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oh no... he found us. and i just learned the Toyota sales clown secret hand shake! dammit now where are we suppose to hide?!
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Yep
"SHIBBOLETH"
PASS GRIP OF A FELLOW Clown
(HANDSHAKE)
Secret Toyota sales clowns handshakes, passwords, grips and signs of Entered Apprentice, Fellowclown Fellow Clowns and sales Degrees of Toyota sales clowns
The hand is taken as in an ordinary hand shake, and the clown presses the top of his thumb against the space between the first and second knuckle joints of the first two fingers of his fellow clown; the fellow clown also presses his thumb on the corresponding part of the first Clown's hand.
"SHIBBOLETH"
PASS GRIP OF A FELLOW Clown
(HANDSHAKE)
Secret Toyota sales clowns handshakes, passwords, grips and signs of Entered Apprentice, Fellowclown Fellow Clowns and sales Degrees of Toyota sales clowns
The hand is taken as in an ordinary hand shake, and the clown presses the top of his thumb against the space between the first and second knuckle joints of the first two fingers of his fellow clown; the fellow clown also presses his thumb on the corresponding part of the first Clown's hand.
tranny Frank
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Hey Doc
"Toyota Motor Sales is in charge of sales, marketing, and service of its cars, light trucks, hybrids, and SUVs in 49 states. Sales are conducted through about 1,500 dealerships throughout the US. The company's TRD, U.S.A. division designs and assembles engines and develops chassis and other technology for Toyota-sponsored race cars."
There you go Doc, Toyota sales in charge of service, Read it and weep,
"Toyota Motor Sales is in charge of sales, marketing, and service of its cars, light trucks, hybrids, and SUVs in 49 states. Sales are conducted through about 1,500 dealerships throughout the US. The company's TRD, U.S.A. division designs and assembles engines and develops chassis and other technology for Toyota-sponsored race cars."
There you go Doc, Toyota sales in charge of service, Read it and weep,
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ENGINEERS make the repair manuals, frank.
This whole theory is so rediculously stupid, I can't even think of a way to properly describe it's utter rediculousness.
tranny Frank
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No, here YOU go, Franky boy...
"Toyota Motor Company is in charge of sales, marketing, and service of its cars, light trucks, hybrids, and SUVs in 49 states. Sales are conducted through about 1,500 dealerships throughout the US. The company's TRD, U.S.A. division designs and assembles engines and develops chassis and other technology for Toyota-sponsored race cars."
There you go Frank, Toyota Motor Company is in charge. Read it and weep.
"Toyota Motor Company is in charge of sales, marketing, and service of its cars, light trucks, hybrids, and SUVs in 49 states. Sales are conducted through about 1,500 dealerships throughout the US. The company's TRD, U.S.A. division designs and assembles engines and develops chassis and other technology for Toyota-sponsored race cars."
There you go Frank, Toyota Motor Company is in charge. Read it and weep.
tranny Frank
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Okay
No never had a Intelligence Quotient test, So Doc I found in the company profile that Toyota motor Sales runs service,
And you found the Toyota Motor Company runs service, But lets back track here,
I thought we where on the same page here, Remember I am a Master of the Obvious, to earn this status you need to be balanced with a basic understanding of well Obvious stuff, and that would be a few posts back let me find it for you,.
No never had a Intelligence Quotient test, So Doc I found in the company profile that Toyota motor Sales runs service,
And you found the Toyota Motor Company runs service, But lets back track here,
I thought we where on the same page here, Remember I am a Master of the Obvious, to earn this status you need to be balanced with a basic understanding of well Obvious stuff, and that would be a few posts back let me find it for you,.
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cant have it both way Doc
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You need to understand the difference between Toyota Motor Company and Toyota Sales. Once you understand that, then you might be able to speak intelligently on this subject. But before that's possible, you also have to understand that Toyota dealerships are not owned, nor operated, by Toyota Motor Company.
Okay Doc What's up ?
But they are in charge ?
So ??? Boy We need to get this figered out Doc, your confusing the hell out of me, So what your saying is Toyota Motor Company does not own or operate Toyota dealerships, but they are in charge,
Oh okay I am tracking, they control the dealerships thru the Arm of Toyota sales, Okay
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You need to understand the difference between Toyota Motor Company and Toyota Sales. Once you understand that, then you might be able to speak intelligently on this subject. But before that's possible, you also have to understand that Toyota dealerships are not owned, nor operated, by Toyota Motor Company.
Okay Doc What's up ?
But they are in charge ?
