Sorry...but MN doesn't get that much snow...at least nothing to brag about. Try upstate NY north of Syracuse and south of Watertownfor REAL snow. Try 4-5 times the amount of snow MN sees in a year. The Coopers do quite well there. And based on friends and relatives..they are by far the most popular tire for trucks and SUV's. When you live in a town that AVERAGES 250" snow a year..you NEED good snow tires to get around.
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Sorry...but MN doesn't get that much snow...at least nothing to brag about. Try upstate NY north of Syracuse and south of Watertownfor REAL snow. Try 4-5 times the amount of snow MN sees in a year. The Coopers do quite well there. And based on friends and relatives..they are by far the most popular tire for trucks and SUV's. When you live in a town that AVERAGES 250" snow a year..you NEED good snow tires to get around.
Compared to the ltx m/s 2 that's what. $217 for the ltx and $207 for the at3.
Do you drive through 250 inches???? Total snow fall means nothing, it is the amount you drive through. This has gotten childish and ridiculous. The Michelins perform at or near the top and do so for more miles. As I said, where I live the price difference is $10 so it is a no brainer. If the Coppers were $60 less here I would buy them also because they are a good tire as I said before. I'm done with this nonsense.
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sluggercz
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If you're paying $207 for Cooper AT3's you might try shopping elsewhere, but it looks like you enjoy the Michelin LTX's so I'm sure they are fine as well.
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SureShot516
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CqwDad to answer your question without the nonsense i had the Bridgestone HT 840 that came with the truck when i got it (used) i got approx 50,000 miles of that tire, however the tire was mediocre is rain/wet conditions it was a quiet tire but it was also sub par in snow (I was quoted here in NY $173 out the door for the Bridgestone HT)
The brigestone (all-terrain) Revo2 came highly recommended however like you i was not seeking an AT tire (quoted @ $186 out the door for the Revo 2)
Next i looked into the firestone LE2 got great ratings on tire rack in (road noise, wet/rain, snow and tread wear) the tire guy also said "you will love them" i have put on about 200 miles now including the torrential rain we had a few days ago, i like them alot ( Out the door price was $173, same as the bridgestone HT and i like them far better)
hope that helps
WXman
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Guys... So he wants an all season tire.
The Cooper HT is $138 each. The Cooper AT3 is $148 each. The HT has a 65,000 mile warranty.
The cheapest Michelin is the LTX, with the M/S a close second. Both are $220 each. 70,000 mile warranty.
www.discounttiredirect.com
So, you pay $552 for a set of Coopers delivered to your door. Or you pay $880 for a set of Michelins delivered to your door. The difference is roughly $330 bucks and 5,000 miles of warranty.
A 3rd grader could figure out that the Michelin is a terrible deal.
Since we now know for a fact that he does not want an all-terrain tire, then I suggest the General Grabber HTS (was the #1 tire in this category for years...may still be) or the Cooper Discoverer HTP. Both are excellent road tires with no noise and very low rolling resistance and are inexpensive to buy so that you don't break the bank getting new shoes.
The Cooper HT is $138 each. The Cooper AT3 is $148 each. The HT has a 65,000 mile warranty.
The cheapest Michelin is the LTX, with the M/S a close second. Both are $220 each. 70,000 mile warranty.
www.discounttiredirect.com
So, you pay $552 for a set of Coopers delivered to your door. Or you pay $880 for a set of Michelins delivered to your door. The difference is roughly $330 bucks and 5,000 miles of warranty.
A 3rd grader could figure out that the Michelin is a terrible deal.
Since we now know for a fact that he does not want an all-terrain tire, then I suggest the General Grabber HTS (was the #1 tire in this category for years...may still be) or the Cooper Discoverer HTP. Both are excellent road tires with no noise and very low rolling resistance and are inexpensive to buy so that you don't break the bank getting new shoes.
wnelax04sr5
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Climate Information for Mt. Washington*-*New Hampshire*-*Northeast*-*United States*-*Climate Zone
do you live on mt washington?
edit: looks like you must, because this chart shows the next highest snowfall in new hampshire is over 100" less than mt w
http://www.currentresults.com/Weather/New-Hampshire/annual-snowfall.php
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KingPrat
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Dear lord. :twitch:
Everyone in this thread needs to chill. Keyboard muscles are getting in the way of good information being conveyed to the OP. If this was MY first thread on this forum, I'd be heading for the hills pretty quickly...
Tires are a very opinionated topic (obviously). The original tires the OP stated were obviously not the correct type after looking at what he's looking FOR in a tire.
Take a look at TireRack ratings, and other companies that rate tires, and form your own conclusions. Take a look at warranty info, treadlife, wet/snow traction, etc. You're probably looking for something more along the lines of an HT tire, rather than an AT, ATP, ATS, etc. For all-season tires, be sure they're M+S rated - this rating means that the rubber compound and tire design can perform and get traction in snow. (see http://auto.howstuffworks.com/tire3.htm ) Then look at cost. Some people can justify paying $250/tire for the Michelins, others cant.
I would try to find a few highly rated tires in your price range, and pick and choose from those. My father has the Toyo HTs on his Jeep, and likes them quite a bit. I've had Nokians in the past and they have been fantastic - but were more of an AT tire. You can find good tires at good prices. Shop around a bit, negotiate, and be happy.
Everyone in this thread needs to chill. Keyboard muscles are getting in the way of good information being conveyed to the OP. If this was MY first thread on this forum, I'd be heading for the hills pretty quickly...
Tires are a very opinionated topic (obviously). The original tires the OP stated were obviously not the correct type after looking at what he's looking FOR in a tire.
