TrekLights LED Light Bar Group Buy

Troy,

It's 9 pm est and still no tracking number. I don't normally get pissed but when someone tells me I Will have something by a certain time and I don't, it strikes a nerve. You have until 8 am May 2 to get me a tracking number or I will file a complaint and get my money back through PayPal.

I'm in the same boat. Still no tracking # for me and I had three group buy lights and two custom lights coming my way (not cheap).

Troy - if you're reading this please get on this and show the same high level of customer service you did when you were taking my order and walking me through which lights would work best for my application.

We gave you THOUSAND$ of our hard earned money collectively and so far the only thing that any of us have to show for it is ANGST.
 
I was thinking about setting up a group buy on Chinese twinkies, anyone interested ? Super quick delivery via carrier pigeon, first 5 to order get a free vial of KY jelly and a cocktail umbrella.

Just make sure to check the lunar calendar for any upcoming holidays, hopefully there's some to blame it on when your pigeons can't deliver on time!

How many lumans?

....fool me once......


Hey guys, I'm all for a good joke especially when it goes towards releasing some justified anger. But for the sake of everyone who is still trying to get their refund/lights, lets chill on the joking ad chit chat and keep this thread on topic.
 
Hey guys, I'm all for a good joke especially when it goes towards releasing some justified anger. But for the sake of everyone who is still trying to get their refund/lights, lets chill on the joking ad chit chat and keep this thread on topic.

Buzzkill...

But seriously, a god damn update would do wonders! Guess that's too easy to do...

Only working for myself from now on. I learned the hard way. I get my shit done right the first time and correspond with EACH and EVERY customer until they get their products to make sure they are 100% satisfied with my work. No ifs ands or buts. I take pride in my work. Ask anyone I've done gauges for. I was wrong to associate my good name and standing with this poor excuse of a business outfit. I don't care what their excuses are, customer communication is #1. Transparency is #2.
 
Hey guys, I'm all for a good joke especially when it goes towards releasing some justified anger. But for the sake of everyone who is still trying to get their refund/lights, lets chill on the joking ad chit chat and keep this thread on topic.

Sorry! :grouphug:
 
OK boys, I just received my lights. Upon a cursory inspection, the order appears to be complete and everything appears to be intact without any significant damage.

The 22-inch XT appears to be pretty sturdy. The TrekPod Mono XT seems decent as well, though the bracket is chintzy. Interestingly, the TrekPod's lead has a "QC PASS" label while the 22-inch does not.


Big THANKS goes out to the Admins/Mods who ushered this along and all the individuals that stood up for themselves to be heard.

Good luck guys!!!
 
Hello Everyone,

What a roller coaster ride this has been.

Let me begin by saying that I know you are probably angry, frustrated, and tired of being in this thread. Believe me, I understand that.

Also, I would like to say that it was not my intention to disrespect any of you here.

I started this group buy with the best intentions- to offer you guys a deep discount on the products I distribute, to get my name out there. I wanted to start an auto parts distribution business, and this was supposed to be the springboard.

We all know that it didn't work out the way I planned.

It started with my supplier increasing the delivery time from 7 days to 21 days. Those 21 days coincided with Chinese holidays. The wire transfer from my bank to my agent's bank was stuck in limbo for 6 days before they received it. The air freight forwarder, who promised they would hold my hand through this process, delayed the process because they couldn't get Country of Origin, Export License, Import Bond, and Customs paperwork in order in a timely manner. I ended up having to hold their hand through this process. After that, the trucking company that was supposed to deliver the pallets to my garage lost their paperwork, so we had to get the transportation broker to forward that to them before we could receive the shipment.

I guess you could say that EVERYTHING that could go wrong, did.

I didn't want to share any of this with you, because I didn't want anyone to know what a cluster f*&k this was turning into. Looking back, it would probably have prevented lots of heartache if I had kept you guys in the know about all the mishaps.

The sudden influx of emails, phone calls, PM's, and voice mails was so overwhelming, I was only able to answer a small percentage of correspondence requests. When I was traveling on business last week (for my day job) and my wife took over, my phone stopped working, which was why it seemed I disappeared for a few days. You all should know that with a baby and a house to manage, she was organizing orders and dealing with the unreliable transportation broker while I was away.

Some folks seem to think I was just sitting on a big pile of cash, eating bon-bons, and laughing to myself at the expense of my customers. To those people I say, "I invite you to start a business with very little startup capital, deal with international suppliers, and try to balance that with a family and a full time job." Trust me, it sounds much simpler than it actually is.

I've learned lots of lessons by doing this group buy, all of which I'll post here, as a heads up for anyone thinking about organizing a group buy, or just starting a business in general:

1. Communication is key- No matter what the news is, good or bad, small or big, let folks know what's going on. If you try to hold it all in and hope for the best, people will get very mad. Or your head will explode. Not sure which is worse.

