Who's feeling the pain at the pump with 4R ?

[Mark Linkous]

Owing to the difficulties getting gas around here and California gas taxes, gas in Eureka (Humboldt County)
is well over $6. Will take a pic next time I hit
Shell, but…. And worth it.

 

[ravens_wood]

Amen. It's a shame that "half" of our country didn't see the pipe dream of a green society for what it was, but that's democracy I guess. Unfortunately, the whole world is now paying for it in multiple ways.

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

The armchair economists on this board are great. Whew boy.

Anyways --

Bought a 4Runner knowing it is a gas guzzling pig. Gas prices go up and go down. People surprised that gas prices change are lovely. That's bad planning on your part.

 

[Jason P.]

My gig allows me a WFH indefinitely or come in a few days a week, my choice.

I haven’t had to fill up the rig with gas prices being high — but around here I am probably looking at $70 each fill once I do.

Luckily I got my beater, an 07 Honda Fit, that is stillllllllll trucking along. $30 for that little tank.

Once the weather gets a bit warmer here in the NE I will be trouncing around on my motorbike. $15 for that zoom zoom.

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

I’m actually surprised I keep averaging 18.5 MPG tank after tank. I do put premium so I’m not sure if that does anything for it, but figured I’d disclose.


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[Charles Bronson]

I'm an environmental consultant and work in mergers and acquisitions as well as help oil/gas clients manager their environmental compliance. The US is sitting on MASSIVE reserves now. There's way more oil in the country than thought just 15 years ago. New at the time technologies like fracking and deep well exploration have found all that oil.

The primary oil production issue in this country is how our refineries are designed. Decades ago, US oil refiners designed their refineries to process cheap and dirty "sour" crude from overseas. Why? Primarily because the belief was the US was running out of oil and the sour crude was cheaper to buy/process. The majority of the reserves in the US are considered "sweet" crude. It would take a massive amount of capital and time to covert the refineries to process sweet crude. It will eventually have to happen (and should have), but you know.......profits.

 

[Charles Bronson]

I’m actually surprised I keep averaging 18.5 MPG tank after tank. I do put premium so I’m not sure if that does anything for it, but figured I’d disclose.

It doesn't and possibly makes your MPGs slightly worse. Save your money and run 87.

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

It doesn't and possibly makes your MPGs slightly worse. Save your money and run 87.

I did this to test the theory that the ECU periodically checks how much timing advance it can get away with, after having run several tanks of premium, I need to hook up my cheap ELM327 scanner and get some readings.

Once I get my answers the experiment will be over [emoji23]

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[PhillySilver]

I commute ~75 miles a day in Philly traffic. I acquired a Honda Accord recently and have to say the 4Runner sits most of the time now. Gas $$ is one reason and a nice benefit. However, it is just as much to keep it nice. As anyone who has driven the disaster of a road that is the Schukyl "Expressway" through Phill with any frequency will tell you - it is impossible to keep them nice on that road.

 

[Pedro367]

I commute ~75 miles a day in Philly traffic. I acquired a Honda Accord recently and have to say the 4Runner sits most of the time now. Gas $$ is one reason and a nice benefit. However, it is just as much to keep it nice. As anyone who has driven the disaster of a road that is the Schukyl "Expressway" through Phill with any frequency will tell you - it is impossible to keep them nice on that road.

I commuted an Accord before Covid got me working from home. Couldn't beat it, honestly. Great on gas, big, comfortable, reliable, and cheap as heck to maintain. My brother works for Napa and got me brakes for it once. $240 for all 4 corners for top tier Adaptive One pads and rotors. Even normal cost was just over $300 or something. $100 each for good tires. It was great.

 

[1jzgte]

I'm an environmental consultant and work in mergers and acquisitions as well as help oil/gas clients manager their environmental compliance. The US is sitting on MASSIVE reserves now. There's way more oil in the country than thought just 15 years ago. New at the time technologies like fracking and deep well exploration have found all that oil.

The primary oil production issue in this country is how our refineries are designed. Decades ago, US oil refiners designed their refineries to process cheap and dirty "sour" crude from overseas. Why? Primarily because the belief was the US was running out of oil and the sour crude was cheaper to buy/process. The majority of the reserves in the US are considered "sweet" crude. It would take a massive amount of capital and time to covert the refineries to process sweet crude. It will eventually have to happen (and should have), but you know.......profits.

well yea... American labor is expensive and everywhere else in the world costs pennies.. isnt that the reason why everything is imported

 

[WildSockets]

I'm an environmental consultant and work in mergers and acquisitions as well as help oil/gas clients manager their environmental compliance. The US is sitting on MASSIVE reserves now. There's way more oil in the country than thought just 15 years ago. New at the time technologies like fracking and deep well exploration have found all that oil.

The primary oil production issue in this country is how our refineries are designed. Decades ago, US oil refiners designed their refineries to process cheap and dirty "sour" crude from overseas. Why? Primarily because the belief was the US was running out of oil and the sour crude was cheaper to buy/process. The majority of the reserves in the US are considered "sweet" crude. It would take a massive amount of capital and time to covert the refineries to process sweet crude. It will eventually have to happen (and should have), but you know.......profits.