Take a look at TireRack ratings, and other companies that rate tires, and form your own conclusions. Take a look at warranty info, treadlife, wet/snow traction, etc. You're probably looking for something more along the lines of an HT tire, rather than an AT, ATP, ATS, etc. For all-season tires, be sure they're M+S rated - this rating means that the rubber compound and tire design can perform and get traction in snow. (see http://auto.howstuffworks.com/tire3.htm ) Then look at cost. Some people can justify paying $250/tire for the Michelins, others cant.
I would try to find a few highly rated tires in your price range, and pick and choose from those. My father has the Toyo HTs on his Jeep, and likes them quite a bit. I've had Nokians in the past and they have been fantastic - but were more of an AT tire. You can find good tires at good prices. Shop around a bit, negotiate, and be happy.
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Thats what they run around here. Prices vary for everything around the country. You get better deals on tires it seems.
Reading comprehension problem?? I made no mention what-so-ever of the amount of snow-fall in NH...I did mention the amount of snow-fall in upstate NY where I grew up. I agree NH doesn't get much snow..and neither does MN. Real snow country east of the Rockies is around the Great Lakes region. The top 3 snow-fall cities in the US are Syarcuse, Rochester and Buffalo. And they pail compared to towns like Pulaski (where I grew up)...or the Tug-Hill Plateau area.
You're right...But the amount of snow fall a year also determines how many times you're driving in snow. The town I grew up in...has had some WHOPPER storms. Biggest one I was ever in....4 days of continuous snow..and when it finally ended..total snow fall was OVER 100". People who live in real snow country where almost every day for 4 months out of the year they are driving on snow. Where as places that get only 40" of annual snow fall...they MIGHT have to drive 3-4 days with snow under their tires. The rest of the time the plows have come through and cleared the roads. But in lake effect area..where snow is completely unpredictable...you're driving in snow almost every day...sometimes major lake effect storms that can dump 10" during your morning commute.
Michelins are excellent tires...Please where I said ever said they weren't. I don't know how come the prices for Michelins are only $10 more then the Coopers. They surely aren't around here...or on the internet. Even the difference on the internet the difference is at least $50...closer to $70 per tire. You must live in a special place. I use to buy Michelin when the price difference was about $10 per tire. That was over 20 years ago.
sluggercz
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Yeah I feel you, too bad you guys don't have any Allen Tire's or TireCrawler installers in Minnesota, I've seen some of the best prices on that site.
[MENTION=15213]MikeInNH[/MENTION] [MENTION=87539]wnelax04sr5[/MENTION] I don't know how this thread digressed into talking about snowfall, but let's try to keep it on topic and help [MENTION=92003]CqwDad[/MENTION] find an affordable, quality All-season/Highway/Touring tire.
^I agree with what WXman has said, mainly that for the money I'd go with some Cooper HT's or CTS's, maybe compare them to the General Grabber HTS and Toyo Open Country HT's to see which is available at the lowest price in your location.
Keep in mind you can order through some retailers online and have them shipped free of charge to an affiliated installer.
Good luck with your search.
wnelax04sr5
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i wasnt trying to be hostile, neither should you. i assumed based on your username and location you were speaking of new hampshire, i would agree with you then that the lake effect areas in the northeast of new york do have some incredible snowfall
wnelax04sr5
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I can vouch for the Firestone LE2's, i have a friend with them on his ram 1500 and it walks through snow and mud no problem, and they are also silent on road, any speed. his seem to be wearing well too, my $.02
Many of that drive in consistant snow actually use snow tires. The 4wd I keep in Breckenridge CO uses Nokian snow tires. Better than any AT tire I have used in the snow, packed snow and ice. But then again the people in western NY probably know more about driving in snow than those if us in ski country at 9500'. Oh we had snow in the mountains last week, I assume western NY did also.
Personally I would not reccomend the toyo open country H/T due to op's silent requirement.
The 07' Sr-5 I own has had two sets of tires on it. A set of Michelin tires that came with the car ( and lasted 60,000 miles). These tires were much quieter than the current toyo open country H/T's on the car today. The cabin noise also gets incredibly loud on the highway, even with the h/t tire. With the michelins, you could listen to the aux input (from an iphone all the way up) at around 13. With the toyo's that number has risen to 16-17 for in city and 18-19 for highway.
With that said, I will not be buying another set of the toyo OC H/T tires. I will probably be returning to the michelins that came with the car 7 years ago. Only because I know they are quiet
The 07' Sr-5 I own has had two sets of tires on it. A set of Michelin tires that came with the car ( and lasted 60,000 miles). These tires were much quieter than the current toyo open country H/T's on the car today. The cabin noise also gets incredibly loud on the highway, even with the h/t tire. With the michelins, you could listen to the aux input (from an iphone all the way up) at around 13. With the toyo's that number has risen to 16-17 for in city and 18-19 for highway.
With that said, I will not be buying another set of the toyo OC H/T tires. I will probably be returning to the michelins that came with the car 7 years ago. Only because I know they are quiet
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JB.
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Alright, a single recommendation based on your criteria and the Consumer Reports all-season tire list.
General Grabber HTS.
Inexpensive and unsurpassed in quietness and wet and dry braking. Good in the hydroplane, snow, and comfort categories. Decent in tread life, handling, ice, and rolling resistance. FWIW, In the list the Dueler cost more and ranked lower.
The general is probably not a 60-70K tire, but it should perform well on a cost per mile basis. Long tread life doesn't come without tradeoffs.
WXman
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That's why you never buy local.
Home - Discount Tire Direct
Then go to Walmart for mounting/balancing for $50 bucks. Done.
