This will be interesting...

Baystate4Runner said:
Not even close.

Bronco will have a solid rear axle, front and rear lockers, front sway bar disconnect, option for a 7-speed manual...

It will compete with 4Runner and Wrangle Rubicon.
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I have only seen pictures of the baby bronco. Saw some photos of the big bronco and it does look to have a solid rear axle. Good for them. Hopefully it is competitive with the 4runner so we can get some changes from toyota.

It will not be in the same class as the Rubicon though. Nothing unmodified and sold in the US today can go where a stock Rubicon can without major body damage.
 
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tm965 said:
wrong....

front and rear lockers. only ifs in the front. optional manual. this thing is going to run circles around the 4runner more likely than not in all areas but cargo room and longterm reliability
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I didn't see pictures of the big bronco until yesterday.

Depends on the approach, break over, and departure angles too.

Crawl control and a-trac on the 4runner will put it pretty close to a locked front bronco.

Also how wide the big bronco will be.

If Ford made the big bronco with the abilty to fit 37s stock and it is relatively the same size of a 4runner then yeah it will run circles around the 4runner.
 
CharlesNellis said:
I didn't see pictures of the big bronco until yesterday.

Depends on the approach, break over, and departure angles too.

Crawl control and a-trac on the 4runner will put it pretty close to a locked front bronco.

Also how wide the big bronco will be.

If Ford made the big bronco with the abilty to fit 37s stock and it is relatively the same size of a 4runner then yeah it will run circles around the 4runner.
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the only deal breaker in my mind would be if they dont offer boosted v6s and stick with the 2.3l. It doesnt sound like that will be the case though.
 
I need to clear the home projects from my plate and get to work on the body restoration of my ‘73 Bronco.
 

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CharlesNellis said:
I didn't see pictures of the big bronco until yesterday.

Depends on the approach, break over, and departure angles too.

Crawl control and a-trac on the 4runner will put it pretty close to a locked front bronco.

Also how wide the big bronco will be.

If Ford made the big bronco with the abilty to fit 37s stock and it is relatively the same size of a 4runner then yeah it will run circles around the 4runner.
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My assumption has been that the 4 door will end up very close to a JL Wrangler Unlimited in size. Part of the reason I dumped my 2012 JK Unlimited and went to a 4Runner was the increased cargo volume the 4Runner gives versus a Wrangler. It's going to be really interesting to see the ultimate specs though.

My guess is the Bronco will be able to take 33s stock and probably 35s with minimal drama. I'll be really surprised if it can take 37s stock. Could also have a scenario where you can fit them, but are setting up for trouble.

Running 37s on a JK without some major drive train upgrades was always viewed as a disaster waiting to happen in the Jeep community. Plenty of folks did it to mall crawl, but it was definitely not robust. I'm not sure if the JL is a bit better in this regard or not since I have not been paying attention.
 
My prediction Bronco will be more capable than 4Runner Pro due mainly to clearance and approach and departure angles. No where’s near quality. As for competing with the Wrangler Rubicon; no way without a solid front axle. The Bronco will do some stupid mall crawler dance as the Wrangler passes by it in rock/techy sections.
 
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And hopefully after the Bronco outperforms the 4Runner Toyota will listen to what there customers want before they loose more market share. Jeep must be licking their chops seeing what Ford is bringing to an off road battle.
 
Not a big fan of the looks, but I'll wait and see what the long term reliability and the ease of 'customobility' is after the first couple of years.
 
tm965 said:
wrong....

front and rear lockers. only ifs in the front. optional manual. this thing is going to run circles around the 4runner more likely than not in all areas but cargo room and longterm reliability
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The comments are all over the place and the Bronco isn't out yet. We don't know what it will really look like yet. We do know that it is a Ford and despite what a few think it will not run circles around the 4 runners. The bronco like the raptor failed to complete the baja 1000 and the Tundra won it in 2014 in the stock class. Reliability is everything offroading and just because you have lockers and I don't doesn't mean you are better. The 4 runner like the Tundra has a extremely capable 4wd system with lockers and Atrac and it goes EVERYWHERE my Jeep bros goes with far less issues. In the open rough desert my IFS allow me to leave them in the dust. On the way to the trail I ride far more comfortable on the road. If you worry about stock to stock you are a mall crawler not an offroader. All offroader build their stock vehicles well beyond stock to meet their needs and the 4 runner last and holds up very well after you build it. The Jeep and Bronco surely will do what we know they will do, break. If I was a rock crawler climbing over 2 foot boulders all day then find I would buy a Rubicon Jeep install 40" tires and dana 60 axles etc but since that is not close to the type of offroading most people do with a 50k+ vehicle I will keep the 4 runner.
 
On paper, it looks very legit. As someone who's significant other bought a Focus though, I'm so jilted on Ford due to the transmission in that car, and apparently the Mustang, I just can't even consider one. (GM Fanboy too...)

