enough to where it just doesn't seem to be solving itself. Outside of the flare ups, the main issue I have with it is sleep. I can only sleep for about 1-2 hrs at a time before I wake up. Which leaves me incredibly tired throughout the day.

Recently I realized that I have been on some sort of prescription medication since 2005 and was done with it. So, I've been delving into the world of medical use. So far I've been using a tincture which I take at night as well as use a CBD oil for both my back and mainly my knees (have had 4 knee surgeries and putting off a 5th). It all seems to be helping. With the tincture, I get better than average sleep and don't wake up in a druggy fog that almost all the meds I was prescribed would leave me in. And the oil seems to really help as well. Especially with the knees.

Now, this could all be some placebo effect, but I'll take it either way for as long as it does work!

It's not placebo, it's medicine. Proven and safe medicine.

I didn't sleep for more than 45 minutes to an hour at a time for years, as well as living in elevated chronic pain and cannabis products are the only things that helped pain, sleep, mood regulation, sometimes appetite... I've long since written-off the institutionalized "medical system" 100% and never looked back. Nice to know it's there if a truck hits me or something but otherwise it's worthless as far as I'm concerned after having it fail me for almost 60 years and almost kill me once.

Many doctors, nurses, people that really should be competent, lend greater meaning to the word "practicing" when used to describe their mandate. Some of them will probably never do it for real.

Try using your CBD tincture with .5 - 1ml of hash (THC) oil and hour or two before bed for even better results, the two complement each other wonderfully. However, the THC (if used) will require you to play with your dose to find the ideal (people usually start with a small, less than rice grain-sized dollop and go from there) and my leave a bit of a "hangover" the next morning. This may also cause issues with work if applicable due to some companies randomly "drug testing", etc., whereby someone can smoke crack all weekend and have it out of their system in two days but if you smoked a joint or ingested some oil last week, you're hooped.

Good CBD tincture is worth it's weight in gold but glad it's more affordable.

There are also strong topical cannabis-based analgesics produced now that can be applied like Tiger Balm, might help your back a bit also.

From one banged-up guy to another, good luck.
 
How about these new/newer distillate oil pens? 90% + THC in a discrete and easy to use pen!

About as close you can get to ripping a dab rig with none of the hassle, they're fantastic - though def only for experienced users.
 
The tincture I have is a mix of CBD and THC leaning more on the CBD side. The CBD oil I have is topical. I have to time it right when I run out because they sell out of it quick. They say all us older folks clean out the shelves of it.
 
How about these new/newer distillate oil pens? 90% + THC in a discrete and easy to use pen!

About as close you can get to ripping a dab rig with none of the hassle, they're fantastic - though def only for experienced users.

I have a friend who uses one of them. He seems to really like it.
 
Decarbed c02 oil from a sustainable grow, is perfect medicine for sleep, anxiety and pain. Taken orally for sleep and anxiety, applied topically for localized pain. I think one of the biggest issues coming up will be the “Philip Morris “ types, pushing the malt liquor of cannibis to stoners and keeping out the real medicine for patients. I believe the primary reason for legalization/decriminalization should be medically driven and not just folks getting high. I enjoy getting high, but think it best not to have the intoxicating benefit be the face of the progression towards safer meds and methods.
 
Sure I'll play. I used to smoke weed. A lot. Only stopped due to getting a new job that tests and I don't feel like cheating so I stopped... More on that in a sec.

I have a friend's father with terrible back pain. Takes opioid pain meds every day to combat it. He was curious about weed and his main concern was "I don't want it to just mask the pain, I want there to be no more pain..." To which I replied "what's the difference?" To my limited knowledge, opioids work by blocking pain receptors somewhere and hence, "trick" your body into feeling better. The pain is still there but it never gets experienced as pain thru the brain. I would further argue weed does the same: it lets your mind release the connection of interpreted pain and allows you to be more comfortable. Therefore, both do the same thing in different ways so it would then come down to side effects. Everyone knows what they are.

Back to what I started with. I also stopped because weed became my escape. I found myself looking more forward to getting loaded than spending time with my family. That realization make quitting a lot easier. Mental addiction of weed is a reality.