2. Under Promise and Over Deliver- This one I think comes with experience. If you think it'll take 30 days, quote 60. If you think 60, quote 90. Missing an estimated ship date is bad news bears, and contributes to people being angry.

3. NEVER pay your supplier 100% of the total amount due up front! You lose all of your negotiating power if you're dumb enough to do this... ahem... Pay 30-50% up front and the balance upon delivery. Pay less of the remaining balance for each day the shipment is late.

4. Get familiar with your supplier's culture- If I had researched Chinese business culture, I would have known that February - March is probably not the best time for doing business. Chinese New Year and Ancestor Holidays eat up 3-4 weeks at the minimum.

5. Screen your transportation brokers and ask for references- I had a smooth talking sales rep who assured me he knew what he was doing. He turned out to be less involved than a deadbeat dad. If I had asked around for recommendations, I would have found a better company.

6. Budget for delays so you can ship by sea, and not by air- My $500 shipping cost turned into a $4,000 shipping cost once the delays started compounding. This is what ate up ALL of the profit that would have been made on this group buy.

7. Get help- thinking you can do something of this scale all by yourself is foolish. Pay some friends to help you out.

8. One forum at a time- This would have been much more successful if I had done one forum per month, and not 5. Communication becomes very difficult. Going from 0-100 customers in 21 days is no laughing matter. You need a team of people just to keep up with the phone calls and emails. Add the PM's, supplier relations, shipping and logistics, and business supplies, and you're running an operation that would normally require 5-7 people on a bare bones level.

9. Kill them with kindness- Yes, there have been times where I wanted to write nasty-grams to members who were taunting, provoking, and generally stirring the pot and trying to incite a riot. I held my tongue, and I really believe that it was for the best. You don't want to feed trolls or risk making angry customers angrier. That's a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.

10. Learn from other people's mistakes- this one is almost a moot point, because you can’t really learn a lesson unless you've made the mistake yourself. 2000UZJ (whom I have gained an infinite amount of respect for) told me about the drama and stress associated with group buys, but I thought I'd go for the gusto and do it big. In retrospect, I probably should have taken a page out of his book.

11. Let your customers know they're appreciated- I really do appreciate those of you who stuck it out and offered words of encouragement through the process. You have no idea how much your words helped me to make it to the finish line.

12. Have a support system- I also have to thank my wife and her parents for their endless support. It was extremely trying to get this organized, and they were such a big help in getting everything into the garage and out the door.

At this point, I have responded to emails, sent out tracking numbers, and have solicited shipping addresses from those whom I did not have one.

I have lots of leftover lights, so if you need anything, you know where to find me.

This was one of the most eye opening experiences of my life. I learned so much about starting a company, people, and international trade. I thought that being my own boss would make me happy. I thought that building my own company would free me from the shackles of corporate America. Boy, was I naive! I never believed that growing too large, too quickly could be viewed as a problem. I thought, "I hope I DO have that problem! That'll be a great problem to have!" Little did I know that when you grow too big too soon, everyone gets to feel the effects. Both positive and negative.

So, as we wrap this up, I want to thank you all again for participating. I hope you enjoy your lights. Please post pictures and leave comments. If you've got any words of wisdom to add to the above, please do.
 
I read this response over at I8Mud.

I need the slow clap emicon for this. :cheers:

For anybody who's attempted a GP, or tried to help others will realize it's no easy task. People are always quick for savings, slow for understanding.

I'm not in the group buy but if I was I could understand the above reply.

I've talked with Troy recently on e-mails and will be ordering lights eventually.
 
[MENTION=90521]treklights[/MENTION]

I've been watching this for a while but haven't commented because I also have a group order thread and it felt like it would look petty, but enough is enough. It's time to man up and accept the blame for this Troy. It seems like every post you make is some excuse or new way to shift blame instead of just accepting responsibility.

People aren't mad because you're late, they're mad because you have completely ignored all of your customers' communication including logging onto this and other forums and watching the drama unfold rather than reminding everyone that you're still there and still trying. And you continue to ignore those who have asked for refunds and want you to lie in the hole you've dug.

Accept the blame, don't put it on your sales rep or foreign holidays (especially Chinese New Years which was over by 2/20, before you even began taking money). And you certainly don't blame the customers for 'overwhelming' you with questions about what's going on with their (mostly) hard-earned money; it's shocking that you say you responded to a few, despite not one person coming forward during 'the panic' saying he/she'd heard from you.

I'm fairly certain these customers don't want a list of 'lessons about opening a new business' from you. They want a genuine apology, answers to their questions (especially the ones regarding supposed lies), and their products or money.

edit- I'm know there a ton of people with concerns you need to address, and that is also overwhelming, but a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. You don't just give up because there are too many.
 