The views I've seen, the list of hardware that's been mined (Lockers, swaybar disconnects, off road turn assist, turbo powerplant, crawler gear, tire size, etc) makes it seem like they're not dicking around on this.
 
Thebeastlives said:
The comments are all over the place and the Bronco isn't out yet. We don't know what it will really look like yet. We do know that it is a Ford and despite what a few think it will not run circles around the 4 runners. The bronco like the raptor failed to complete the baja 1000 and the Tundra won it in 2014 in the stock class. Reliability is everything offroading and just because you have lockers and I don't doesn't mean you are better. The 4 runner like the Tundra has a extremely capable 4wd system with lockers and Atrac and it goes EVERYWHERE my Jeep bros goes with far less issues. In the open rough desert my IFS allow me to leave them in the dust. On the way to the trail I ride far more comfortable on the road. If you worry about stock to stock you are a mall crawler not an offroader. All offroader build their stock vehicles well beyond stock to meet their needs and the 4 runner last and holds up very well after you build it. The Jeep and Bronco surely will do what we know they will do, break. If I was a rock crawler climbing over 2 foot boulders all day then find I would buy a Rubicon Jeep install 40" tires and dana 60 axles etc but since that is not close to the type of offroading most people do with a 50k+ vehicle I will keep the 4 runner.
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so youre basing your argument on race trucks and hardcore rock crawling as to why it wont run circles around the 4runner? I fully expect the top tier bronco in stock to be just as capable as an upgraded 4runner in most offroading (think suspension upgrades and tires). Where i doubt it will keep up would be high speed offroad (unless they offer trick 2.5" shocks stock).

what has been speculated/leaked thus far about the bronco really looks better on paper than the 4runner overall for mixed use, save for cargo space and long-term reliability. i expect them to sell like hotcakes.
 
tm965 said:
so youre basing your argument on race trucks and hardcore rock crawling as to why it wont run circles around the 4runner? I fully expect the top tier bronco in stock to be just as capable as an upgraded 4runner in most offroading (think suspension upgrades and tires). Where i doubt it will keep up would be high speed offroad (unless they offer trick 2.5" shocks stock).

what has been speculated/leaked thus far about the bronco really looks better on paper than the 4runner overall for mixed use, save for cargo space and long-term reliability. i expect them to sell like hotcakes.
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Take a look a the 2014 tundra in the baja 1000. It WAS NOT a race truck. It was stock and finished and won the stock class. Something Ford has been trying to do for awhile and has not. The point is who cares about how Ford builds the Bronco it will be the normal Ford crap and when it breaks on the trail (and it will) please dont ask me to tow you out in my 4 runner. I will take the Atrac and rear locker combo on my 2018 Trd 4 runner all day over lockers on a IFS vehicle. Bigger tires and big rock climbs break diffs quickly in IFS setups. Atrac if you are skilled works better or just as well in most offroad situations. I broke once on the trail trying to muscle up a rock hill. My cv axle broke (not my diff) and we grab a spare and fixed it in under 1 hour and kept going. Anything can break offroading but the Toyota isn't a paper offroader and due to its proven 4 wd system and overall reliability I wouldn't replace it with a fully built Rubicon Jeep (all my bros have them and all we do is trail wrench on them). Btw last year Ford built a full baja race Bronco for the Baja 1000 and it dnf also. A private racer in a Toyota Landcruiser and fully built H1 beat them in that class. Sweet looking but unfortunately it is a Ford. YouTube. Maybe you might be impress by the Ford marketing machine but I've been burned by Ford quality too many times to get circle jerked again.
 
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Thebeastlives said:
Take a look a the 2014 tundra in the baja 1000. It WAS NOT a race truck. It was stock and finished and won the stock class. Something Ford has been trying to do for awhile and has not. The point is who cares about how Ford builds the Bronco it will be the normal Ford crap and when it breaks on the trail (and it will) please dont ask me to tow you out in my 4 runner. I will take the Atrac and rear locker combo on my 2018 Trd 4 runner all day over lockers on a IFS vehicle. Bigger tires and big rock climbs break diffs quickly in IFS setups. Atrac if you are skilled works better or just as well in most offroad situations. I broke once on the trail trying to muscle up a rock hill. My cv axle broke (not my diff) and we grab a spare and fixed it in under 1 hour and kept going. Anything can break offroading but the Toyota isn't a paper offroader and due to its proven 4 wd system and overall reliability I wouldn't replace it with a fully built Rubicon Jeep (all my bros have them and all we do is trail wrench on them). Btw last year Ford built a full baja race Bronco for the Baja 1000 and it dnf also. A private racer in a Toyota Landcruiser and fully built H1 beat them in that class. Sweet looking but unfortunately it is a Ford. YouTube. Maybe you might be impress by the Ford marketing machine but I've been burned by Ford quality too many times to get circle jerked again.
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i dont really think the masses give a shit about baja. also the bronco is going to have the same ifs front rear solid axle set up as the 4runner. ill let the sales speak for themselves here. btw i still own a 4runner, but inevitably, new shit outclasses old shit.
 
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