Aside from that, I never found myself any less productive stoned. In fact, my focus level would increase astronomically. I had an almost super human ability to analyze situations and solve problems. Creativity was through the roof. Sort of felt like the dude from the movie Limitless. What pot did for me was unlock the subconscious and brought it into the conscious. Hard to explain. And I think that effect is what allows for its healing properties. There is something to be said about the power of the mind. I know doctors and scientists don't agree, but until they can tangibly prove consciousness and the ins and outs of it, they can't disprove it much either. Their focus is on the tangible, which is the body and brain. The mind (consciousness) is floating around in a different arena.

That makes me want to smoke again now hahha
 
July 3, 2018

Regular Marijuana Use Tied to Risk for Respiratory Symptoms

By Kelly Young

Edited by David G. Fairchild, MD, MPH, and Jaye Elizabeth Hefner, MD

People who regularly smoke marijuana are at increased risk for certain respiratory symptoms, according to a meta-analysis in the Annals of Internal Medicine.

Researchers analyzed 22 studies in which people aged 12 years and up who had used marijuana on at least 30 days were compared with nonsmokers. Overall, marijuana use was associated with increased risks for cough, sputum production, and wheezing. The researchers say use more than once a week for a least a year may pose these risks.

There were no consistent associations with chronic bronchitis or measures of lung function, such as forced expiratory volume in 1 second (FEV1). The authors advise interpreting the latter results with caution since with tobacco, a decline in lung function typically isn't apparent until after 5 to 10 pack-years of smoking.
 
June 22, 2018

Cannabis Worsens Mood and Anxiety Disorders in the Long Run

Peter Roy-Byrne, MD reviewing Mammen G et al. J Clin Psychiatry 2018

A systematic review of 12 longitudinal studies associates greater cannabis use with poorer symptomatic outcomes in patients with wide-ranging anxiety and mood diagnoses.

Higher rates of marijuana use in individuals with mood and anxiety disorders have been attributed to the self-medication of symptoms. Although the intoxicating effects of marijuana may well produce immediate symptom improvement, effects on long-term symptom course are less clear. These researchers systematically reviewed 12 longitudinal studies in 11,959 patients with post-traumatic stress disorder, panic disorder, bipolar disorder, or major depression to determine the effect of cannabis use in ≤6 months before study entry on later outcomes (follow-up, 2.5–60 months).

Most patients were undergoing psychiatric treatment. Across studies, cannabis use ranged from once in the previous month to cannabis use disorder. For each diagnosis, most studies showed that cannabis users had more-severe symptoms and lower rates of remission than less-frequent users or nonusers. Some studies showed links between stopping use and symptom improvement.

COMMENT
As the authors note, cannabis use in individuals with mood and anxiety symptoms seems to be a “Band-Aid” strategy that may temporarily improve acute symptoms while worsening outcomes in the long run. Absolutely no study suggests cannabis use as a viable therapeutic strategy for anxiety and depression. This review is limited by the preponderance of observational studies; the absence of other anxiety diagnoses; little discrimination between low, moderate, and heavy cannabis use; an inability to determine composition of cannabis (tetrahydrocannabinol and cannabidiol); and residual confounding. Nonetheless, the implication for clinicians treating patients with mood and anxiety disorders seems clear: Ongoing use that is more than occasional would likely hurt therapeutic outcomes, and cessation or marked reduction of use to at most weekly would likely improve them.
 
June 4, 2018

THC Promotes False Memories

Steven Dubovsky, MD reviewing Doss MK et al. Biol Psychiatry 2018 May 9

THC used during retrieval of previously learned material was associated with the false recognition of words and images.

Has the increasing use of marijuana for disorders involving emotional recall such as post-traumatic stress disorder been adequately studied? These researchers tested recall of previously learned material in 23 healthy people aged 18 to 29 with and without tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), a primary cannabis component.

During an encoding session, participants viewed and rated the degree of arousal from different emotionally negative, neutral, and positive phrases, half of which were followed by a corresponding picture. They then learned lists of words, which they rated as pleasant or unpleasant. Two days after the encoding session, participants were randomized to oral THC or placebo and, 2 hours later (to allow for drug absorption), were tested for whether they definitely remembered (along with associated details) or just “knew” that they had seen pictures at the encoding session and whether they definitely remembered words from the lists. Five days later, participants were crossed over to the other arm.

