Toyota just updated their website (2021 4Runners)

[RichinRidgewood]

I checked parts.toyota.com and there is no option for 2021 parts yet. It will be interesting to see how much the front LED head lights cost and if they will be an easy swap or if you have to chop into the harness. I would just like to see a side by side comparison of the 2020 to 2021 and see if the new LEDs make a significant difference compared to the halogens.

 

[gjcarving]

I checked parts.toyota.com and there is no option for 2021 parts yet. It will be interesting to see how much the front LED head lights cost and if they will be an easy swap or if you have to chop into the harness. I would just like to see a side by side comparison of the 2020 to 2021 and see if the new LEDs make a significant difference compared to the halogens.

What I find odd is that unless you get a PRO or Limited the LED lights are only for the low beam. All other models you still get high beam halogen. I don’t get it! I’ve never owned an led vehicle but definitely notice the difference especially in color. To me it would be weird to switch back and forth between high and low and have them be a different tone. I’m looking at 20/21 TRDOR/P. I am curious about the lighting also. At this point in the 5th gens run it would be really nice if it was full led. I believe fogs are led across the board.

 

[rdruss]

If you can get a Lexus V8 for same $ as a 4Runner V6, that would be a no brainer for me! I like to modify what I drive so I would'nt be opposed to changing out some things on a Lexus.

 

[rushrunner]

If you can get a Lexus V8 for same $ as a 4Runner V6, that would be a no brainer for me! I like to modify what I drive so I would'nt be opposed to changing out some things on a Lexus.

Ah no. No auto back window down. End of discussion.

 

[jimday1982]

What I find odd is that unless you get a PRO or Limited the LED lights are only for the low beam. All other models you still get high beam halogen. I don’t get it! I’ve never owned an led vehicle but definitely notice the difference especially in color. To me it would be weird to switch back and forth between high and low and have them be a different tone. I’m looking at 20/21 TRDOR/P. I am curious about the lighting also. At this point in the 5th gens run it would be really nice if it was full led. I believe fogs are led across the board.

When configuring a 2021 Venture, LED fogs are an available option for $349. Ugh...

 

[Gamma Ray]

LOL wait a second the 2014+ have a barftacular grill, I'd take the lexus bowtie over the 5.5gen DomoKun anyday

Bowtie? More like a monolith with demonic teeth as seen in a funhouse mirror.

2014+ isn't ideal stock, but at least you can put on the heritage grill. And if you don't like the "TOYOTA" across the front with the heritage grill, there are third party coverups that don't have any lettering or dimples for lettering. And stock isn't demonic to begin with.

Seriously, luxury vehicles have the gaudiest styling. Genesis grills look like honeycombs from hell, and have you seen the emblem on the front of a Benz lately? It's so big it's practically got the proportions of a toddler's toy.

 

[patkelly4370]

I would like $50k of less tech & luxury and $50k more beef & capability.
Lose the electronic bells & whistles. Stouter axles and suspension components. Long travel. Full skids. Metal bumpers. Real rock sliders. Lockers.
Crank windows, AM-FM radio (optional), no electrical seats.
Bare bones basic & bulletproof.

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[RichinRidgewood]

When configuring a 2021 Venture, LED fogs are an available option for $349. Ugh...

Im not seeing that. It says they are standard (at least in this region).

 

[Gamma Ray]

I would like $50k of less tech & luxury and $50k more beef & capability.
Lose the electronic bells & whistles. Stouter axles and suspension components. Long travel. Full skids. Metal bumpers. Real rock sliders. Lockers.
Crank windows, AM-FM radio (optional), no electrical seats.
Bare bones basic & bulletproof.

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I remember my old Wrangler TJ. I want a vehicle like that. The current 4Runner is the closest to that these days while also retaining reliability. I know it's a stretch to compare a 2 door TJ with a 5th gen, but I did it. The TJ felt like $23,000 (an estimate in today's money based on my own subjectivity, not a reflection of actual cost back then) of not a whole lot that could go wrong. I especially liked the crank windows. Now a 2 door JL starts at over $28,000, and I get it, it's a Jeep thing, but it's still way overpriced for what it should be. And I know comparing the TJ to the JL is about as much of a stretch as comparing a TJ to a 5th gen, but it is what it is, and even the barest of the bare JL is too complicated for its own good.

I would have been so happy to pay less for no electric driver's seat. It is nice, and it's probably going to last me longer than the levers on my Jeep seats ever did, but I'd rather pay less for a basic yet bulletproof Toyota seat in my 5th gen.

I do have to say, though, I don't think the 5th gen would be quite the same if it didn't have power windows. If you're going to have power windows, at least really own it, and I feel the 4Runner owns it with its extensive control options.

 

[dallison]

It would be nice to have a new body style after using it for 11 model years. wow, 12.

 

[patkelly4370]

I remember my old Wrangler TJ. I want a vehicle like that. The current 4Runner is the closest to that these days while also retaining reliability. I know it's a stretch to compare a 2 door TJ with a 5th gen, but I did it. The TJ felt like $23,000 (an estimate in today's money based on my own subjectivity, not a reflection of actual cost back then) of not a whole lot that could go wrong. I especially liked the crank windows. Now a 2 door JL starts at over $28,000, and I get it, it's a Jeep thing, but it's still way overpriced for what it should be. And I know comparing the TJ to the JL is about as much of a stretch as comparing a TJ to a 5th gen, but it is what it is, and even the barest of the bare JL is too complicated for its own good.



