Toyota Trademarks FT-4X Name - FJ Cruiser Revival? UPDATE: REVEALED
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PaulsTrail
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Looks like a Jeep Renegade, after being beaten by the ugly stick. :barf: The tire size is identical to the Renegade Limited by the way.
Canadian Runner
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Yeah it's terrible, however it's got a look that says I'm never going to production.
GHARP57
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Some version of this vehicle will be, Toyota isn't big on the "look what we can think of" mindset, the FT-1 is the supra, before that the other ft turned into the AE86, I think we are seeing a close to production model, but who knows until the full release
Jetboy
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Completely agree. I don't think MPG will get significantly better. But what is pretty well demonstrated is that engines can operate efficiently at cruising speed AND offer more power. You don't have to choose one or the other. Unfortunately we currently do have to live with that mindset. I don't think a 4.6L v8 would be any different at all in mpg in a 4runner, and it would offer significant performance improvements. OTOH I think the 4.0L is plenty powerful for my 4runner, but the tuning and gearing could use some work to make it better. For me personally I'd rather have a smaller vehicle with less weight than more power. But a crossover "softroader" isn't what I want. If there's a 4tuner under that hideous orange skin of the concept I might be inclined to like it though.
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FourEyedWilly
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This actually makes me a little mad and downright disappointed. I just cannot understand how in any way, shape or form this is even going to be more than a bug splat on the new Bronco's windshield? I can't even laugh at that deplorable turd. I hope Toyota does read these forums and it does invoke a sense of "what the hell is Calty doing?".
1) Small displacement 4cyl Gee, thanks.
2) Continuously variable transmission. Just die. Die Dead. WTF.
3) “picture window” set into the C pillar, spanning from the wheel well into the roofline. It’s removable, allowing the owner to substitute a tinted glass panel suiting his or her mood Again, just go fire yourself.
4) The interior is an imaginative festival of small object storage bins, helpfully color-coded—blue, for closed storage, orange for open, in case the user has trouble distinguishing between them. HO-LEE-FARTBISCUITS! Is that bin open or closed?
Calty design chief Ian Cartabiano sums it up as “rugged charm.” "Look! A water tanker and vinegar tanker collided!!
"Ford's coming out with a solid front axle Bronco to compete with the Wrangler? I got this, hold my beer!...
Let me explain what a Bronco killer might appear like Mr. Carabiano...
1) Small displacement 4cyl Gee, thanks.
2) Continuously variable transmission. Just die. Die Dead. WTF.
3) “picture window” set into the C pillar, spanning from the wheel well into the roofline. It’s removable, allowing the owner to substitute a tinted glass panel suiting his or her mood Again, just go fire yourself.
4) The interior is an imaginative festival of small object storage bins, helpfully color-coded—blue, for closed storage, orange for open, in case the user has trouble distinguishing between them. HO-LEE-FARTBISCUITS! Is that bin open or closed?
Calty design chief Ian Cartabiano sums it up as “rugged charm.” "Look! A water tanker and vinegar tanker collided!!
"Ford's coming out with a solid front axle Bronco to compete with the Wrangler? I got this, hold my beer!...
Let me explain what a Bronco killer might appear like Mr. Carabiano...
MN4runnerman
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Ford is gonna have to bring back the Eddie Bauer edition bronco to compete with the FT-4X North Face edition.........
This just looks like a renegade to me which is fine if you have a man bun and love craft beer. But this is the way the market is trending. True off-roading is dying. Camping on a maintained road or national forest and posting pics on insta is the future. Can't be mad when a business tries to make money in a market that's growing.
This just looks like a renegade to me which is fine if you have a man bun and love craft beer. But this is the way the market is trending. True off-roading is dying. Camping on a maintained road or national forest and posting pics on insta is the future. Can't be mad when a business tries to make money in a market that's growing.
BlackWorksInc
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Oh look, a uni-body wanna-be that thinks it's a big boy truck? Yeah, that sounds about righ with how Toyota thinks "off-roading" looks.
I hate it when I'm right... the fact it's under-pinned by the TNGA platform only tells me that they've got something similar to this in the works already and at least thankfully it will look far blander than what we see here.
Though the airlock rear hatch handle is... strangely alluring. I have no idea why I would ever want to see it on a vehicle... but it is interesting.
I hate it when I'm right... the fact it's under-pinned by the TNGA platform only tells me that they've got something similar to this in the works already and at least thankfully it will look far blander than what we see here.
Though the airlock rear hatch handle is... strangely alluring. I have no idea why I would ever want to see it on a vehicle... but it is interesting.
FourEyedWilly
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I went out to the garage and apologized to my 4Runner. Then I gave it a hug. If anything close to that makes it to market it just becomes embarrassing.
FX-4X DUPLO EDITION.
Target market...
FX-4X DUPLO EDITION.
Target market...
This actually makes me a little mad and downright disappointed. I just cannot understand how in any way, shape or form this is even going to be more than a bug splat on the new Bronco's windshield? I can't even laugh at that deplorable turd. I hope Toyota does read these forums and it does invoke a sense of "what the hell is Calty doing?".
1) Small displacement 4cyl Gee, thanks.
