jimday1982
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Nope, but I'm haggling on a 2021 Venture that's supposed to hit the lot on Sept 15. Wish me luck.
Toyota just updated their website (2021 4Runners)
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Nope, but I'm haggling on a 2021 Venture that's supposed to hit the lot on Sept 15. Wish me luck.
sn_85
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Is it me or did the MPG go down? 16/19 EPA for all models except the TRD Pro which is rated at 17/20...? Pretty sure it used to be 17/21 when I bought mine.
Also I'm pretty miffed about how this will affect my resale value. I mean I only have a Trail model, mine isn't even the Trail Special Edition
Also I'm pretty miffed about how this will affect my resale value. I mean I only have a Trail model, mine isn't even the Trail Special Edition
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I do understand that there are other factors in play... that's called life.
What year(s) did they sell over 130k units?
jrandom
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I understand that :doh: LOL that isn't how you framed it.
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That's all :shrug:They haven't but they have come close several times.
1997 128,496
1998 118,484
1999 124,221
2003 109,308
2004 114,212
2005 103,830
2006 103,086
Also there are ~31 million more people in the US since '99
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I am trying to order 21 ORP with the sliding cargo deck. I am in Pennsylvania- has anyone placed the order for 21's here yet? I am also told that sliding cargo deck is not an option in our region and so far I am striking out on dealership willing to trade. Other than the southeast region where else is this an option?
Ohio is part of the Southeast region, I believe. I’d have to look back at my paperwork.
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I understand that :doh: LOL that isn't how you framed it.
They haven't but they have come close several times.
1997 128,496
1998 118,484
1999 124,221
2003 109,308
2004 114,212
2005 103,830
2006 103,086
Also there are ~31 million more people in the US since '99
Good point. Let's compare to some cross shopping vehicles and total US auto sales for the periods in question.
2014-2019 Sales: 4Runner, Wrangler, JGC, Total US Auto in 1,000s
685.746 / 1228.414 / 1301.021 / 118749.695
2010-2013 Sales
191.255 / 513.941 / 541.388 / 78692.491
1994-2010 Sales
1485.647 / 1322.362 / 3266.951 / 96546.983
2014-2019 Sales Ratio: Wrangler/4Runner, JGC/4Runner, Total/4Runner (lower is better for Toyota)
1.8, 1.9, 96.7
2010-2013 Ratios
2.7 / 2.8 / 153.1
1994-2009 Ratios
.9 / 2.2 / 73.0
Looks like something happened to the Toyota 4Runners from 2010-2013, but I just can't seem to put my finger on the nose of this one. :bolt:
The real take away is that Toyota is not going to do a big update on the 4Runner until the next gen platform is here, as BOF only has some many folks in the market place. Otherwise they are going to keep it simple with what they've got since it is working.
Of course it might not be the 5a to b rev that is driving more sales. Could be marketing, pricing, color options, amazing infotainment system, product availability, etc. :tinfoil3:
Thank you. It is Ohio Valley Region.
What discount is achievable on 21 ORP factory order? Are doc fees negotiable?
Would you still recommend getting the '21 ORP with updated LED headlights and fog lights vs current model. I though the LED's would be a way to go since I keep reading about the poor headlights. I am in PA so certainly don't get as much snow as you, but driving on country roads with deer is an issue.
jimday1982
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OEM LED headlights were a deciding factor for me. I paid what amounted to a few thousand extra for a 2021 over a 2020, but being that I plan to keep this vehicle for 15 years, I did not want to sacrifice anything and then end up regretting it in the long run.
FYI, we also purchased a 2020 Limited for my wife last month and I'll confirm, the headlights are pretty awful compared to other modern vehicles. We could obviously replace them with aftermarket, but it seems that most bulbs and kits are junk from what I've been reading on various forums.
Oh okay. It is MI, OH, TN, and KY. Some doc fees could be negotiable, but keep in mind these fees are there to pay the people doing the work behind the curtain. As for discounts, I won't be of any help because I'm a Toyota Supplier, so my pricing is set at $500 less than invoice, plus any other Toyota incentives.
jrandom
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You chose to cross shop an American made vehicle with a Japanese made vehicle during a massive recession period? One that specifically hammered US auto makers, at that time were offering stupid discounts on new autos? Concurrently, the highest adjusted for inflation gas prices since the late seventies? Roughly 4 years of ~$4.00 per gallon fuel does not bode well for a gas guzzler.
I do see where you are going and of course, the major point being, you like the fugly front and I do not. That's totally okay
It makes for an interesting discussion. I personally think the 5th gen overall is fugly, 1st & 3rd's being my favorites :4runners being one of the original mid-size SUV have held market place for decades, that market share is totally generational now, much like other brand/models. Kids grow up in them, get hand-me-downs and often buying new later.
I concur, Toyota's marketing is doing a good job selling to those with the "get out" & "go wild" whatever. People are slurping it up like good soup, regardless of the ~17 real world per mile fuel economy! Which lots of folks will then come here and complain about! oh and hell yeah 9 trim levels, woohoo!
Certainly that amazing infotainment system has kept Toyota on top
Having long generations is great for those of us, like you(?) and I that hold on and actually repair, instead of move on. So just for that, yeah, I am fine with all those sales. We've got spare parts for eons.
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The GX doesn't have a locking rear diff, but it does come with a center diff lock.
Which it only needs because of the full time 4wd option. That's no better traction wise than a regular transfer case which is already a locked center member.
old12valve
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Haha! Yeah. I've enjoyed this forum and will continue to read here. I've looked at tons of posts and builds and if I don't like the Rubicon, then I'll trade it in on something else, perhaps a 4Runner.
old12valve
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You're not wrong, Jeeps are pretty bad on the highway. But that's not what it's going to be primarily used for. It will be a grocery getter and off-road vehicle. I have a place I stay in the summer near Tahoe and it will see countless miles off-road.
It may seem strange, but I feel a little bit better about beating around off-road in a Jeep than scratching up a beautiful 4-Runner, especially if I was going to sell it. Some off-road pinstripes on a Rubicon are expected. On a 4Runner that could turn buyers off. And yes, I'm always thinking about resale because I have been known to not like a vehicle and move on.
PS - Long ago I used to have a 1973 CJ-5 with a 3 speed manual and no power steering. You want to talk about a miserable ride and driving experience? It was "fun" for a while, but after about 3 years as a daily I was ready to move on.
old12valve
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Haha, great analogy. Color is another reason why I didn't buy a 4runner. They need way more colors than they have offered over the past several years. I like the Cement but it was only available on a past TRD Pro. Of course now it appears to be coming back. I'm not sure what they're doing with such a limited selection.