I would have been so happy to pay less for no electric driver's seat. It is nice, and it's probably going to last me longer than the levers on my Jeep seats ever did, but I'd rather pay less for a basic yet bulletproof Toyota seat in my 5th gen.



I do have to say, though, I don't think the 5th gen would be quite the same if it didn't have power windows. If you're going to have power windows, at least really own it, and I feel the 4Runner owns it with its extensive control options.

Must take into account I went from a 68 F100 that I've been driving (and still do) for 35 years to my 17 SR5.
So nearly everything on the 4runner is an unnecessary novelty to me. Except 4Lo.

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[CO-Cygnus]

I would like $50k of less tech & luxury and $50k more beef & capability.
Lose the electronic bells & whistles. Stouter axles and suspension components. Long travel. Full skids. Metal bumpers. Real rock sliders. Lockers.
Crank windows, AM-FM radio (optional), no electrical seats.
Bare bones basic & bulletproof.

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I hate to lol, but lol. Crank windows and radio blanks? Not likely. A lot of what you're after can be had from the aftermarket just use a TRD OR as a base and go from there.

 

[mo_mo]

Sales climbed out of a big slump after the 14+ makeover. 2010-2013 averaged 47k, while 2014-2019 averaged 114k per year in sales.
Toyota 4Runner Sales Figures | GCBC
You're gonna have to wait until 22+ for the 6th gen, so why would Toyota invest in big upgrades for a product that is near end of life and selling well? /rhetorical


Toyota isn't going after Wrangler, Bronco, Colorado, etc. with the 4Runner. The 4R is by itself. Don't like it, no problem, go pick up an LC, Jeep, Ford, Chevy of your choosing while sending in letters to Toyota asking for an LC70 or whatever else ya wanna cry about. Money talks, end of the story.

I find it amusing the the TRDP gets 1MPG better than the rest of the lineup. Must be some helium in the tires.

 

[nb0221]

I noticed that when compiling a build of a 2021 ORP, it doesn’t seem possible to add both a moonroof and KDSS. Any thoughts on whether this is by design?


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[old12valve]

Doesn't look like they are too worried about the Bronco.

I hemmed and hawed over a 4Runner for well over a year. What stopped me was the 5 speed tranny and the relatively poor fuel mileage. I decided that I wanted something newer in terms of technology, etc. I would have purchased the Bronco except it doesn't even exist yet, and they're talking 2022 before many of those who have reserved them will receive them. I couldn't wait that long, so I just ordered a Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon with the 2.0 turbo I4 and the ZF 8 speed tranny. The mileage on the highway is mid 20s, and at 295 lb ft it's got more torque than the V6 Jeep or the 4Runner. I also prefer Chrysler's instrumentation. Just thought I'd put that out there as someone who was considering the 4Runner but purchased something else.

PS - the 2021 Rubicon also has a full time 4wd option which I selected (which can also be turned off).

 

[Gamma Ray]

I hemmed and hawed over a 4Runner for well over a year. What stopped me was the 5 speed tranny and the relatively poor fuel mileage. I decided that I wanted something newer in terms of technology, etc. I would have purchased the Bronco except it doesn't even exist yet, and they're talking 2022 before many of those who have reserved them will receive them. I couldn't wait that long, so I just ordered a Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon with the 2.0 turbo I4 and the ZF 8 speed tranny. The mileage on the highway is mid 20s, and at 295 lb ft it's got more torque than the V6 Jeep or the 4Runner. I also prefer Chrysler's instrumentation. Just thought I'd put that out there as someone who was considering the 4Runner but purchased something else.

:crazy:

 

[old12valve]

:crazy:

Do you also communicate with language or are you limited to emojis?

 

[02SE]

Do you also communicate with language or are you limited to emojis?

Don't worry about him. Based on his past comments, I suspect he's one of those 12 year old kids commenting on brand-specific Youtube videos, and constantly stating that his dad's truck is the best, and all other brands suck!!!

One day he'll grow up...

Enjoy your Jeep.

 

[SilverFox2020]

I find it amusing the the TRDP gets 1MPG better than the rest of the lineup. Must be some helium in the tires.

That surprised me too. You would think that Yakima roof rack would have cut down the mileage.

 

[SemperT4R]

I hemmed and hawed over a 4Runner for well over a year. What stopped me was the 5 speed tranny and the relatively poor fuel mileage. I decided that I wanted something newer in terms of technology, etc. I would have purchased the Bronco except it doesn't even exist yet, and they're talking 2022 before many of those who have reserved them will receive them. I couldn't wait that long, so I just ordered a Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon with the 2.0 turbo I4 and the ZF 8 speed tranny. The mileage on the highway is mid 20s, and at 295 lb ft it's got more torque than the V6 Jeep or the 4Runner. I also prefer Chrysler's instrumentation. Just thought I'd put that out there as someone who was considering the 4Runner but purchased something else.

PS - the 2021 Rubicon also has a full time 4wd option which I selected (which can also be turned off).

Did you test drive both vehicles? What did you think of the new Jeep for highway/daily driving? I've never liked the way Jeeps felt on-road, but I have never driven the latest one.