Wheel sizing: Need help asap!

[Jordanbiird]

Hey, so I'm looking to buy

18" rims : fuel assault 18x9

And I also want to get: nitto trail grapplers AS BIG AS I CAN GET, that will fit on my 4th Gen 4Runner

Right now, I have stock lift and suspension and I have a 3" spacer in the front.

So my question is, what is the biggest tire size I can fit on my 2008 v8 4x4 sport 4Runner using the 18x9 rims I wanted. In the future I also am planning on getting a lift kit of a good 2-3" front and back.


Please help! I know there are many threads on this topic, but after years of pondering which rims and tires I want, I just need help sizing now!

Please share your knowledge and reply!

Here's the pics:


Custom Automotive

Here is my 4Runner

BUILD THREAD:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/231791-jordanbiird-build-thread.html

 

[4rcybr]

How important is turning ability? You can definitely fit 33s, though you'll have a bit of rubbing. You can squeeze in 35s with a lot of rubbing as long as you don't need to make any u-turns.

 

[ecbennett]

There's a good write up over at the yotatech forum. I used it when I got my tires. I've got 3" OME with General Grabber AT2 265/70r17 (31.6") + 1.25" spacers. I had to push the front skirt trim up a little bit due to rubbing, but IMO I think it looks great.


https://www.yotatech.com/f117/modifications-accessories-faq-4th-gen-4runner-95442/#post1001142

 

[Inv4drZm]

"As big as you can fit" depends on what mods you are willing to do, or how much you want to trim inside your fenders or cut your body mount. Even with 33's, which are considered easy to fit by most, require trimming and a body mount chop.

 

[alia176]

As big as you can fit" = how big of a hammer do you got? :bounce:

 

[bassmacka]

Have you considered staying with 17s. I dont see why you would want 18s , Also I would stay away from the fake bead clamps

 

[NickB4gen]

I think the 265 17's look great. That's what I got. 265's and a little lift.

 

[Bumbo]

Do you mind me asking what you use your truck for?

Is this a road truck / daily driver, off-road trail, desert...

Just my opinion but I saw a pretty big degrade in overall city and freeway driving and handling after I threw some big MTs on the truck.

It was definitely a compromise... you can really feel that un-sprung weight of the bigger wheel and tire. On-road performance became weighted and a bit more sloppy.

If you don't off-road the truck, those are a bunch of cons for literally zero pros except for aesthetics which in this case can very well be subjective as well.

Even if you choose to ignore what I just said and still want a really aggressive looking tire, perhaps scale back the size a little to something under a 33", like a 32.2" which would solve pretty much every issue when it comes to making clearance to fit larger.

But if it is a road truck... Michelin LTX M/S2... probably not as pretty as you wanted, but its about the best damn road tire I have ever used. Even on a gravel road / fire road, it was some of the best driving I have done in that truck because that tire is light and plush. Compared to my LT AT it feels like you have more suspension than you actually do.

Edit: LTX MS2 is discontinued, look at the Defender.
http://www.moderntiredealer.com/news/402430/meet-michelin-s-new-lt-tire-the-defender-ltx

 

[Jordanbiird]

Do you mind me asking what you use your truck for?

Is this a road truck / daily driver, off-road trail, desert...

Just my opinion but I saw a pretty big degrade in overall city and freeway driving and handling after I threw some big MTs on the truck.

It was definitely a compromise... you can really feel that un-sprung weight of the bigger wheel and tire. On-road performance became weighted and a bit more sloppy.

If you don't off-road the truck, those are a bunch of cons for literally zero pros except for aesthetics which in this case can very well be subjective as well.

Even if you choose to ignore what I just said and still want a really aggressive looking tire, perhaps scale back the size a little to something under a 33", like a 32.2" which would solve pretty much every issue when it comes to making clearance to fit larger.

But if it is a road truck... Michelin LTX M/S2... probably not as pretty as you wanted, but its about the best damn road tire I have ever used. Even on a gravel road / fire road, it was some of the best driving I have done in that truck because that tire is light and plush. Compared to my LT AT it feels like you have more suspension than you actually do.

Edit: LTX MS2 is discontinued, look at the Defender.
http://www.moderntiredealer.com/news/402430/meet-michelin-s-new-lt-tire-the-defender-ltx

Well, it's for inroad city use only. I don't plan on making any changes or trimming the fender wells right now. In the future I might get a much bigger lift kit, and possibly replacing the front bumper. But from what I understood, I can possibly fit a 33" with hour any modifications?

I just saw this tire in parking lot. It looks pretty cool. What are your guys thoughts on these tires?

BUILD THREAD:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/231791-jordanbiird-build-thread.html

 

[mpyle]

Have you considered staying with 17s. I dont see why you would want 18s , Also I would stay away from the fake bead clamps

Why would you say to stay away from the fake bead clamps? Is it a quality issue? I get they aren't functional but IMHO they look nice. Just curious.

 

[bassmacka]

Why would you say to stay away from the fake bead clamps? Is it a quality issue? I get they aren't functional but IMHO they look nice. Just curious.

