Toyota's "weak roof" conspiracy...

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"Toyota looks to have a potential public-relations nightmare on its hands. According to CBS News, one of the company's former lawyers, Dimitrios P. Biller, has filed a federal racketeering suit against the Japanese automaker. Biller worked for Toyota from 2003 through 2007 defending the company against rollover lawsuits blaming injuries and deaths on the alleged instability and weak roof structures of the company's SUVs and pickups. Biller's suit alleges that Toyota has withheld electronic evidence like emails in over 300 rollover cases, and it states that evidence was destroyed by the company in spite of his efforts to secure the data. The suit also alleges that Toyota withheld design and test data for vehicle roofs, and it also states that some vehicles on the road today don't meet roof safety standards."
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WTF? Last I checked there was no crash testing for roofs. What dumb arse can say car's roof is too weak for roll over? Here is a news: GET A ROLL CAGE if you concerned (flipping lawers). Also I'd like to file a lawsuit against BMW for my M3 Convertibles "weak" roof, because in case of rollover I might die... O, and I'd like to sue Suzuki motorcycles for providing my GSX-R with no roof whatsoever!
 
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Most (if not all) companies do internal testings to test their rollover performance. This is not good for Toyota, which has seen quite a bit of quality issues (fender tears, premature rusting frames, blowup diffs, etc.) come up lately.

Getting a rollcage is really not a solution for the average citizen. Most modern convertibles have rollover pop-up bars to prevent injury in a rollover.

Interesting to see how this turns out....
 
:corn: This will be interesting. I want to see if the LC, Prado and GX470 are involved, I suspect they won't be.


It's going to suck for a while for all of us. Whatever the facts are our resale value will take a temporary hit. I say temporary because as a society we have short memories.

:cheers:
 
It's going to suck for a while for all of us. Whatever the facts are our resale value will take a temporary hit. I say temporary because as a society we have short memories.
:cheers:

So true.

I remember seeing a few years back about photos of Land Cruiser 80 rolling over and you can really see major roof collapsing! :cry2:
 
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What vehicle now days doesn't have a weak roof? Its probably safer than my Kawasaki right? My old ford truck with the gas tank behind the seat was dangerous too. So was my chevy truck with those saddlebag gas tanks. Someone could probably find something unsafe with every vehicle on the road. Someday we will all be riding in bubbles. Notice I didn't say driving because thats dangerous too! Screw it, at least the runner is still reliable.I don't plan to roll over. When its your time, it your time no matter what.
 
Who says Toyota's have weak roofs.....??
 

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OK now that is a good picture, I wonder what landed on that. I will say I had a friend snap a photo with his phone and send it to me of a 3rd Gen that rolled on the freeway. Roof was totally colapsed to the main side panels. As if they removed the glass and pressed the roof down, the driver was DOA. However at 70+ not sure how many other vehicles would have faired any better.
 
It's nothing but lawyer driven BS .

Well, to be honest, i would not just throw this "accusation" under the bus just yet...how would we ever get Toyota to pay for the rusted Tacoma frames, the blown up rear differential, the fender tears, etc..

This type of suit, if at all true, will help ALL OF US have a safer vehicle to drive in. If nothing else, then Toyota will know that there will be people keeping a close eye on Toyota's roof construction on future vehicles.

Falls, see the video motif posted...so, again, i doubt that this is all lawyer driven BS...there may be some truth behind it.

See link: http://www.iihs.org/ratings/roof/detailsbyclass.aspx?58

IIHS already has tested the small SUVs...only a matter of time that they will test other SUVs, esp. how SUVs are infamous for rollovers, at least from 20/20 and Dateline's perspectives! :D

It would be interesting to see how Mercedes do because i have seen a lot of videos of how MB factories toss MB cars around to simulate a rollover...supposedly MB is very good at this...so, i am really interested to see if MB stands up to the IIHS test! Here is a sample of the 2010 E class being tested: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LtEWGzXfYI Other MB tests: http://www.whnet.com/4x4/slroll.html
 
Here is the official story on the matter: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/08/29/cbsnews_investigates/main5273636.shtml

You guys can come to your conclusion, but here are a few interesting tidbits if you're too tired to read the whole thing:

A former attorney for Toyota has accused the automaker of illegally withholding evidence in hundreds of rollover death and injury cases, in a "ruthless conspiracy" to keep evidence "of its vehicles' structural shortcomings from becoming known."

The explosive allegations are contained in a federal racketeering suit filed in Los Angeles by Dimitrios P. Biller, former managing counsel for Toyota Motor Sales, USA, Inc., who claims his complaints about the company's legal misconduct cost him his job.

A hearing on the motion has been set for September 14.

Biller, who did not return phone calls, worked for Toyota Motor Sales, based in Torrance, Calif., from 2003 to 2007. He was involved in defending rollover lawsuits that blamed injuries and deaths on instability and weak roofs of the company's SUVs and pickups. Along with Toyota Motor Sales and Japanese parent Toyota Motor Corp., his suit names five senior executives and lawyers of Motor Sales. The case was filed July 24 in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, but has not been publicized until now.

Biller's 75-page complaint says that when he came to Toyota after nearly 15 years in private practice, he was "surprised and alarmed" to discover that the company was not producing e-mails and other electronically stored information to plaintiffs as he said was required. According to the lawsuit, Biller repeatedly complained to supervisors that the company was illegally withholding evidence.

The lawsuit further states that the resulting conflicts ultimately caused Biller to suffer a mental breakdown and led to his forced resignation in September 2007. He left with a $3.7 million severance agreement, court records show.

Despite these efforts, the engineering unit "was allowed to destroy relevant information and documents that should have been produced in, approximately, over 300 rollover accidents involving roof crush issues," the lawsuit claims.

It further charges that Toyota regularly, and improperly, withheld records on design and testing of vehicle roofs. For example, it says that Toyota never produced a document showing that the company's internal standard for roof strength was tougher than the federal requirement. Toyota engineers and witnesses repeatedly testified that the internal standard did not exist, the lawsuit says, adding that there are vehicles on the road today that do not meet the standard.

Word of the case has electrified the plaintiffs' bar, where some lawyers involved in vehicle cases have long voiced suspicions about foreign automakers withholding evidence.

With grim memories of Toyota's May 2004 courtroom victory over his quadriplegic client in a Toyota 4Runner rollover case, San Jose lawyer James McManis said he, too, was riveted by the charges. In the 4Runner case, everything with Toyota "was a big fight - and I mean everything - but I never suspected they were behaving dishonestly or concealing or withholding evidence," McManis said. "So I'm very interested in knowing whether we got all the discovery we should have got."

In its statement Friday, Toyota said it was "disappointed" that Biller has attempted "to avoid what we believe are his obligations as an attorney formerly employed by Toyota. In our view, Mr. Biller has repeatedly breached his ethical and professional obligations, both as an attorney and in his commitments to us, by violating attorney-client privilege."
 

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