What?? Limited slip??

[Camprunner]

Today I was going up my packed snow covered driveway and I gave the runner some gas and the track-control kicked in. When I got out of the truck I noticed that I had two lines of tire digging in the snow.

If we dont have an automatic locking diff or a limited slip in our 4runners why does it look like both tires threw snow??

Or is this the result of the trac-control shifting from side to side fast??

 

[mole177]

i can't picture what you said about 2 lines... and throwing snow.

 

[Thai]

Today I was going up my packed snow covered driveway and I gave the runner some gas and the track-control kicked in. When I got out of the truck I noticed that I had two lines of tire digging in the snow.

If we dont have an automatic locking diff or a limited slip in our 4runners why does it look like both tires threw snow??

Or is this the result of the trac-control shifting from side to side fast??

Did you gas it hard?? Did your RPM go above 2000 or so?? It could have been that your traction control kicked in fast...but more likely, you pushed on the gas hard enough to decrease traction control intervention. Traction control decreases it's intervention once you get above 2000 rpms or so. Thus, TC did probably slow down a wheel (to gain traction) but not enough (aka standstill) because you still saw two lines. In addition, in HI range, TC is really for all-season purposes. Therefore, it will NOT stop your tire to a standstill...it will just slow down your spinning wheel.

 

[Falls]

Wouldn't that be the Atrac ? I dont know if you have 2wd or 4wd.

I can get all 4 tires roosting in 4hi with diff locked .

 

[Camprunner]

Re: Re: What?? Limited slip??

Did you gas it hard?? Did your RPM go above 2000 or so?? It could have been that your traction control kicked in fast...but more likely, you pushed on the gas hard enough to decrease traction control intervention. Traction control decreases it's intervention once you get above 2000 rpms or so. Thus, TC did probably slow down a wheel (to gain traction) but not enough (aka standstill) because you still saw two lines. In addition, in HI range, TC is really for all-season purposes. Therefore, it will NOT stop your tire to a standstill...it will just slow down your spinning wheel.

Yes Thai I did gas it hard .......... So let me get this straight if I go above 2K on the tack the track-control will dis-connect ? Is this only if the Diff is locked?

 

[Thai]

Re: Re: Re: What?? Limited slip??

Yes Thai I did gas it hard .......... So let me get this straight if I go above 2K on the tack the track-control will dis-connect ? Is this only if the Diff is locked?

It does not disconnect, but TRAC will have less of an influence. Traction control for the most part is not meant for high speed operation...most brands shut off by 30-40 mph.

 

[Camprunner]

Thai ...

Since we are on the subject of traction I was wondering what your MB has "Lockers?" " .... "LTD slip?"... "Open diffs?"

And I was wondering how them Firestone MT tires you purchased some time ago are working out. (I was reading your post on them the other day)

 

[Thai]

Thai ...

Since we are on the subject of traction I was wondering what your MB has "Lockers?" " .... "LTD slip?"... "Open diffs?"

And I was wondering how them Firestone MT tires you purchased some time ago are working out. (I was reading your post on them the other day)

My G comes with both ATRAC and lockers. When my lockers are not locked, then ATRAC and ESP (stability control) rule. However, as soon as i lock my lockers (3 of them...front, center, rear), all electronic nannies shut off including ABS.

The Firestones are AMAZING!! I love them! This past weekend, it did great...it was better on rocks than my old BFG AT KO. And it was 10000000000000 tmes better in mud. The road noise is just a tad. Highly recommend them.

 

[Camprunner]

WoW!!...... So many Lockers so little time

I have a friend that sells tires and has for many years he is just a book of know how on the things he sells F-stones as well as many other brands. He says that since F-stone had there so called Re-structure some years ago there product has just made great strides.

As a matter of fact I had asked him some time ago about the Dest-MT and he said out of all the MT type tires he can get (he can get them all) The F-stone MT is what he has on his truck.

 

[Falls]

I cant happier than with Atrac , that system kicks butt when the center diff. is locked. It also shuts off the ele. stuff (VSC) but not anti-lock brakes.

Camp , Do you have a 2wd or a 4wd ?

I would love to have lockers , but really cant see a need for them with the wheeling I do. If I was rock crawling like Thai did it would be great. Really dont know what the diff. would be in the mud pit , since the Atrac allows all 4 wheels to drive anyway in hi & lo range.