So ??? Boy We need to get this figered out Doc, your confusing the hell out of me, So what your saying is Toyota Motor Company does not own or operate Toyota dealerships, but they are in charge,
Oh okay I am tracking, they control the dealerships thru the Arm of Toyota sales, Okay
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tranny Frank
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Okay Doc,
Okay Doc,
I think I am getting this sorted out, but hang on here its a bit confusing, so
bear with me,
Okay we have this Toyota
Company Overview
Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A, Inc. operates as the sales, service, marketing, and distribution arm of Toyota and Lexus in the United States. The company was founded in 1957 and is based in Torrance, California. Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A, Inc. operates as a subsidiary of Toyota Motor Corp.
And then these Toyota's
1982 Toyota Motor Co., Ltd. and Toyota Motor Sales Co., Ltd. are merged into Toyota Motor Corporation.
Okay Now I am thinking that this here Toyota are the Clown Sales men "Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A, Inc." a Renegade group that never went along with the merger back in 1982,
Not Toyota Motor Co., Ltd. Not Toyota Motor Sales Co., Ltd. Not Toyota Motor Corporation. But "Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A, Inc." That still claim from being founded back in 1957,
I think, So 4 different Toyota's Wow, This is insane !!! Well help me out here Doc, Cuz your right never Took a IQ test I might be really stupid and maybee you can figer out out of the 4 Toyotas where the BS is coming from.
I know really confusing but the key word here is "Subsidiary"
"A subsidiary, in business matters, is an entity that is controlled by a separate higher entity"
So if your tracking here Doc, "Toyota Motor Sales USA Inc" is controlled by a separate "higher entity" than Toyota Motor Company,
This Higher Entity is what I call the "Illuminate"
so classic
Okay Doc,
I think I am getting this sorted out, but hang on here its a bit confusing, so
bear with me,
Okay we have this Toyota
Company Overview
Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A, Inc. operates as the sales, service, marketing, and distribution arm of Toyota and Lexus in the United States. The company was founded in 1957 and is based in Torrance, California. Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A, Inc. operates as a subsidiary of Toyota Motor Corp.
And then these Toyota's
1982 Toyota Motor Co., Ltd. and Toyota Motor Sales Co., Ltd. are merged into Toyota Motor Corporation.
Okay Now I am thinking that this here Toyota are the Clown Sales men "Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A, Inc." a Renegade group that never went along with the merger back in 1982,
Not Toyota Motor Co., Ltd. Not Toyota Motor Sales Co., Ltd. Not Toyota Motor Corporation. But "Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A, Inc." That still claim from being founded back in 1957,
I think, So 4 different Toyota's Wow, This is insane !!! Well help me out here Doc, Cuz your right never Took a IQ test I might be really stupid and maybee you can figer out out of the 4 Toyotas where the BS is coming from.
I know really confusing but the key word here is "Subsidiary"
"A subsidiary, in business matters, is an entity that is controlled by a separate higher entity"
So if your tracking here Doc, "Toyota Motor Sales USA Inc" is controlled by a separate "higher entity" than Toyota Motor Company,
This Higher Entity is what I call the "Illuminate"
so classic
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tranny Frank
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Banned ?
Well who's gonna help me figer this out ? You see Tech Jockey figers he was getting hosed by dealership #1 be it from a simple mistake or a inherently evil sales scheme,
If there was a inherently evil, manipulative, indoctrinating Sales scheme it would be traced back to the "Subsidiary" of Toyota Motor Sales USA, Inc,
Well who's gonna help me figer this out ? You see Tech Jockey figers he was getting hosed by dealership #1 be it from a simple mistake or a inherently evil sales scheme,
If there was a inherently evil, manipulative, indoctrinating Sales scheme it would be traced back to the "Subsidiary" of Toyota Motor Sales USA, Inc,
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I'm getting to be more and more sure that you are mentally ill.
tranny Frank
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Brain dead or genius
Brain dead or genius ?
This is the question posed by your pal back on the4x4network, the coffee roasting wine tasting scientist,
While some of my peers have called me a genius I dont think that I am, just a grease monkey with a keen sense of observation,
Either I am right and your wrong, or the other way around, It will be decided,
Here in the light,
Brain dead or genius ?