I think you hit the nail on the head. They just look "nice" but everybody knows that they are fake. It makes it look more like a mall crawler than an actual utilitarian vehicle. If you like it and don't mind the fact that its fake ( and everyone knows it), then go for it. Im just not into it

 

[Inv4drZm]

My truck must be a "mall crawler" then. I think the fake beadlocks help protect the edge of the wheel from denting in and protects the spokes from rocks. They do collect water after washing though. That's kinda annoying.

 

[bassmacka]

If you don't want to trim much get bfg at ko . You do have to adjust the fender wells but that is all

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[4rcybr]

My truck must be a "mall crawler" then. I think the fake beadlocks help protect the edge of the wheel from denting in and protects the spokes from rocks. They do collect water after washing though. That's kinda annoying.

Do they protect any more than other model from SCS? It does look slightly wider than mine (Stealth6), but I don't see how it protects it any more. Any links/knowledge on that topic would be much appreciated.

 

[Inv4drZm]

Do they protect any more than other model from SCS? It does look slightly wider than mine (Stealth6), but I don't see how it protects it any more. Any links/knowledge on that topic would be much appreciated.

I was just thinking a wheel with a thinner edge, like the FN Six Shooter, would be more prone to scraping or denting the lip and would protect the tire less than a rim with a large lip that you get with the fake beadlock style. Not that I've heard of this happening, just something to consider. I know that with a wheel like the six shooter, I would have shredded the spokes on a rock long ago like my brother's factory FJ wheels. My SCS spokes are perfectly fine because the fake beadlock has saved them. I suppose this only really matters to those that trash their truck in the rocks. :guitar3:

Six Shooter:

Five Star:

Mine:

 

[Bumbo]

For people who are going to be a bit rough on their rims/tires, even in the city with curbing or climbing curbs for whatever reason I personally like the smallest rim I can fit and something that isn't too wide to allow the tires to bubble a little.

You end up getting a lot of rim protection with fitment like that.

I try and let my sidewalls do the work...

Its generally why I stay away from 18"+ rims that are wider than they need to be.

 

[Inv4drZm]

For people who are going to be a bit rough on their rims/tires, even in the city with curbing or climbing curbs for whatever reason I personally like the smallest rim I can fit and something that isn't too wide to allow the tires to bubble a little.

You end up getting a lot of rim protection with fitment like that.

I try and let my sidewalls do the work...

Its generally why I stay away from 18"+ rims that are wider than they need to be.

The counter-argument to that is you will end up with cut sidewalls. Especially when you air down and you have Duratracs with weak sidewalls already. So bigger tires with strong sidewalls with wider rims no bigger than 17" might be the ticket. I don't care as much about rim damage as I do about sidewall punctures.

 

[Inv4drZm]

Well, it's for inroad city use only. I don't plan on making any changes or trimming the fender wells right now. In the future I might get a much bigger lift kit, and possibly replacing the front bumper. But from what I understood, I can possibly fit a 33" with hour any modifications?

I just saw this tire in parking lot. It looks pretty cool. What are your guys thoughts on these tires?

BUILD THREAD:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/231791-jordanbiird-build-thread.html

Maybe 80% of the time, you will need to do a body mount chop with 285/70R17's. This depends on your alignment angles, tread design, or the actual dimensions of your tire (not all 285/70R17s will be the exact same.) I have the Duratracs but wouldn't recommend them if you like rock crawling. They are rated pretty good in treadlife, but are still pretty soft and have lots of siping which really helps in the snow. Probably not as loud as a true mud terrain, but they are pretty aggressive still. If you don't want to do a body mount chop, you would be better off getting a narrower tire than a 285.

 

[Keros]

But if it is a road truck... Michelin LTX M/S2... probably not as pretty as you wanted, but its about the best damn road tire I have ever used. Even on a gravel road / fire road, it was some of the best driving I have done in that truck because that tire is light and plush. Compared to my LT AT it feels like you have more suspension than you actually do.

Edit: LTX MS2 is discontinued, look at the Defender.
Meet Michelin's new LT tire: the Defender LTX - Retail - Modern Tire Dealer

This is good news. I thought the LTX M+S2 was a fantastic tire. However, I had two sets crack terribly over the years. The first I bought for my '96 SR5, the second were already mounted on my '05. Both developed very bad cracks around the tread blocks. Michelin warrantied the tires on my '96, but it still cost me a boatload to fix the problem.

I just replaced the 4th gen's LTX's with Grabber AT2's. Not to detract from the LTX's ability to hold the road; but the cracking problem was disgraceful, and worse was Michelin's dismissive attitude towards the problem. Further, it certainly wasn't nice driving around on cracked tires with a nice condition Limited. You just cannot make a vehicle with crap tires look nice.

I won't buy another Michelin product and strongly encourage anyone who asks to buy anything else. I had spent big on Pilot Sport PS2's back in the day and they were amazing. Yet I think after having the LTXs on the market so long they could have fixed the problem.

 

[Bumbo]

The counter-argument to that is you will end up with cut sidewalls. Especially when you air down and you have Duratracs with weak sidewalls already. So bigger tires with strong sidewalls with wider rims no bigger than 17" might be the ticket. I don't care as much about rim damage as I do about sidewall punctures.

I can agree with that...