RichinRidgewood
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Like Ogre said, it's to determine how close the tire is moving into the wheel well
The New Ford Bronco Debut Ad Nauseam - 8pm Eastern, July 13, 2020
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RichinRidgewood
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That's because it was designed by a Designer and an Engineer who have little or no experience with off roading. Neither of them probably work on their own cars either.
Thai
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OK........but couldn't you test articulation at the factory? It is not rocket science...you know length of control arms and shocks.....and you know how thick the bumpstops are.....etc.
Remember, this is very late in development stage...the car is coming out in less than a year. For them to have bolts sticking out or wondering where tires rubs...that's kinda scary, no?
thennen
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Thankfully, I don't want one ;-)
CO-Cygnus
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Yes... BUT, and I'll give them some credit here, I always think a good field test is worthwhile. Whether this should be happening so late in development is another question though.
Thai
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Fair. I have one more question........those tires are 33” i think. And they are wondering if it will rub. There is factory option for 35” with Sasquash package. :bolt:
Inv4drZm
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I'm mainly curious on what the uber-builds would look like. Since it's Ford it should receive some pretty good attention and money similar to Jeep in that you'll see some ridiculously good trail machines.
They way the Bronco differs from Jeep is that it has IFS like the 4Runner. I'm curious if the uber builds will try and ditch the IFS or try and build it stronger, in which case it could give Toyota guys some good ideas.
They way the Bronco differs from Jeep is that it has IFS like the 4Runner. I'm curious if the uber builds will try and ditch the IFS or try and build it stronger, in which case it could give Toyota guys some good ideas.
I was assuming that the Bronco design team had deep off-roading experience. That may be mostly true but the bolts are a head-scratcher. Maybe they can be reversed but realistically, I do not think this is a true competitor to the Wrangler and not built for crawling at all. This is more an overlander like the other few IFS SUVs out there. So then then things like bolts and articulation do not matter as much. Fitting 33s stock is a good base for overloading.
RichinRidgewood
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It wouldn't be done at the factory. It would be done at Building 4 in Dearborn MI on a "7 poster" (formerly a 4 poster)
7 post shaker - Wikipedia
They could do a simulated durability test on one of these however the tires would not be spinning or they might not even be on the vehicle. Basically these things play a file that was collected on an instrumented truck and they play that file over and over again. If shit wears out and things move around or for example the gas tank brackets fail and the tank falls out you can see it here in a short amount of time. The important thing is to have a good and aggressive enough file from a durability route that in this case would have to be something off-road.
The vehicle would also have to pass their Truck Durability Test. Rubbing should have shown up there as well however since they sold the Yuca Arizona Proving Grounds (APG) to Chrysler when they were about to go bankrupt they now use the Volvo one in Whittman AZ they kept after selling Volvo. I heard it blows compared to APG. The Truck Durability Test might not even be harsh enough to get the tires that far up into the wheel wells. By this time I would think that they would have written an Off-Road Truck Test plan to simulate off-roading. (there's an idea for someone at Ford to follow up on)
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RichinRidgewood
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BTW, you people need to mortgage your houses and buy a lot of these Broncos. Each and every one of you buy at least 2. Ford needs to stay healthy so I can get my full pension.
Take them mud bogging, jump off parking structures and try to land on a McDonalds, drive them on the beach when the tide is coming in, make a video of them with twin 50 cals mounted on them so they sell in the Middle East etc.
Take them mud bogging, jump off parking structures and try to land on a McDonalds, drive them on the beach when the tide is coming in, make a video of them with twin 50 cals mounted on them so they sell in the Middle East etc.
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RichinRidgewood
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“Ford is betting big on Bronco revival”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3sfHFo4NI8&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3sfHFo4NI8&feature=youtu.be
Safe bet. Anything close to crossover, SUV or truck will sell... unlike their cars, aside from the maybe the mustang or focus
thennen
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Ford is making only two cars today - Mustang and Fusion. Just FYI.
Bikeric
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What year is your Tacoma that had the early issues? Was it built in San Antonio or Tijuana? The 4Runners are thankfully still built in Japan.
JAXJeremy
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This topic has been much discussed on the other forum I belong to which is dedicated to the fullsize Bronco..Initially there were a lot of haters on the new rendering, but I'd say they're starting to grow on people. Myself included.Ford has done a pretty masterful job on the marketing side and I'll give them credit as well for taking them out on the trail and beating the piss out of them..They come with a crap ton of cool features, but as it's a Ford, I'd question the long term reliabilty..
One on the Escalator, Moab.
2021 Ford Bronco Testing | Escalator at Hell's Revenge | Moab, Utah - YouTube
and Hells Revenge.
2021 Ford Bronco Testing | Hell's Revenge Part 1 | The Bronco Nation - YouTube
They're certainly not inexpensive, but that's pretty good offroad performance for something right out of the box and I bet it's going to take a bite from Jeep..the question is can the production keep up with the demand..for that we'll have to wait until next year to find out..
One on the Escalator, Moab.
2021 Ford Bronco Testing | Escalator at Hell's Revenge | Moab, Utah - YouTube
and Hells Revenge.
2021 Ford Bronco Testing | Hell's Revenge Part 1 | The Bronco Nation - YouTube
They're certainly not inexpensive, but that's pretty good offroad performance for something right out of the box and I bet it's going to take a bite from Jeep..the question is can the production keep up with the demand..for that we'll have to wait until next year to find out..
JAXJeremy
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yeah after they killed the Taurus last year those are all that's left..they just weren't selling enough cars for it to be cost effective to keep all the models..Ford makes it's $$ on trucks..
TacoRunn0517
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Made. In. Japan. Obviously that isn't to say that the Taco isn't a keeper (my dad bought is 2005 Taco Double Cab brand new and still has it with about 225K). Just added comfort that the 4Runner is made in its Motherland.
No worries. Living a few miles from there, everyone know what was made there. It's Tesla now. I know the motor came from Mexico and assembled in Fremont.
For US manufacturing you could tell on the early US/Canada Honda's from the door gaps. I never really noticed any issues with US assembled Toyotas.
The 4runner is a better daily driver for sure. I never even considered where it was made.
