What is everyone using for the 199 brake upgrade?

Silver Supra

Silver Supra

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I've had a set of 199 calipers/rotors from Napa for a couple of years and both fronts are nearly frozen. With the tire off the ground I can barely turn one by hand, the other I cannot.

I'm thinking of just throwing them in the trash and going with a power stop kit, but wanted to see what everyone else is using?

I don't have time to rummage through a junk yard and want brakes that just work.

Thanks!
 
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I went with the 199 power stop kit. Ordered from RockAuto and sent them my old original calipers as a core.

They have been great for me and everything seemed high quality. Only issue I had was the pad retaining clip broke on the driver side causing the pad to rattle. Replaced it and haven't had the problem again.

You could rebuild the ones you have if youre looking for a little project. Might be worth it if they are OEM.
 
I didn't want red calipers, so I bought Cardone Ultra Premium calipers from RockAuto (powder coated in gray), and the Power Stop rotors and Z36 pads, also from RockAuto. I'm happy with the setup so far.

Interesting factoid is that it was significantly cheaper to order Power Stop calipers, rotors, and pads from RockAuto separately than as one complete kit, at least at that time.
 
Silver Supra said:
I've had a set of 199 calipers/rotors from Napa for a couple of years and both fronts are nearly frozen. With the tire off the ground I can barely turn one by hand, the other I cannot.
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I bought mine from Napa too and am starting to have the same issue... I can still turn the wheels but it's not easy.
 
Silver Supra said:
I've had a set of 199 calipers/rotors from Napa for a couple of years and both fronts are nearly frozen. With the tire off the ground I can barely turn one by hand, the other I cannot.

I'm thinking of just throwing them in the trash and going with a power stop kit, but wanted to see what everyone else is using?

I don't have time to rummage through a junk yard and want brakes that just work.

Thanks!
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I just commute on pavement in my 3rd gen so I have the basic Power Stop rotors and some auto zone gold ceramic pads, 20k miles later and everything is still perfect. Just ordered a power stop kit for my other 3rd gen, so a Power stop kit is definitely a good option
 
Silver Supra said:
I ended up ordering a Power Stop 231 kit today and will be tossing my NAPA garbage in the the... well... garbage.
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Im sure there is guys on here that would love to get some used napa 199 calipers/rotors, especially since its prob guaranteed for life.

Offer them up for free on the forums. I have the 231 napa's and while I haven't checked if I can freely spin them with my hands. My mileage has been the same over the 30k + miles I've had them.
 
4Runner4Leon said:
I didn't want red calipers, so I bought Cardone Ultra Premium calipers from RockAuto (powder coated in gray), and the Power Stop rotors and Z36 pads, also from RockAuto. I'm happy with the setup so far.

Interesting factoid is that it was significantly cheaper to order Power Stop calipers, rotors, and pads from RockAuto separately than as one complete kit, at least at that time.
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How have the cardone calipers held up so far?
 
I have the 199 calipers. OEM. Got them used from a forum member a while back. I rebuilt them with OEM seal kits and new OEM pistons. I ran them for a while then one of them started to hang up. Took the suspect one apart and found it to be rusty right on the edge underneath the dust seal. Cleaned it up. Lightly honed the bore edge. Painted the metal right to the edge. Again used new OEM seals. Had the same problem about 6 months later. I'm willing to bet that most of the people who have this problem are in "rusty" environments or are fording a lot of water with their trucks. I just replaced that caliper last month. I forget the brand but it had all the same exact casting marks as my OEM caliper. I would think that most of the calipers out there are OEM castings probably with AM pistons and seals of varying quality. We'll see how these hold up.
 
I must ask.

What is the rotor size and brake pad size difference between the factory 3gen and the smaller 199 braking system?

Also what is the caliper piston diameter of the OEM 3rd gen, the 199 (45mm I think), and the 231mm?


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JRZEE2000TR4LTD said:
I forget the brand but it had all the same exact casting marks as my OEM caliper.
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Most companies only sell OEM reman'd calipers. So if you order Powerstop, Calihan, NAPA, etc. they are all the same OEM Toyota calipers, very few companies have reverse engineered a caliper and made their own, I'm yet to see one for our 4Runners. Where it differs between companies is the quality of the aftermarket seals and components installed in them.

I'm going on 4 years with my Powerstop calipers with no issue.

[MENTION=198376]4Runner4Leon[/MENTION] try re-bedding your brakes. When I installed my rotors, I went on some "spirited" drives and heated up my brakes big time. I thought I had warped them but realize that the pad material wasn't evenly distributed on the rotor, I could see it. I did another brake bedding proceduce and the wobble went away.

If that doesn't do it, just have them turned at a machine shop for cheap.
 
gamefreakgc said:
Most companies only sell OEM reman'd calipers. So if you order Powerstop, Calihan, NAPA, etc. they are all the same OEM Toyota calipers, very few companies have reverse engineered a caliper and made their own, I'm yet to see one for our 4Runners. Where it differs between companies is the quality of the aftermarket seals and components installed in them.

I'm going on 4 years with my Powerstop calipers with no issue.

[MENTION=198376]4Runner4Leon[/MENTION] try re-bedding your brakes. When I installed my rotors, I went on some "spirited" drives and heated up my brakes big time. I thought I had warped them but realize that the pad material wasn't evenly distributed on the rotor, I could see it. I did another brake bedding proceduce and the wobble went away.

If that doesn't do it, just have them turned at a machine shop for cheap.
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Thanks, I'll give that a shot. I bedded them in per the instructions, and they were fine for a while. Just recently I noticed the chatter again. I'll try the procedure again.
 
Pedal Feel?

This is a little off-topic, but with the 199 upgrade does it change the pedal feel at all? I keep getting inconsistent info. If you go with the 199 and bleed your brakes properly or have a shop bleed them does the pedal travel or feel change (and is it noticeably obvious) with the 199 upgrade?
 
Ser1clymb said:
This is a little off-topic, but with the 199 upgrade does it change the pedal feel at all? I keep getting inconsistent info. If you go with the 199 and bleed your brakes properly or have a shop bleed them does the pedal travel or feel change (and is it noticeably obvious) with the 199 upgrade?
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It didn't change te pedal feel for me at all... That's why I stayed away from the 231mm upgrade. My '98 brakes great now.
 
I just installed the 199 Centric Posi-Quiet calipers and Centric premium rotors yesterday
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog....7l+v8,1375365,brake+&+wheel+hub,caliper,1704
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I've been pleased with Centric stuff on my other cars, so I expect I'll be happy with them on the 4Runner. I like the coated hub & edge on the rotors, and they've run straight. Unfortunately I broke a corroded hard brake line, so my rig is still on stands. Hopefully, get to that tomorrow. It's probably drained the master cylinder while it's been sitting, that will add to the fun.

marthe4runnerguy said:
True that's my fault , here is the correct link

2001 TOYOTA TUNDRA 4.7L V8 Caliper, Rotor & Brake Pad Kit | RockAuto
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