This is the question posed by your pal back on the4x4network, the coffee roasting wine tasting scientist,
While some of my peers have called me a genius I dont think that I am, just a grease monkey with a keen sense of observation,
Either I am right and your wrong, or the other way around, It will be decided,
Here in the light,
tranny Frank
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Yep
Yep thats why I say I dont think that I am, but Brain dead ?
not that either, just simply not in the darkness, Going back to the original repair Rixxer on the axle job so you know and we can put my Toyota axle rebuild of the knuckle count straight, I did not actually do the work, I had a guy helping in the shop that had been laid off @ the saw mill, He did the axle knuckle overhaul, so really my overhaul count on Toyota axles is only still 1
The Wally Rig,
I just kinda helped here and there, fiddled with a hub that wasnt working, and made "Observations"
In the light, the "Observations" I made is that the rig had the wheel bearings packed @ one point, and a aftermarket wheel seal installed that was inferior to the factory style,
Come to find out the work was done @ Les Swabs, Now not only was the seal not right, or inferior the wheel bearings where blackened from excessive heat,
Black like your world, dark, The fellow "Master of the obvious" working with me @ that time noticed this as well, we talked about it and concluded that excessive heat caused this discoloration, Now it was not from the brakes, they where fine,
Also it was "Obvious" that a fluid grease had migrated into the wheel hub and was mixing with the #2 grease that had been packed in there with the wheel bearing pack,
@ the time I did not have a explanation for the blackened wheel bearings, aside from excessive heat, but not knowing the cause,
In order to get that sort of discoloration the heat needs to be over 300 * and longer than 5 minutes,
This information is derived fist hand from leaving a bearing on the "Cooker" to expand it while assembling manual transmissions, as a aid for installation,
So your pals @ Swabbys did not use the correct seal, did not identify the fluid grease in the wheel hub, did not even think about it, or if they did thought it to be grease gone bad, or grease with water in it,
So not being Factory trained Toyota techs, did not identify this as axle seal failure and stuck it all together, and the factory fluid grease mixed with the #2 lithium, which they used, and caused poor lubrication which caused the heat,
Now if this Rig would have gone to you instead, I would have never been able to figer it out, you would have identified the fluid in the wheel hub as Axle seal failure, tore the whole thing down and packed it full of #2 grease,
So in this rare incident your pals @ Swhabs that did not know what they where doing like you do allowed me to see what happens when you use a #2 grease in the wheel hub, without removing the factory fluid grease in the knuckle,
Lube flow thru the bushing, a hard fought battle, I caught so much flak over that, but it is "Obvious"
Yep thats why I say I dont think that I am, but Brain dead ?
not that either, just simply not in the darkness, Going back to the original repair Rixxer on the axle job so you know and we can put my Toyota axle rebuild of the knuckle count straight, I did not actually do the work, I had a guy helping in the shop that had been laid off @ the saw mill, He did the axle knuckle overhaul, so really my overhaul count on Toyota axles is only still 1
The Wally Rig,
I just kinda helped here and there, fiddled with a hub that wasnt working, and made "Observations"
In the light, the "Observations" I made is that the rig had the wheel bearings packed @ one point, and a aftermarket wheel seal installed that was inferior to the factory style,
Come to find out the work was done @ Les Swabs, Now not only was the seal not right, or inferior the wheel bearings where blackened from excessive heat,
Black like your world, dark, The fellow "Master of the obvious" working with me @ that time noticed this as well, we talked about it and concluded that excessive heat caused this discoloration, Now it was not from the brakes, they where fine,
Also it was "Obvious" that a fluid grease had migrated into the wheel hub and was mixing with the #2 grease that had been packed in there with the wheel bearing pack,
@ the time I did not have a explanation for the blackened wheel bearings, aside from excessive heat, but not knowing the cause,
In order to get that sort of discoloration the heat needs to be over 300 * and longer than 5 minutes,
This information is derived fist hand from leaving a bearing on the "Cooker" to expand it while assembling manual transmissions, as a aid for installation,
So your pals @ Swabbys did not use the correct seal, did not identify the fluid grease in the wheel hub, did not even think about it, or if they did thought it to be grease gone bad, or grease with water in it,
So not being Factory trained Toyota techs, did not identify this as axle seal failure and stuck it all together, and the factory fluid grease mixed with the #2 lithium, which they used, and caused poor lubrication which caused the heat,
Now if this Rig would have gone to you instead, I would have never been able to figer it out, you would have identified the fluid in the wheel hub as Axle seal failure, tore the whole thing down and packed it full of #2 grease,
So in this rare incident your pals @ Swhabs that did not know what they where doing like you do allowed me to see what happens when you use a #2 grease in the wheel hub, without removing the factory fluid grease in the knuckle,
Lube flow thru the bushing, a hard fought battle, I caught so much flak over that, but it is "Obvious"
tranny Frank
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A operative of the Illumiate,
Okay Rixxer pay close attention to the "Grey Propagandist"
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So lets go to the land of make believe and pretend for a minute that the felt and rubber wiper seals Toyota used are actually capable of holding a fluid like lubricant (which they are not as proven by the many that have tried). What would prevent the any viscous lubricant from working its way right down the spindle, and filling the hub full of lube, then leaking from one of the seals at the hub that were never designed to keep in anything but a light smear of grease?