In within-subject analyses, THC did not affect recall of words or pictures that had been presented at the encoding session, but it did increase false recognition of words and pictures that had not been presented, regardless of their emotional charge. The degree of false recognition was correlated with the subjective effect of THC.

COMMENT
In previous research, THC used during encoding impaired memory acquisition. The current study results suggest that THC used during memory retrieval might increase the likelihood of memories that did not actually occur. Because medical marijuana has variable proportions of THC and cannabidiol, its net impact on memory is unclear. Still, caution is warranted before widespread adoption of cannabis-assisted psychotherapy when accurate recall is essential.
 
August 27, 2018

Pediatrics Group Warns Breast-Feeding Moms to Steer Clear of Marijuana

By Kelly Young

Edited by André Sofair, MD, MPH

The American Academy of Pediatrics is warning mothers not to use marijuana while breast-feeding.

In addition, the group recommends in Pediatrics that clinicians inform women who are considering having a child or who are of reproductive age about the lack of evidence and existing concerns about possible side effects of marijuana use on fetal, infant, and childhood development.

All adolescent and young women should be advised to avoid using marijuana if they become pregnant. Women who use marijuana or other products containing cannabinoids to treat nausea and vomiting in pregnancy should be offered alternatives with proven safety records.

The guidance is published in conjunction with a study of 50 breast-feeding mothers who used marijuana. Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) was detected in nearly two thirds of breast milk samples and up to 6 days since the last marijuana exposure.

An editorialist concludes that this study supports the above recommendations.
 
Thai its really unfair that you only posting facts which don't encourage weed use. Can't you find some facts that support what people want to hear?

Remember: Truth Isn't Truth.

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Well it's somewhat laughable that psychiatrists postulate on the virtually benign affects of cannabis while concurrently use harmful psychoactive drugs on patients in the process of administering their subjective, somewhat fake "science", that kills people. Mostly due to reactions from voluntary or involuntary withdraw.

All the while mothers inoculate and vaccinate their children numerous times before the age of two with bonafide poisons like cycles of flu shots, feed their babies commercially-produced baby food with aspartame in it and then commit them to government indoctrination camps for 12 years after likely having a nanny raise their kid prior to that because they're too busy working? All encouraged by society at large and 4 out of 5 doctors...

Not saying that women shouldn't be careful when pregnant and later breastfeeding, all vaccines are bad, that people can't benefit from psychological help or that all parents are incompetent, etc., etc. Just saying that the "medical system" and pharmaceutical industry are corrupt to a larger extent than they should be and are businesses after all, like most if not all so-called "pillars" of our modern "civilization".

Tell me Thai, are you directly and professionally involved in the medical field somehow?
 
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Well it's somewhat laughable that psychiatrists postulate on the virtually benign affects of cannabis while concurrently use harmful psychoactive drugs on patients in the process of administering their subjective, somewhat fake "science", that kills people. Mostly due to reactions from voluntary or involuntary withdraw.

All the while mothers inoculate and vaccinate their children numerous times before the age of two with bonafide poisons like cycles of flu shots, feed their babies commercially-produced baby food with aspartame in it and then commit them to government indoctrination camps for 12 years after likely having a nanny raise their kid prior to that because they're too busy working? All encouraged by society at large and 4 out of 5 doctors...

Not saying that women shouldn't be careful when pregnant and later breastfeeding, all vaccines are bad, that people can't benefit from psychological help or that all parents are incompetent, etc., etc. Just saying that the "medical system" and pharmaceutical industry are corrupt to a larger extent than they should be and are businesses after all, like most if not all so-called "pillars" of our modern "civilization".

Tell me Thai, are you directly and professionally involved in the medical field somehow?

I am in the medical field. I am NOT associated with any pharmaceutical stuff of any kind. (I actually dislike drug reps.)

Sorry if you had a bad experience with the medical field. It happens. Just like any other career field, there can be some bad apples and some slimballs that don’t follow the Hippocratic Oath.

As for the system being corrupt, i don’t share your opinion on the matter. But you’re welcome to that opinion. Nothing i say will change your mind.
 
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