The Eternal Question: V6 vs V8....

I live in the mountains in CO (9000' above sea level!), and have pulled many a loaded trailer up here, trailers that weighed a few tons loaded. I have no complaints whatsoever about the V6, I can't say I've ever found myself wanting for sufficient power to keep-up or even ahead of traffic. and would never trade it for a V8 solely for the engine. Since I don't even haul so much cargo anymore (I used to be in the surplus business), I especially wouldn't trade for a less economical engine just for more power.

Well, I grew up in CO and drove up and down the mountains to go skiing and climb 14ners. When I was in college I had a 96 4Runner and always felt frustrated with the lack of power driving up and back on I-70. I was super close to buying a TRD supercharger to get some more power, but decided against it.

I haven't driven a 4th V6 4Runner in the mountains, but I suspect the power is greatly improved over the 3rd gen. 4Runner, so maybe that increase in power is all it takes. However, when I took my 4Runner out there a few weeks ago on vacation, it KICKED ASS going up and down the mountains. There's just something about easily passing everyone else when going up a mountain pass that just makes you feel good!
 
This is a troll feeding forum. :) It is meant to goad people into wars because it is all personal preference.

The 4th gen's handle hills better than a 3rd, the 3rd better than my old 3.0 v6...

Which handled a hill far better than my ole 80's Subaru I had that couldn't go up a hill, on the freeway, in 5th. I had to pop down to 4th and sometimes 3rd. It had something like 90 hp. Weak...

I bet if I were to drive a new Subaru I would be surprised how much better they do. I believe that is refereed to as "innovation".
 
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To be fair: Those are not realistic numbers. The EPA reformulated the method for calculating MPG in 09 or 10 due to the utter unreliability in the numbers.

On the old method, you are more likely to get the lower number than the upper. When recalculated, using the new method, most cars fell by a large percentage from their "original" calculated MPG.

For example:
Compare Old and New MPG Estimates

You can see what old and new looked like.

22, ha! Yea right.
 
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I get about 17 or so mpg in mixed driving. Because I am running 255/75/17 tires without recalibrating, my dash readout is much less optimistic (usually says 17.7-18) so I can use it to see how much my driving style affects things.

I test drove a V6 and a V8 before buying and i went with the V8, what does that tell you? Also, I just don't like the V6 exhaust note, just sounds crappy compared to the "music" of a V8.

And 22-23 mpg with a V8? Haha, not on a highway, not anywhere. (Well maybe doing 45 on a highway with cars blowing by you...)
 
To be fair: Those are not realistic numbers. The EPA reformulated the method for calculating MPG in 09 or 10 due to the utter unreliability in the numbers.

On the old method, you are more likely to get the lower number than the upper. When recalculated, using the new method, most cars fell by a large percentage from their "original" calculated MPG.

For example:
Compare Old and New MPG Estimates

You can see what old and new looked like.

22, ha! Yea right.

I'm aware of the change as my post on page two indicates.

The point is that the reasonable range of possibilities is pretty wide. Extreme examples within that range should not be unexpected from time to time on a forum with tens of thousands of readers.

You know, bell curve stuff. Something I know you appreciate.
 
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To Each His Own

I had my 2005 V8 for 3 years and loved it dearly. The motor was incredible. I drove mostly backroads to and from work and had a lifetime average of 14.6 mpg. The only reason I bought the V8 was because I bought it in 2008 after gas prices went to $5 per gallon in Connecticut. The 4runner sat on the dealer lot the entire summer and I bought it for a song. I used it to tow our families boat twice a year and occasional other items. Proved itself a reliable, comfortable alternative to a fullsize or midsize truck.

It worked well for me until my needs changed. My wife and I decided to start a family at the same time that my commute went from 10 miles each way to 35 miles each way. All of a sudden it was very impractial for us to own. It was approaching the 90k mile service and was showing signs of cracked exhause manifolds so we felt it was best to trade it in and purchased a Honda Pilot. I really like the pilot but a 4runner it is not.

Originally I saw myself owning the 4runner for 10-15 years but its tough to anticipate the future needs of a vehicle when you are 21 years old. Maybe if I had purchased the V6, we would have been able to keep it.

Life and needs can change and its best to decide whats best for you and your wife as far into the future as you can regardless of our opinions. Good luck with the search and I hope you enjoy your prospective 4th Gen as much as we enjoyed ours.
 