2) Continuously variable transmission. Just die. Die Dead. WTF.
3) “picture window” set into the C pillar, spanning from the wheel well into the roofline. It’s removable, allowing the owner to substitute a tinted glass panel suiting his or her mood Again, just go fire yourself.
4) The interior is an imaginative festival of small object storage bins, helpfully color-coded—blue, for closed storage, orange for open, in case the user has trouble distinguishing between them. HO-LEE-FARTBISCUITS! Is that bin open or closed?
Calty design chief Ian Cartabiano sums it up as “rugged charm.” "Look! A water tanker and vinegar tanker collided!!
"Ford's coming out with a solid front axle Bronco to compete with the Wrangler? I got this, hold my beer!...
Let me explain what a Bronco killer might appear like Mr. Carabiano...
Wouldn't a 70 series LC be a 4Runner competitor?
This is for the Renegade market. It was never meant to be a BOF off roader. I said that when I saw the crossover sized tires. They would be going after the Renegade or Crosstrek market with this (if it were anything more than a design exercise). I like it as a cute ute. Give it a 6MT, the Camry's new 2.5, and a decent transfer case and it wouldn't be a bad little foul weather runabout.
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FourEyedWilly
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I'll give you that Quentin. It's an interesting entry into that market.
Posting the 70 is just a suggestion to design cues. It's deflating seeing a car company with history like the Landcrusier, 4Runner, Hilux and even the Tacoma just flat out ignore heritage for so long and follow rather than lead as of late.
I'll tell you what though, that concept makes me appreciate my 4Runner even more. To hell with power and mpg. I'll take what I got. I don't want water bottles for door handles.
Posting the 70 is just a suggestion to design cues. It's deflating seeing a car company with history like the Landcrusier, 4Runner, Hilux and even the Tacoma just flat out ignore heritage for so long and follow rather than lead as of late.
I'll tell you what though, that concept makes me appreciate my 4Runner even more. To hell with power and mpg. I'll take what I got. I don't want water bottles for door handles.
BlackWorksInc
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[MENTION=48413]Quentin[/MENTION]
Problem is that given Toyota's seemingly "out of touch"-ness with certain aspects such as "performance" and "off-road capability" as well as their Truck/SUV popularity; this will be the type of vehicle that kills the 4Runner. They have the Rav4 (and soon Rav4 Adventure!), unless they're going to incorporate these ideas into a new Rav4 I doubt they'd want to directly compete with their own CUV. They have the CH-R now as well to give people a quasi "two-door Rav4" feeling and then the Highlander to fill the bigger niche there as well. Considering their push to move everything onto TNGA sooner rather than later, my guess is this will be the under pinnings (though most likely not styling) of the new Rav4 when they get around to doing another generation. If not expanding it to a slightly larger platform to try and axe the 4Runner going down the line (a mistake in my opinion.)
It's sort of up in the air as Toyota lately can't seem to make a consistent direction/decision without stumbling over themselves or just missing the mark completely.
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Oh Snap! I didn't realize the funky space handle was to switch between "barn door mode" and "hatch mode", that's actually pretty damn cool!
Problem is that given Toyota's seemingly "out of touch"-ness with certain aspects such as "performance" and "off-road capability" as well as their Truck/SUV popularity; this will be the type of vehicle that kills the 4Runner. They have the Rav4 (and soon Rav4 Adventure!), unless they're going to incorporate these ideas into a new Rav4 I doubt they'd want to directly compete with their own CUV. They have the CH-R now as well to give people a quasi "two-door Rav4" feeling and then the Highlander to fill the bigger niche there as well. Considering their push to move everything onto TNGA sooner rather than later, my guess is this will be the under pinnings (though most likely not styling) of the new Rav4 when they get around to doing another generation. If not expanding it to a slightly larger platform to try and axe the 4Runner going down the line (a mistake in my opinion.)
It's sort of up in the air as Toyota lately can't seem to make a consistent direction/decision without stumbling over themselves or just missing the mark completely.
Post Note-
Oh Snap! I didn't realize the funky space handle was to switch between "barn door mode" and "hatch mode", that's actually pretty damn cool!
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I just read where the 4Runner is up 25.5% for March 2017. The best ever March and 1st Q it has ever had.
I think you just have to look at the Jeep dynamic to see that people want this type of vehicle along with an actual off-roader. It doesn't have to be one or the other. I don't think that people looking for a cute-ute are going to spring for a 4Runner when they decide they want something more capable than a C-HR or RAV4... gaining 1000lbs and dropping fuel economy by 30% isn't a decision made lightly. But, if they can drive over to the Jeep dealer and get a Cherokee Trailhawk or Renegade Trailhawk and have more capability than the city ready Toyotas while only giving up a few MPG and little in the way of road manners, Toyota just loses a sale. This would be a Kia Soul/Subaru Crosstrek killer were it to come to market. Why Kia hasn't made an "off-road" trim of the Soul, I'll never know. Money printer.
The survival of the 4Runner hinges on fuel economy standards, IMO, not some Subaru style off-roader. If the regulations are relaxed or the ROW Prado comes more in line with the 4Runner, it will see a 6th gen.
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