When I looked at Tacoma's there is the sport addition that is 4x4 with limited slip rear diff.

The other is Off Road addition has 4x4 with rear ele, locker that can be used in lo range only ( in stock form , some have modified that to use in hi range but have had problems ).

Personally I would take the Sport edition limited slip as it works in 2wd , 4hi & 4lo. Much more useful in most all situations , of road , street , snow storm driving ect... climbing on rocks ect.... the locker would be preferable , BUT I'm talking about us who use their trucks for daily driving in all kinds of road and off road conditions. If it was just my off road toy that would be a different story.

I if I bought an FJ , I would opt for the rear locker because from what I understand it does have Atrac in front & rear axles , and to have that locker switch would be great to have if you needed it .

 

[Camprunner]

Falls I have a 4x4 "06" V-6 sport........ Hay I thought the locker was standard on the FJ ? also can you believe they put them little Girl "Dunflops" on the FJ, The first thing I would do is put some real tires on that ride!! I can see why they put them on the 4runner but not the FJ.

 

[Thai]

Really dont know what the diff. would be in the mud pit , since the Atrac allows all 4 wheels to drive anyway in hi & lo range.

ATRAC in mud is not as proficient as locker because ATRAC acts to counter forward progress via braking the spinning wheels. Although you can still spin all four wheels, your wheels are not spinning as fast as they can with ATRAC.

 

[Falls]

ATRAC in mud is not as proficient as locker because ATRAC acts to counter forward progress via braking the spinning wheels. Although you can still spin all four wheels, your wheels are not spinning as fast as they can with ATRAC.

I can understand that. Especially in the crap you were in .

Camp, I was under the impression that the rear locker was an option on the FJ. I also agree about the crappy tires on the FJ , but I have seen some on the lots around here , with BFG's and Bridgestone AT's ( non Revo version ) . As for the crap tires on the 4R , I disagree ! They still should put atleast some type of decent all season or an aggressive all season tire like the Revo. ( which are not aggressive and more of an all season than an all terrain ) IMO.

 

[Camprunner]

I can understand that. Especially in the crap you were in .

Camp, I was under the impression that the rear locker was an option on the FJ. I also agree about the crappy tires on the FJ , but I have seen some on the lots around here , with BFG's and Bridgestone AT's ( non Revo version ) . As for the crap tires on the 4R , I disagree ! They still should put atleast some type of decent all season or an aggressive all season tire like the Revo. ( which are not aggressive and more of an all season than an all terrain ) IMO.

I guess I see your point on the runners sneekers ...... I don't know why they at leased don't make it an option to buy more agressive tire from the factory .......... I think Yota should offer an off road pkg. for the runner.

 

[Falls]

I guess I see your point on the runners sneekers ...... I don't know why they at leased don't make it an option to buy more agressive tire from the factory .......... I think Yota should offer an off road pkg. for the runner.

I would give my left XXX to see an off road package on the 4R , maybe an inch higher , some wider wheels , 3 lockable diffs , ( like Thia's G ) , set of nice AT tires 32/33"....... I can only dream

 

[Thai]

I would give my left XXX to see an off road package on the 4R , maybe an inch higher , some wider wheels , 3 lockable diffs , ( like Thia's G ) , set of nice AT tires 32/33"....... I can only dream

You can have my G for as little as $80K!

 

[Camprunner]

You can have my G for as little as $80K!

I was just wondering Thai is the G hard to get parts for? Do you have to wait for them?

 

[Thai]

I was just wondering Thai is the G hard to get parts for? Do you have to wait for them?

Common parts are OK...dealer has to order them. Wait is not too bad. Aftermarket stuff are ridiculously expensive because they are shipped from Europe. For example, I got 5 16" Mercedes rims for $2500.

 

[Falls]

You can have my G for as little as $80K!

Holy crap , I knew they were expensive , what does a new one go for ?? ( approx)

Way to rich for my blood ! I'm just a poor 4R driver ... lol

 

[Thai]

Holy crap , I knew they were expensive , what does a new one go for ?? ( approx)

Way to rich for my blood ! I'm just a poor 4R driver ... lol

New G500 is about that price...G55 costs around $100k.