I now own both a V8 & a V6. The V6 is a limited and is a very nice ride but after driving my new to me V8 I can honestly say I prefer it. The V8 (SR5) simply seems smoother and has what seems like a limitless amount of low end torque. By smoother I mean the tranny's shift points. Maybe it's just my V6 but the V8 fits me better.
 
I now own both a V8 & a V6. The V6 is a limited and is a very nice ride but after driving my new to me V8 I can honestly say I prefer it. The V8 (SR5) simply seems smoother and has what seems like a limitless amount of low end torque. By smoother I mean the tranny's shift points. Maybe it's just my V6 but the V8 fits me better.

Didn't know Toyota made a v6 limited bud...
 
I'm aware of the change as my post on page two indicates.

The point is that the reasonable range of possibilities is pretty wide. Extreme examples within that range should not be unexpected from time to time on a forum with tens of thousands of readers.

You know, bell curve stuff. Something I know you appreciate.

Well, if you want to be exact; data that falls outside of a developed curve; that being an extreme example, is usually ignored due to the unreliability of such a data point. Extreme examples tend to be the result of some amount of spurious data (unknown/unrelated/1 off occurance) and since they impact the reliability of a prediction, they are thus eliminated.

For example, the reason they modified the method for MPG calculation is due to the extreme unreliability in the model. A vehicle tested at static, say on a dyno, absent any real life characteristics is a wholly worthless determinate.

I have no doubt that there are a possible occurance of events that could lead the occasional mpg above the determined curve, but I also consider the variables at play to be so numerous and so incalculable as to render that example not predictable.

In short, driving down a steep hill, in N for 4 miles may very well give someone a MPG rating far exceeding 18 mpg.... that doesn't make it a useful example.


This isn't to say 22 mpg on the v8 isn't possible, in particular the 2005 and above VVTi which were able to gain a minor MPG gain; I just haven't seen much data to support the realistic use of that. Extremes are extremes for a reason. Extremes are not useful because they pull the wrong conclusion.

I do not personally consider extreme examples that fall outside of the curve (which 22 is, well outside of) to be accurate representations of data. That is the entire point of a curve and understanding standard deviation and a confidence interval.

This doesn't mean impossible, as it is rare to say "impossible". Instead it means highly improbable and not supported by the data. It means that all those little things that destroy data reliability LIKE:
Spurious data (Illegitimate, incorrect)
Unknown Variables (Variables at play unaccounted for)
Confirmation Bias (A BIGGIE. The desire of the person to make something occur)

There are more, but these are the biggies. When you move far outside the confidence interval, those results are HIGHLY suspect and usually the result of error (whether intentional or otherwise).

This doesn't mean you can't pull some insane mythbusters hypermiling and manage extreme results. It just means that in terms of practical mileage, it is not a legit result.

The new MPG ratings ARE far more accurate than the previous. 22mpg isn't impossible, you are right; I won't say impossible. I just have to say, highly improbable and I am more likely to suspect something else at play.
 
I have the V8 and I love it. I was looking for a V6 but got a sweet deal on my SR5 with 76K and couldn't pass it up. I average about 14-15 city and 17-18 highway. Not great, but the power is awesome. The V8 is a proven Lexus motor with great reliability. Toyota used the same engine in the Tundra, Sequoia, Land Cruiser, LX470, and GX470. Coupled with the full time 4WD, the V8 T4R is basically a poor-man's Land Cruiser. My buddy has a 2000 Tundra with just over 250k miles, no issues. I recommend the V8, as you will not get much better gas mileage with the V6 4WD. At the end of the day, you're still driving a 4000+ lb SUV. FYI, I can do donuts in the dirt/mud by locking the center diff in 4HI.
 
V6 : V8

Cayman : 911

Nice analogy. Having driven all but the Cayman recently, I'm gonna have to vote 911. :zoom:

But as for v6 vs v8; definitely v8. The difference in torque is worth the 1-2 mpg sacrifice.

Are there any forum statistics on how many times this topic has been debated?:whipping2
 
Nice analogy. Having driven all but the Cayman recently, I'm gonna have to vote 911. :zoom:

But as for v6 vs v8; definitely v8. The difference in torque is worth the 1-2 mpg sacrifice.

Are there any forum statistics on how many times this topic has been debated?:whipping2

And it's not just the numbers.... The 2uzfe is so smooth and effortless in comparison to the v6.
 
Are you sure? All fourth gen limiteds are v8 and awd. If not news to me.

Positive. The majority of them are V8s but toyota did that because when you buy a limited, ans put the more expensive V8 in it, Toyota is getting more money, but yes they make a Limited V6. When I was shopping I saw some of them.
 

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