Cymon
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Highlander
Forester (for non-third row options)
Outback (technically not SUV but can do all of the same stuff as a crossover w/o 3rd row and has more ground clearance than a non-air suspension JGC)
Traded it in
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Highlander
Forester (for non-third row options)
Outback (technically not SUV but can do all of the same stuff as a crossover w/o 3rd row and has more ground clearance than a non-air suspension JGC)
Brandonium
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Girlfriend has a brand new Outback. I quite like it despite the CVT in it. The factory clearance in comparison to the 4R is amazingly close. Matter of fact I feel like Toyota and Subaru share some stuff. The infotainment is eerily close to that of the entune system.
I do not know of many SUV's out that that compare to the 4R to be honest.
I do not know of many SUV's out that that compare to the 4R to be honest.
Bad trades
Traded in a '08 Mitsu Outlander (a damned good rig) on a '14 Jeep Cherokee. Got scared of that wonky 9 speed tranny, so traded the Cherokee on a '15 Wrangler JKU Altitude, and lost $10Gs. The Wrangler was great off-road, not nearly so great on the highway, noisy, not very nimble and finally had a small problem which ruined a long trip. So we traded it on a '16 4Runner Trail. Lost another $10Gs, and could not be happier! We love our 4Runner, the truck we rea:canada::canada:lly should have bought in trade for the Mitsu back in '14! Old too soon, smart too late, that's us! - Ted'n Betty
Traded in a '08 Mitsu Outlander (a damned good rig) on a '14 Jeep Cherokee. Got scared of that wonky 9 speed tranny, so traded the Cherokee on a '15 Wrangler JKU Altitude, and lost $10Gs. The Wrangler was great off-road, not nearly so great on the highway, noisy, not very nimble and finally had a small problem which ruined a long trip. So we traded it on a '16 4Runner Trail. Lost another $10Gs, and could not be happier! We love our 4Runner, the truck we rea:canada::canada:lly should have bought in trade for the Mitsu back in '14! Old too soon, smart too late, that's us! - Ted'n Betty
philsey
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Um, no, no, and no. While the Highlander is likely a great package, I don't see it as a mid-sized SUV. (Could just be me)
And Subies? .... well, CUV seems their category to me.
This. Fact is, if reliability is criteria #1, as it is for me, there isn't anything. There are a number of domestics with the form factor, but nothing I'd buy.
I hope Gen 6 isn't a disappointment.
Cymon
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Then you are correct, if you negate a vehicles like a highlander, which is essentially like every other "SUV" on the market there is nothing else. The only body on frame mid size SUV's left are the wrangler and 4Runner. The JGC, explorer and Dodge Durango, Honda Pilot...etc. are all unibody, so by throwing out vehicles like the highlander you are saying that they aren't SUV's either (regardless of reliability). So now you have to jump up to full size vehicles for true "SUV's". So by process of elimination than yes...4Runner is truly in a class by itself.
So if by asking your questions you just wanted forum members to throw out ideas just so you could shoot them down to prove that the 4Runner is unlike any other vehicle currently being sold in the US, than you were successful in your line of questioning.
As a little side note, the new outbacks have more cargo space than the JGC "a mid-size SUV" and are more capable than anything else out there in this price range off road, with the exception of the Jeeps and 4Runner. And the V6 can compete with any other vehicle on this list on road.
Just my .02 and experience.
philsey
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Well, my motive wasn't quite so sinister ... I am curious as to WTH might be considered competitive. I find the XC90 very attractive, but it's pricey and not quite sorted out yet. I would buy another 4R without hesitation, I just like to be informed.
I'll have to look at Subies, just because I never have. For no reason really, I just prefer a bigger vehicle.
crankycodger
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My wife has a new 2017 Outback, and the infotainment system isn't just eerily close, it's the exact same thing as in my 2016 4R Limited except that the screen is slightly larger in The Subaru. There are in fact several components, mostly electrical, that are common between the two vehicles.
My wife's Outback has the 3.6 six cylinder, and the darn thing will fly! Like you, I like it a lot. And I see nothing wrong with the CVT; in fact, it's extremely smooth.
Fidgets
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Toyota owns about 16% of Fuji Heavy Industries (Subaru is their car division). Maybe they're sharing intellectual property in the infotainment area, among others.
you mean like the post you made?
This is true. The Subaru manufacturing plant in Lafayette, IN has made Camry's right beside Outbacks for years.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subaru_of_Indiana_Automotive,_Inc.
Fomer_FJ_owner805
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My mom has a 15 Explorer its constantly in the shop. From broken seat belts, broken heater, to gremlins Ford cant figure out, Unless its a 100k Benz G-wagon with absurd maintenance dont stray form Toyota unless you lease every 3 years.
