This is going to sound crazy but...

The problems with healthcare aren't from self pay people making efforts to pay out of pocket for care, even large ticket care.

It is, and always will be, the dead poor and career welfare dirtbag leaches. They get it all for free (housing, food, primary & secondary education, Childcare...the list goes on), shit out 3-6 kids each, go to the doctor for EVERYTHING because they feel they have the right...and could not give less of a f*ck about saddling the rest of the us with the bill.

Do not confuse those two scenarios.

I did not confuse the two, and I think you didn't read my post very carefully.

First of all, most middle-class people without insurance can become a leach very easily with a bad enough accident. What do you suppose the average savings from a middle-class household would be? Let's just figure $20k. You know how fast you can burn through $20k in an emergency room, or even worse with a chronic illness, like cancer or leukemia? I have a coworker that got leukemia in his early 50s & needed more than a year's worth of care & rehab. Even with our insurance negotiating a significant discount, insurance payouts were pushing half a million. It doesn't take long to turn someone into a leach (my coworker, being properly insured is not a leach).

I'm pretty sure that the dead poor & welfare leaches don't get everything for free & don't live a very good life. I bust my tail working lots of hours & spending months at a time away from home. I wouldn't trade it for welfare in a million years. I might also add that my kid in middle-class America will be eligible for free primary & secondary education. Childcare and pre-k education are offered as a tax-advantaged.

My doctor refuses to see patients who can't pay the bill. Seems pretty simple.

The biggest problems with healthcare are gold-plated, tax-advantaged, 3rd party payer systems which distort the costs of healthcare across the board. Next, a MUCH bigger problem from a fiduciary standpoint than the poor is retirees on Medicare. Medicare is a time bomb which will bring the American economy crumbling down within the next few decades. It is unsustainable, impractical and puts a insurmountable burden on future generations. People consume the most healthcare statistically in the last couple of years of "life." I don't want to hear anything about people paying into Medicare either...what goes into that program is a joke for what people expect out of it.

I'm not fan of handouts either. I'm all for letting people starve or live under bridges. That being said, I think you're overstating their contribution to the overall problems with healthcare in the USA. The really big problem is that it is difficult to fix & politicians don't like hard work or presenting tough realities to their constituents. Easier just to blame the rich or the poor or the gays or whatever.
 

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