Toyota just updated their website (2021 4Runners)

[Mudballz]

Love the rugged look of the Jeep BUT the ride on road is sh*t:toilet:
The reliability and cabin space is sh*t:toilet:
To spec one out in terms of comparison the 4Runner is roomy smooth and holds its value that is justified with the Jeep
reliability is off the charts next to the Jeep
also my cousin and neighbor both have Jeep rubicons both bought same time as I
They have both Had visit the dealer for water leaked into the cabin to the point of puddles inside the footwell*various lighting issues * trips for squeaks and annoying rattling both have had enough and ordered gx460 for October
Mike

 

[SilverFox2020]

Did you test drive both vehicles? What did you think of the new Jeep for highway/daily driving? I've never liked the way Jeeps felt on-road, but I have never driven the latest one.

I have been a Jeep guy for 20 years. When I started looking at the Gladiator last fall, I had a chance to drive my SIL new 19 Wrangler for two days of long highway travel. When I was done that convinced me to look at something other then Jeep, that’s how I stumbled on the 4Runner. My wife was the deciding factor as she loved the ride of the Toyota better then the Jeep.
So far off road has been comparable to the Wranglers I have owned in the past, however I’m doing mild trails right now and not heavy rock crawling.
So far the 4 Runner has been great although I have a few minor complaints about how easily the interior plastic scratches and some other stuff. Time will tell if I am a multiple 4Runner owner though.

 

[Gecko]

Tick tock... just waiting for details on the new LED headlights...

 

[RichinRidgewood]

Tick tock... just waiting for details on the new LED headlights...

I started a separate thread for the new 2021 OEM LED Headlights/Lights

2021 4Runner OEM LED Headlights/Lights Performance and Retrofit

 

[jimday1982]

Tick tock... just waiting for details on the new LED headlights...

You and me both. Found a 2020 Venture I'm very tempted to make an offer on, but would likely regret not holding out for LED lights in the long run.

 

[gjcarving]

You and me both. Found a 2020 Venture I'm very tempted to make an offer on, but would likely regret not holding out for LED lights in the long run.

Im kind of in the same boat. Looking at a 20 TRDOR. But also curious about the LED. Really wondering though what is the point of having LED low when the high is still halogen? Really don't understand that thought process of having two different tone lightings.

 

[jimday1982]

Im kind of in the same boat with a TRDOR. But, wondering what's the point of just low beam LED while still having Halogen high? I don't get that thought process.

Completely agree. Seems like an asanine cost-cutting measure.

I did just find a 2020 Venture 8 hours from me for a great price. Might make an offer and just retrofit LEDs and still come out ahead a couple grand.

 

[Gecko]

Drop in HIDs aimed down are a $300 solution with great light output, so I love mine for those reasons, but the longevity of OEM Toyota LED is appealing... if the price is right.

 

[83Mule]

I still wish for a 30K ''Stripper'' that had a 2'' lift, rubber floor, 6 speed stick and 4.10's, 285's and redesigned valences for increased angles. Like an FJ replacement for Guys to build off of rather than more ''Soccer Mom'' upgrades.......I still have the Mule or my TJ Unlimited Rubi for Off-Road but I would like Toyota to stay ''Dirty''!:whip2:

 

[Mass 4runner]

Im kind of in the same boat. Looking at a 20 TRDOR. But also curious about the LED. Really wondering though what is the point of having LED low when the high is still halogen? Really don't understand that thought process of having two different tone lightings.

Maybe because the low beams are pretty bad but the high beams are fine as they are? At least that's my take on it.

 

[NWsuperwhiterunner]

Over 50K for Pro seems based solely on hype and not value alone. If I had to spend little over fifty for 4WD i'd get 2021 GX 460 Premium that comes with V8 and a hell lot more tech and lux. I just noticed and a factory driver side A-Pilar handle

Build Your Own Lexus | Lexus Configurator

It's 66k if you want crawl control and doesn't have a locking rear diff

 

[TheHolyCannoli]

The Lunar Rock is a 500ft foul ball with the bases loaded. If they had tweaked that color just a hair more towards gray or green or blue...grand slam.