We are still seeing current model year subarus coming into our shop with oil consumption issues. No way i would ever buy one, Subie is the only make i have ever had to do pistons/rings on motors with less than 10k on them.
The current class action lawsuit only covers up to MY2015, but it sure feels like the issues arent 100% fixed.
The current class action lawsuit only covers up to MY2015, but it sure feels like the issues arent 100% fixed.
Brandonium
Member
For a company that supposedly sucks so bad they still have one of the highest consumer loyalty numbers.. How is that you suppose.
Brandonium
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You are right. The Subaru does have some additions that are lacking on the 4R such as vehicle and eco monitoring. It's not the CVT subaru that I dislike rather all CVT's. Just not a fan of how they feel driving but that's a personal thing and doesn't mean that the one in the Outback is crap. 
adoihcj
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Traded our 2015 Magnetic Gray Metallic Limited. The 4Runner is my most favorite SUV I've ever owned (this was my second 5th Gen), so getting rid of it was extremely difficult. Our needs changed and we need more space to haul kids, friends, and family around. We purchased a 2016 Sequoia SR5. Yes, I miss all of the upgrades on the Limited 4R, but other than that, I am extremely satisfied. And the 5.7L iForce is absolutely awesome!
Another disappointment is there just aren't enough forums out there to share experiences with other Sequoia owners like there are for the 4R. If anyone has a good suggestion, please let me know (I've googled everything possible and just can't find the right site to visit).
By the way, there's no way in this world I would have opted for a Yukon, Expedition, or Suburban. All the SUV reviewers recommended to opt for those instead of the Sequoia. Yes, you'll get a better cabin features, better fuel economy, and the latest technology, but there are just too many horror stories I read about those. As long as Toyota keeps building reliable vehicles, I won't switch.
Another disappointment is there just aren't enough forums out there to share experiences with other Sequoia owners like there are for the 4R. If anyone has a good suggestion, please let me know (I've googled everything possible and just can't find the right site to visit).
By the way, there's no way in this world I would have opted for a Yukon, Expedition, or Suburban. All the SUV reviewers recommended to opt for those instead of the Sequoia. Yes, you'll get a better cabin features, better fuel economy, and the latest technology, but there are just too many horror stories I read about those. As long as Toyota keeps building reliable vehicles, I won't switch.
FourEyedWilly
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I would go over to tundratalk.net. Bunch of great guys over there and quite a few of the underpinnings of the Sequoia are shared with the Tundra. I love me a lifted Sequoia too! I've seen only about three of them but damn they look good!
I went opposite, I went from an Edge to a 4runner.
The Edge was not too bad, but it was not an SUV and not comparable to the 4r.
The Edge for me was too small, too small for me to sit in comfortably for any drive over two hours. It would jsut kill my legs, no amount of seat repositioning would solve it.
I did not have it long enough for any age related things to come up (had it two years), but it was in the shop for two recall repairs and two warranty claims; one for a loose heat shield, which the loose heat shield was the most annoying sound ever. The other was that the battery mysteriously discharged within 24hours, the lights were not left on or anything, Ford could not diagnose why, but it only happened once, and I traded it in for the 4r shortly after.
I had the ecoboost engine, great MPG, but that thing had the worst lag of any thing, and I do not think it was turbo lag, it just would not go when hitting the gas. This made it dangerous in my opinion to drive. You could not just cut into another lane on the highway and hit the throttle, the car would just not go, you had to feather, play with the throttle just to have it accelerate.
Ford said this was normal and nothing was wrong with it.
The Edge was not too bad, but it was not an SUV and not comparable to the 4r.
The Edge for me was too small, too small for me to sit in comfortably for any drive over two hours. It would jsut kill my legs, no amount of seat repositioning would solve it.
I did not have it long enough for any age related things to come up (had it two years), but it was in the shop for two recall repairs and two warranty claims; one for a loose heat shield, which the loose heat shield was the most annoying sound ever. The other was that the battery mysteriously discharged within 24hours, the lights were not left on or anything, Ford could not diagnose why, but it only happened once, and I traded it in for the 4r shortly after.
I had the ecoboost engine, great MPG, but that thing had the worst lag of any thing, and I do not think it was turbo lag, it just would not go when hitting the gas. This made it dangerous in my opinion to drive. You could not just cut into another lane on the highway and hit the throttle, the car would just not go, you had to feather, play with the throttle just to have it accelerate.
Ford said this was normal and nothing was wrong with it.
wcjeep
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We seriously considered the 2015+ Ford Edge. Decided against it for various reasons. The 2015+ has a couple of issues logged at the NHTSA website. One is randomly turning off during slow speed turns. The 2015's still have MyFord Touch. They also have fit and finish issues. Skip to about the 14th minute in the linked video. The tech in the limited was nice. The 2016 upper trims now include slow speed adaptive steering.
Ford Edge YouTube review
Ford Edge YouTube review
