Theft Deterrents

seschafer

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This may be a silly question, but when you spend thousands on accessories for your trucks what are you doing from an anti-theft perspective. I'm not really talking about someone taking off with your 4Runner, but rather what are you doing to protect the external accessories you add? I'm already looking at a couple of thousand in LEDs going on my roof rack. Are people wiring these into an alarm system somehow? Maybe I am a little paranoid, but heck there are people that steal copper pipes from housing construction sites for a few bucks.

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Steve
 
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Only way to truly keep your stuff is to tac weld it to whatever its attached to. Lots of guys are getting their light bars ripped off these days so in truth, only you know whether or not you're going to put all of that money to use.
 
That's what insurance is for- it sucks but you can't do a thing to protect your stuff. If someone really wants it, they will get it.
 
Generally agree with the above sentiments. I will say that the glass-break and shock sensors can add a small amount of additional security in higher-visibility areas. "Crying Wolf" is an obvious problem of any audible alarm system, but I sure wouldn't be rummaging around in a vehicle in a populated area with the horn blaring and glass everywhere!!! Especially in Texas :whip:

I didn't want to screw with any aftermarket alarms with my new T4R, and opted for the (I believe to be port installed) premium security system with shock and glass-break detection above the base keyless entry system.

Some claim the additional Glass Break and Shock sensors can somehow be enabled via Techstream, but I doubt Toyota would include Glass Break and Shock sensors in all models and simply not enable them in software unless you pony up the cash.

Lead is indeed a great deterrent (Texan over 'yander - open carry headed our way!!!), but if you are inside at a nice restaurant or at the club doin your thang, you are not likely to catch the act in-progress regardless. Your .45 ACP's will be sitting in their respective holsters (even if you can open carry!) while some jack-ass breaks your window and snatches your exposed valuables w/o opening the vehicle's door.

A glass break / shock sensor will at least call attention to such intrusions in your (and your gun's) absence.

So, you have a few options:

* Park where you can always see (and shoot at) your vehicle. Not entirely practical for a myriad of reasons (legalities of shooting at a car thief away from your homestead being just one). An alarm that texts you might work, but by the time you reach your vehicle, it's likely too late regardless...

* Don't park in high-crime areas. Also a pretty hard task in most cases IMO (I do my best to avoid such areas and situations, but not always possible).

* Keep a fairly stock looking ride w/o any bling or flash, and avoid any blatant stickers/advertising that would give a thief a reason to investigate your particular ride. (Had my "IF YOU'VE GOT IT, CRANK IT" sticker advertising phase in High School in the 90's, and learned my lesson twice!).

* Carefully stow ALL visible valuables and electronics including the associated cords/mounts which are a dead giveaway you simply put the associated devices in the glove box! I have a little DSLR camera bag I use to stow my electronics/cords/mounts, and will bring it inside with me in highly suspect areas. Even if they break in, nothing that is easily snatchable is left behind. Any stolen property ($10K audio system in my particular case) will need to be forcibly removed from the vehicle.

* Install amps/gear with non-standard Security Allen Screws or other uncommon attachment methods. While this can frustrate thieves and result in needless interior/exterior vandalism as retaliation, it can also result with the attempted theft ending with a broken window and nothing more (I'd much rather avoid additional insurance claims whenever possible).

Simply keeping temptations entirely out of sight can go a surprisingly far way when the idiot parked next to you has a GPS and some Amps and other gear advertised in plain view...

Knock on Gunstock (wood) my persistence on these matters continues my theft-free T4R experience! :sniper:

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Some claim the additional Glass Break and Shock sensors can somehow be enabled via Techstream, but I doubt Toyota would include Glass Break and Shock sensors in all models and simply not enable them in software unless you pony up the cash.





I bought my 4Runner in Scottsdale and all of the vehicles had the advanced theft deterrent installed already, the salesman activated them with a device that looks like a small scientific calculator. It irked me that I had to pay another $250 bucks to protect a 40k truck. So in theory if you have the know how and hardware, you can indeed activate your alarm.
 

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Oxymoron

Theft deterrents only keep away the honest thieves.

Is that an oxymoron? Honest Thieves? If they were honest they wouldn't be stealing your rims right now. :suspicious:

With lots of mods and upgrades, it's more likely some knucklehead will steal your whole rig and strip it for parts.

Let's not reward the thieves by leaving anything inside worth stealing. And make it easy to see there's nothing inside by leaving it empty. I keep my truck empty except for what I need where ever I'm going.
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Here in California we don't have open carry laws and you can't shoot someone for trying to steal or break into your car. I think I may have to move to Texas or Montana.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/16/style/keeping-your-car-safe-from-electronic-thieves.html?_r=0

Not really on the original topic, however I think this applies.

The only sure way to stop things from being stolen is to remove the opportunity, every thing else is rated for a time level it would take to overcome the levels of security. Example a HS S&G lock (a overpriced high security lock) takes 15 min to overcome the shroud and shackle, and is rated at 30 min to pick. Welding everything down is still not going to stop someone that really wants to take it, they can still be overcome, a lot easier then you might think.
 
I understand where you are coming from but deadly force is not justified unless you are defending life. So you would have a prison sentence for assault and battery at the least.

One more point to add in can you really watch your truck 24/7.
 
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I understand where you are coming from but deadly force is not justified unless you are defending life. So you would have a prison sentence for assault and battery at the least.

One more point to add in can you really watch your truck 24/7.

IANYL

It depends on your State:

For example, Texas:
A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
Acts 1973, 63rd Leg., p. 883, ch. 399, Sec. 1, eff. Jan. 1, 1974. Amended by Acts 1993, 73rd Leg., ch. 900, Sec. 1.01, eff. Sept. 1, 1994.


Florida:
The 2014 Florida Statute- Title XLVI-CHAPTER 776 -JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
776.031 Use or threatened use of force in defense of property.—

(2) A person is justified in using or threatening to use deadly force only if he or she reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to prevent the imminent commission of a forcible felony.
...
776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.

That being said, I would think long and hard before skinning that smoke wagon.
 

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