I've seen this happen when axles are rebuilt using a variety of things other than what has been proven to work (again referring to the thousands of rigs out there running millions of miles on #2).
When you have 5 vehicles with a minimum of 50k miles each, then you can give us a report of your findings and only then will I change my mind. But its longevity and duplicability has not remotely because you rebuilt a knuckle (or a differential lol) a week ago and it doesn't appear to be leaking yet. Has it even been in 4WD for extended periods?
Can we see some pictures of said vehicle and some pictures of the knuckles post rebuild by you?
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Yeah ummmm, that is NOT a Toyota axle. Lets stay on subject here. I've told you over and over I could care less what you have done on other axles, they are not the same design regardless of how 'close' you think they are or how Toyota obtained the rights. Each and every comment I have made, question I have asked or theory I have developed is in regards to Toyota axles.
So let me clarify. Lets see some pics of the TOYOTA knuckles that you overhauled. And would the owner care to verify that it is leak free in say 50k miles?
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Can we lock this thread already? I think all the points have been made and the bickering is getting old. I have never so much as driven a solid front axle toyota let alone worked on the axle. But, having read online I think that I am now an expert on all things front axle-Toyota, Dana, whatever. Don't listen to backwoods, don't listen to Kurt, I think we should put a light teflon spray on everything and I will offer a warranty of 2 million miles because teflon is the SHIZNIT!!!!! Please call me and I will hook you up with the miracle toyota rebuild and you can steer clear of all the conspiracies and the toyota quick sand.
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Poor Kurt you must be stuck in quick sand the next time you pull a Original Toyota Knuckle apart have a sample analized its really not that costly.
I don't need to pay money to get a oil analysis company to tell me that there is NGLI 2 in the knuckle.
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Yes I could warranty a Toyota with this lube in it for 50,000 or more miles there is only 1 condition Do not introduce any other form of lube for instance repacking wheel bearings. Reason being that the sodium based lube is incompatable with any other type of lube
Why would the wheel bearing grease even be able to migrate to the knuckle? They are separated by a wheel seal and a spindle
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The thing is 50,000 miles is nothing on the longevity of the semi fliud I will even bump it up to 100,000 miles
OK, you report back to us when you have a handful of TOYOTA axles running your goop for 50k + miles with no issues. Nobody is arguing that the fluid itself won't last, just that it won't stay in the knuckle.
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Afterall Toyota knew this that why there is no recomended service interval for repacking wheel bearings.
Huh??? You bet your ass they recommend a service interval on repacking the wheel bearings! Where did you come up with that assumption? Your pulling facts out of mid air here. How can we even begin to take your advice for face value when you confuse issues.
For reference, the same Toyota Motor Corporation manual that recommends NGLI 2 in the knuckle (and the other half dozen manuals I just referenced), also recommends a "Replace, Change or Lubricate" on teh Front wheel bearings every 30,000 miles for the solid axle vehicles. So where did you come up with that BS assumption?
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...Have you found out what TJoutfitters call the correct grease? I have been answering your questions. And I do love goats ,I have been refraining from calling it a differential.
Why would I care what JTOutfitters calls the correct grease? Your the one looking for the answer, I've known it all along
You know I think the boys on Mud said it best "Backwoodsgoon is like poison ivy... the more attention you pay to it the worse it gets.". I just read through the thread that got you banned over there, amazingly you were told the exact same things as here?? Not just by some random forum members either, some of the biggest names in the Cruiser world lol, you tried to tell an automotive engineer how a bearing works, then you try and pass off the same bearing info here. Man you are dense.
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Last edited by cruiseroutfit; 09-22-2009 at 10:37 PM.
From post #42
What would prevent the any viscous lubricant from working its way right down the spindle, and filling the hub full of lube, then leaking from one of the seals at the hub that were never designed to keep in anything but a light smear of grease?
From post #45
Why would the wheel bearing grease even be able to migrate to the knuckle? They are separated by a wheel seal and a spindle
So Rixxer, can you see it now, insult, trash talk and be all over the place,
Why ?