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For anybody who's attempted a GP, or tried to help others will realize it's no easy task. People are always quick for savings, slow for understanding.

I think it is more of his eyes being bigger than his stomach. I can type a novel as well but don't think people would buy it either.
 
[MENTION=90521]treklights[/MENTION]

I've been watching this for a while but haven't commented because I also have a group order thread and it felt like it would look petty, but enough is enough. It's time to man up and accept the blame for this Troy. It seems like every post you make is some excuse or new way to shift blame instead of just accepting responsibility.

People aren't mad because you're late, they're mad because you have completely ignored all of your customers' communication including logging onto this and other forums and watching the drama unfold rather than reminding everyone that you're still there and still trying. And you continue to ignore those who have asked for refunds and want you to lie in the hole you've dug.

Accept the blame, don't put it on your sales rep or foreign holidays (especially Chinese New Years which was over by 2/20, before you even began taking money). And you certainly don't blame the customers for 'overwhelming' you with questions about what's going on with their (mostly) hard-earned money; it's shocking that you say you responded to a few, despite not one person coming forward during 'the panic' saying he/she'd heard from you.

I'm fairly certain these customers don't want a list of 'lessons about opening a new business' from you. They want a genuine apology, answers to their questions (especially the ones regarding supposed lies), and their products or money.

edit- I'm know there a ton of people with concerns you need to address, and that is also overwhelming, but a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. You don't just give up because there are too many.

Way to turn an explanation of the facts into insincere lip service!

Gaterose, I sincerely hope that your next group buy grows as large and as fast as mine did. I also hope that you're prepared to handle it.

I admitted to making mistakes in my above post. Read for content and you'll see that.

I've apologized many times during this group buy. Read each page if you have an afternoon to spare and you'll see that.

Finally, my "business advice" was help for anyone who was thinking about starting a group buy in the future. I wish I had a resource like that before I started mine.

So please, spare me the lecture. It does look petty. If you're ever in Florida, come see me in person and we can talk about this in person over a beer. But no need for the character assassination in this thread.
 
Way to turn an explanation of the facts into insincere lip service!

Gaterose, I sincerely hope that your next group buy grows as large and as fast as mine did. I also hope that you're prepared to handle it.

I admitted to making mistakes in my above post. Read for content and you'll see that.

I've apologized many times during this group buy. Read each page if you have an afternoon to spare and you'll see that.

Finally, my "business advice" was help for anyone who was thinking about starting a group buy in the future. I wish I had a resource like that before I started mine.

So please, spare me the lecture. It does look petty. If you're ever in Florida, come see me in person and we can talk about this in person over a beer. But no need for the character assassination in this thread.

I really think you could have handled this response a little better.

Yes, I am a small business owner and understand what you are going thru. I ran into similar issues bringing in a container of auto parts from Japan in 1999. But we learn and grow thru our struggles. Best of luck and keep the responses positive.
 
I really think you could have handled this response a little better.

Yes, I am a small business owner and understand what you are going thru. I ran into similar issues bringing in a container of auto parts from Japan in 1999. But we learn and grow thru our struggles. Best of luck and keep the responses positive.

My apologies, I let my instinct slip out for a second. ;)
 
Way to turn an explanation of the facts into insincere lip service!

Gaterose, I sincerely hope that your next group buy grows as large and as fast as mine did. I also hope that you're prepared to handle it.

I admitted to making mistakes in my above post. Read for content and you'll see that.

I've apologized many times during this group buy. Read each page if you have an afternoon to spare and you'll see that.

Finally, my "business advice" was help for anyone who was thinking about starting a group buy in the future. I wish I had a resource like that before I started mine.

So please, spare me the lecture. It does look petty. If you're ever in Florida, come see me in person and we can talk about this in person over a beer. But no need for the character assassination in this thread.

I think you've probably done enough self inflicted assassination of character already to last you a while buddy :)


Admittedly, I've not kept up with the entire drama that unfolded in this thread, but just from reading your most recent explanation of the whole situation it really just sounded like a long winded post of shifting the blame.

The only thing you've seemed to admit to (and apologize for) was being in over your head. That still doesn't explain all the supposed lies of receiving a shipment, then not receiving a shipment, then having mystery broken pallets. When asked about any of that you just dance around the question.

I have no vested interested in this thread whatsoever as I did not end up purchasing anything from the group buy (thankfully). But what puts a sour taste in my mouth is how drastically your character changed once the sales pitch was over and the money is in your hands.

I still remember how promptly you responded to any of my questions, and with utmost courtesy; only to end up seeing everyone having to pull teeth to get their product or their money back.

IMO this kind of conduct just ruins peoples outlook on group buys and trusting new sellers in general, and that's why it bothers me.
 

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