 

[standingcow]

Yeah the TRD Pro price premium for that Lunar Rock is absolutely insane. That's not going to make them resell high like blue/cement/quickand/green.

I'm waiting for a trail edition, that cement color is great. I wonder if they'll budge off msrp...

 

[Nalcyon]

I still wish for a 30K ''Stripper'' that had a 2'' lift, rubber floor, 6 speed stick and 4.10's, 285's and redesigned valences for increased angles. Like an FJ replacement for Guys to build off of rather than more ''Soccer Mom'' upgrades.......I still have the Mule or my TJ Unlimited Rubi for Off-Road but I would like Toyota to stay ''Dirty''!:whip2:

My Brother! Seems there are fewer and fewer of us feeling this way now days.

 

[jbl911]

Drop in HIDs aimed down are a $300 solution with great light output, so I love mine for those reasons, but the longevity of OEM Toyota LED is appealing... if the price is right.

Agree as well. I installed hardwired HID lights, highly recommend the upgrade.

 

[t0y0ta4R]

So it appears there's a slight increase in price given the 2020 limited I built in the beginning of this year. The starting MSRP increased $410, the delivery handling fee increased $55 and for some reason the Keep it Wild Savings is not applying after selecting the sliding rear cargo option. Previously, it would still subtract the $650 off the price after accounting for the $350 price of the sliding cargo deck. I'm uncertain if that's a mistake or not but I see the same results when building a TRD Off-Road Premium. Although, if you select nothing it will account for the Keep it Wild Savings at the summary.

In any event, the price appears to have increase about $460 or $1460 if you account for the lack of Keep it Wild Savings. I guess that's reasonable? :shrug:

 

[17KT4R]

Im kind of in the same boat. Looking at a 20 TRDOR. But also curious about the LED. Really wondering though what is the point of having LED low when the high is still halogen? Really don't understand that thought process of having two different tone lightings.

Well in my parts where we get winter, you need heat buildup in there from the halogen DRL to melt off snow and ice so Toyota likely left things as is for that particular reason being that nothing else is redesigned. After installing my LED's from Diode Dynamics I quickly realized this during winter driving (have to keep them clean and polished so crap slides off and even that is hopeful at best) Gotta move south someday.

 

[rightyouareken]

Well in my parts where we get winter, you need heat buildup in there from the halogen DRL to melt off snow and ice so Toyota likely left things as is for that particular reason being that nothing else is redesigned. After installing my LED's from Diode Dynamics I quickly realized this during winter driving (have to keep them clean and polished so crap slides off and even that is hopeful at best) Gotta move south someday.

Can confirm that's a real issue with LED headlights I've had on two previous cars. They don't get hot enough to melt ice and snow off the headlights when driving.

 

[jrandom]

Bowtie? More like a monolith with demonic teeth as seen in a funhouse mirror.

2014+ isn't ideal stock, but at least you can put on the heritage grill. And if you don't like the "TOYOTA" across the front with the heritage grill, there are third party coverups that don't have any lettering or dimples for lettering. And stock isn't demonic to begin with.

Seriously, luxury vehicles have the gaudiest styling. Genesis grills look like honeycombs from hell, and have you seen the emblem on the front of a Benz lately? It's so big it's practically got the proportions of a toddler's toy.

I don’t disagree, look at the infinity qx80 series :barf:

That said I have seen a few gx460 kitted with nicely fab’d plate bumpers that compliment nicely. That new facia looks doesn’t integrate well at all on the 5.5 with aftermarket steel, apart from the cut-out half bumper winch mount.

Sales climbed out of a big slump after the 14+ makeover. 2010-2013 averaged 47k, while 2014-2019 averaged 114k per year in sales.
Toyota 4Runner Sales Figures | GCBC

Uh... you need to look further back, sales were down due to a recession, not because of design. They really tanked starting in 2007.

Toyota 4Runner - Wikipedia

 

[SemperT4R]

Has anyone seen a '21 on a dealer lot yet?