Because he knows, and dont want you to, but your almost there,
Okay Rixxer pay close attention to the "Grey Propagandist"
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So lets go to the land of make believe and pretend for a minute that the felt and rubber wiper seals Toyota used are actually capable of holding a fluid like lubricant (which they are not as proven by the many that have tried). What would prevent the any viscous lubricant from working its way right down the spindle, and filling the hub full of lube, then leaking from one of the seals at the hub that were never designed to keep in anything but a light smear of grease?
I've seen this happen when axles are rebuilt using a variety of things other than what has been proven to work (again referring to the thousands of rigs out there running millions of miles on #2).
When you have 5 vehicles with a minimum of 50k miles each, then you can give us a report of your findings and only then will I change my mind. But its longevity and duplicability has not remotely because you rebuilt a knuckle (or a differential lol) a week ago and it doesn't appear to be leaking yet. Has it even been in 4WD for extended periods?
Can we see some pictures of said vehicle and some pictures of the knuckles post rebuild by you?
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Yeah ummmm, that is NOT a Toyota axle. Lets stay on subject here. I've told you over and over I could care less what you have done on other axles, they are not the same design regardless of how 'close' you think they are or how Toyota obtained the rights. Each and every comment I have made, question I have asked or theory I have developed is in regards to Toyota axles.
So let me clarify. Lets see some pics of the TOYOTA knuckles that you overhauled. And would the owner care to verify that it is leak free in say 50k miles?
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Can we lock this thread already? I think all the points have been made and the bickering is getting old. I have never so much as driven a solid front axle toyota let alone worked on the axle. But, having read online I think that I am now an expert on all things front axle-Toyota, Dana, whatever. Don't listen to backwoods, don't listen to Kurt, I think we should put a light teflon spray on everything and I will offer a warranty of 2 million miles because teflon is the SHIZNIT!!!!! Please call me and I will hook you up with the miracle toyota rebuild and you can steer clear of all the conspiracies and the toyota quick sand.
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Poor Kurt you must be stuck in quick sand the next time you pull a Original Toyota Knuckle apart have a sample analized its really not that costly.
I don't need to pay money to get a oil analysis company to tell me that there is NGLI 2 in the knuckle.
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Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop View Post
Yes I could warranty a Toyota with this lube in it for 50,000 or more miles there is only 1 condition Do not introduce any other form of lube for instance repacking wheel bearings. Reason being that the sodium based lube is incompatable with any other type of lube
Why would the wheel bearing grease even be able to migrate to the knuckle? They are separated by a wheel seal and a spindle
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The thing is 50,000 miles is nothing on the longevity of the semi fliud I will even bump it up to 100,000 miles
OK, you report back to us when you have a handful of TOYOTA axles running your goop for 50k + miles with no issues. Nobody is arguing that the fluid itself won't last, just that it won't stay in the knuckle.
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Originally Posted by backwoodsgoop View Post
Afterall Toyota knew this that why there is no recomended service interval for repacking wheel bearings.
Huh??? You bet your ass they recommend a service interval on repacking the wheel bearings! Where did you come up with that assumption? Your pulling facts out of mid air here. How can we even begin to take your advice for face value when you confuse issues.
For reference, the same Toyota Motor Corporation manual that recommends NGLI 2 in the knuckle (and the other half dozen manuals I just referenced), also recommends a "Replace, Change or Lubricate" on teh Front wheel bearings every 30,000 miles for the solid axle vehicles. So where did you come up with that BS assumption?
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...Have you found out what TJoutfitters call the correct grease? I have been answering your questions. And I do love goats ,I have been refraining from calling it a differential.
Why would I care what JTOutfitters calls the correct grease? Your the one looking for the answer, I've known it all along
You know I think the boys on Mud said it best "Backwoodsgoon is like poison ivy... the more attention you pay to it the worse it gets.". I just read through the thread that got you banned over there, amazingly you were told the exact same things as here?? Not just by some random forum members either, some of the biggest names in the Cruiser world lol, you tried to tell an automotive engineer how a bearing works, then you try and pass off the same bearing info here. Man you are dense.
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Last edited by cruiseroutfit; 09-22-2009 at 10:37 PM.
From post #42
What would prevent the any viscous lubricant from working its way right down the spindle, and filling the hub full of lube, then leaking from one of the seals at the hub that were never designed to keep in anything but a light smear of grease?
From post #45
Why would the wheel bearing grease even be able to migrate to the knuckle? They are separated by a wheel seal and a spindle
So Rixxer, can you see it now, insult, trash talk and be all over the place,
Why ?
Because he knows, and dont want you to, but your almost there,
