The New Ford Bronco Debut Ad Nauseam - 8pm Eastern, July 13, 2020

[Bumbo]

I think the Limited has it unless I am mistaken.

It does... and it works well. You can lock/unlock the car by touching the door handle, and start the car, without ever having to remove the key or fob from your pocket.

It's pretty nice, once you have it, you don't really want to go back.

 

[thennen]

It does... and it works well. You can lock/unlock the car by touching the door handle, and start the car, without ever having to remove the key or fob from your pocket.

It's pretty nice, once you have it, you don't really want to go back.

So pushbutton start is about more than pushing a button to start the engine? It does other things?

 

[Bumbo]

So pushbutton start is about more than pushing a button to start the engine? It does other things?

Yes, aside from starting the engine, it includes being able to lock/unlock by just touching a spot on the door handle.

You can also unlock and open the rear lift gate, and roll the windows up/down from outside without messing with the key fob.

 

[LandCruiser]

Yes, aside from starting the engine, it includes being able to lock/unlock by just touching a spot on the hand on the door handle.

You can also unlock and open the rear lift gate, and roll the windows up/down from outside without messing with the key fob.

That's one of those things that's great when you have a full warranty and turns into an endless headache once you're in year 7 or 8 of ownership.

 

[thennen]

Yes, aside from starting the engine, it includes being able to lock/unlock by just touching a spot on the hand on the door handle.

You can also unlock and open the rear lift gate, and roll the windows up/down from outside without messing with the key fob.

Did not know that. It makes more sense now why someone would want that. I figured, what's the big deal about pushing a button versus turning a key to start? Now I know there's more to it. Thanks.

 

[Bumbo]

That's one of those things that's great when you have a full warranty and turns into an endless headache once you're in year 7 or 8 of ownership.

We shall see... I got a 2016, I’ll let you know in 4 years. So far so good.

 

[LandCruiser]

We shall see... I got a 2016, I’ll let you know in 4 years. So far so good.

I'm guessing you'll be fine. Extreme cold and salt seems to destroy the shit plastics and door servos in these things.

 

[Bumbo]

I'm guessing you'll be fine. Extreme cold and salt seems to destroy the shit plastics and door servos in these things.

You bring up a good point, location matters.

Our 4th gen has made it 16 years without any issuing to the locking electronics or door servos, but it's also spent most of it's life in southern CA with a few years in Oregon.

 

[Jetboy]

FWIW - I have never had a door lock or window actuator failure on any Toyota I've ever owned. My last 4Runner made it 220k miles without any issues with any of those things. My current RX350 push button start has been flawless other than occasional fob battery replacements. It's now 10 years old and 100k miles. I really like the ease of use. Unlocks at the touch of the door handle. Locks by touching the handle lock area. No keys bouncing on my knee while I drive. And the key is a little smaller in my pocket.

I have had issues in other brands. Especially Honda/Acura cars I had in the 2000's had both window and door lock issues.

 

[LandCruiser]

FWIW - I have never had a door lock or window actuator failure on any Toyota I've ever owned. My last 4Runner made it 220k miles without any issues with any of those things. My current RX350 push button start has been flawless other than occasional fob battery replacements. It's now 10 years old and 100k miles. I really like the ease of use. Unlocks at the touch of the door handle. Locks by touching the handle lock area. No keys bouncing on my knee while I drive. And the key is a little smaller in my pocket.

I have had issues in other brands. Especially Honda/Acura cars I had in the 2000's had both window and door lock issues.

I've had failures in all four doors in my 2013 and the one I had replaced in the driver's door under WARRANTY failed AGAIN and the one I replaced myself in the passenger door is also failing AGAIN.

I have no damn clue why it's happening. This thing lived outdoors in CO for 7 years, which sucks as bad as Utard in terms of climate.

 

[Bob Laublaw]

Bronco has shot up my shortlist of next vehicles to the #1 spot, tied with the 4Runner.

The 2.7 is the same engine the use in hundreds of thousands of F150s. And those things are not down on power one bit. The 10 speed is also a fantastic transmission.

It's going to boil down to the details. Dumb things like the rear seats not having HVAC vents in the console like the 4Runner does. Well...It seems dumb...Until you have kids back there and it's 100 degrees with 90% humidity. Manual transmission with crawler gear only available on 4 cylinder, and a few other things may break the deal.

 

[dmk08]

Push start and touchless entry are standard on pretty much everything these days including most Toyotas. Our 18 Highlander has it.

In 2020 its now in Limiteds, TRD ORP, and TRD pro I believe.

Still works flawlessly on my 06 Lexus. I don't think longevity is an issue. If the battery dies there is a hidden mechanical key in the fob and a physical lock on the bottom of the door handle.

Once you live the never taking your key out of your pocket life its hard to turn back. If you never had it you just don't know how money it is.

 

[Bob Laublaw]

Looks like they had 230,000 people send $100 and reserve one. That is...Well...That's a LOT.

Chevy is looking at that fine T-bone of a Bronco, then back at their vegan Blazer and saying...Oof.

 

[Jetboy]

I've had failures in all four doors in my 2013 and the one I had replaced in the driver's door under WARRANTY failed AGAIN and the one I replaced myself in the passenger door is also failing AGAIN.

I have no damn clue why it's happening. This thing lived outdoors in CO for 7 years, which sucks as bad as Utard in terms of climate.

That seems really odd. Like maybe there's something else wrong with a sensor that keeps trying to lock them over and over when they're already locked. I had that happen once with an aftermarket remote start in a Suburban I owned. Kept having dead battery and random issues with the alarm. Working in the garage I started hearing it cycle the locks every so often trying to re-lock them.

I'd be really frustrated with that situation too. They should be pretty much totally protected inside the doors from the elements other than temperature. And they should be spec'd for any temps you'll normally see.

 

[Jetboy]

Bronco has shot up my shortlist of next vehicles to the #1 spot, tied with the 4Runner.

The 2.7 is the same engine the use in hundreds of thousands of F150s. And those things are not down on power one bit. The 10 speed is also a fantastic transmission.

It's going to boil down to the details. Dumb things like the rear seats not having HVAC vents in the console like the 4Runner does. Well...It seems dumb...Until you have kids back there and it's 100 degrees with 90% humidity. Manual transmission with crawler gear only available on 4 cylinder, and a few other things may break the deal.

At least not at first... the Raptor's turbo 6 has been known to lose power over time at a fairly significant level. 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor Reliability: 40,000 Mile Long-Term Test

A quick search of the F150 forum seems to pull up some similar experiences.

Gives me some pause. But... also I like the overall idea of the v6 turbo as the ideal power plant for that vehicle. Just buy the extended warranty? Not sure.

 

[CO-Cygnus]

At least not at first... the Raptor's turbo 6 has been known to lose power over time at a fairly significant level. 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor Reliability: 40,000 Mile Long-Term Test

A quick search of the F150 forum seems to pull up some similar experiences.

Gives me some pause. But... also I like the overall idea of the v6 turbo as the ideal power plant for that vehicle. Just buy the extended warranty? Not sure.

Extended warranty + some other company that's NOT Ford. I'll be the first in line to put money down if the new 4R has a Turbo 6.

 

[Bob Laublaw]

At least not at first... the Raptor's turbo 6 has been known to lose power over time at a fairly significant level. 2017 Ford F-150 Raptor Reliability: 40,000 Mile Long-Term Test

A quick search of the F150 forum seems to pull up some similar experiences.

Gives me some pause. But... also I like the overall idea of the v6 turbo as the ideal power plant for that vehicle. Just buy the extended warranty? Not sure.

Different engine.

I'm not overly concerned about it. It's an extensively tested and reliable setup. And I keep my daily for 7-8 years tops.

325/400 hp/tq in a package that's barely bigger than a Wrangler is going to be pretty great.

 

[Thai]

For those interested and apparently you guys plan on off-roading, why not consider Dodge PowerWagon? Price around same as Bronco 1st edition. PW is bigger, yes, but far more useful and very capable in a proven Dodge 2500 platform.

 

[Ogre75]

For those interested and apparently you guys plan on off-roading, why not consider Dodge PowerWagon? Price around same as Bronco 1st edition. PW is bigger, yes, but far more useful and very capable in a proven Dodge 2500 platform.

proven Dodge 2500 platform:drum:

 

[Bob Laublaw]

For those interested and apparently you guys plan on off-roading, why not consider Dodge PowerWagon? Price around same as Bronco 1st edition. PW is bigger, yes, but far more useful and very capable in a proven Dodge 2500 platform.

Same reason I'm not in a Raptor. Because it's the size of Delaware.