Yep. O&G companies aren't keen on massive capital spending like they were up to 2014, in fears of another 2014 happening. That, and they're raking in massive profits right now, so why bother?

 

[WereRunner]

Yea. Gas went up in WY a great chunk, about 40-60 cents. Not too bad yet.

 

[Rack]

Obviously it hasn't stopped people from traveling or commuting.
Just this week I drove my 4R from SLC to LA. Fuel cost was $210 and prices varied from state to state
Utah being the cheapest and California the most expensive because of the tax
that is added to the fuel cost.

That being said as housing prices go up people are forced to move out of the city into the Desert to find affordable housing. Then have to commute back in to work.
Where is the quality of life when most of your time and money is spent getting to your job?

 

[DallasTRDPro]

I'm lucky in a way. I only work 5 miles from the field I coach at. I now just walk to get my groceries and other errands that are mostly across the street. Another thing, my elderly parents that live 45 miles from me and with all tolls would cost me dearly when I visit them on the weekend. This week my dad said they have tons of rewards points at Kroger and since they minimally drive they want to fill up my tank each week. I balked at the idea and my dad got frustrated and said I do so much for them and they want to do this for me. He also said think of it as an early withdrawal of an inheritance. I thought about it and I will let them do it because it makes them feel better even though I'm their 50 year old son that doesn't need the money, but it does help save about $200/month. With that said, I did look at a RAV4 hybrid, but couldn't bring myself to driving one of those unless I get desperate.

 

[benhalleniii]

With respect, US Presidents have very little control over energy prices in general. Our current predicament is due to a lack of a cohesive energy policy in this country, which you can thank the last 10 presidents and Congresses for failing to create. Oil is a market based commodity and it's price is set by its producers based on supply, demand and occasionally by wayward governments like Russia, Venezuela or even OPEC itself. It was OPEC that shuttered the US fracking boom a few years back by flooding the market with cheap oil to price them out.

Further, some here mention that this governor or that governor are fleecing certain states' residents with high gas taxes. Gas taxes as a percentage of total price are WAY lower in the USA than in other developed countries. Wanna buy a gallon of petrol in Norway? You'll pay $3.30 in taxes alone per gallon.

Bottom line is that there is a finite amount of fossil fuel available for us to exploit and investments in alternative sources of energy are not only prudent for future generations but-thanks to the American tradition of ingenuity and innovation-also very profitable for us as well.

I love my 4Runner but I also know that I won't be able to drive it forever.

B

 

[repo]

I'm an environmental consultant and work in mergers and acquisitions as well as help oil/gas clients manager their environmental compliance. The US is sitting on MASSIVE reserves now. There's way more oil in the country than thought just 15 years ago. New at the time technologies like fracking and deep well exploration have found all that oil.

The primary oil production issue in this country is how our refineries are designed. Decades ago, US oil refiners designed their refineries to process cheap and dirty "sour" crude from overseas. Why? Primarily because the belief was the US was running out of oil and the sour crude was cheaper to buy/process. The majority of the reserves in the US are considered "sweet" crude. It would take a massive amount of capital and time to covert the refineries to process sweet crude. It will eventually have to happen (and should have), but you know.......profits.

The taxes are more than the profit made by gas companies. So the government makes more per gallon than the oil/gas companies do. And the gas stations them self make basically nothing off gas.

If we hadn't signed DAVOS and hadn't fooled Ukraine in to thinking we had their back (who the hell still trusts America after Afghanistan??) and antagonized Russia forcing them to invade gas would be $2. The fed, banks and corps weren't even consulted before these sanction... they just did them. The fed actually went to everyone on Wall Street apologizing and explaining they had nothing to do with it after it happened. It's like 10% the stuff you described and 90% neocon foreign policy (which spans the spans the entire mainstream political spectrum).

OPEC only exists because of proto-neocon support of Israel during the Yom Kippur war resulting in the 70s oil embargo by arab states. This current thing is almost an echo of it... and goes deeper to Syria/Iran... the true neocon concern.

 

[JoeBand]

19 gallons, 1 sweet Benjamin.

when our kids are our age, gas stations won't exist.

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

Every oil company, every gas company, has the ABILITY to sell domestically with preferential pricing. There is no INCENTIVE for the company to do so in a free market capitalist structure, however. They want to sell to everyone at the same price as the highest bidder. Why should those who want to be responsible with their money pay for the sins of the biggest idiot? Free market, price elasticity, are terms used to tiptoe around the elephant in the room: our country has almost no protections against price gouging. It’s not even an official term recognized by economics classes.

We’re indoctrinated to believe that it’s the best system, and the only system we’d ever want, when it’s more often used against us than to benefit us.

Look at the price of gas in the Middle East. Saudi Aramco is state owned and they take care of their own people with sub-$1/gallon prices.

Gasoline prices around the world, 07-Mar-2022 | GlobalPetrolPrices.com


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[Ripper238]

I drive my 4Runner a ton, ~70mi a day to and from work. I tend to fill up at 1/2 a tank so its never that shocking. But it certainly adds up.

Thankfully when I got my new job I negotiated for more many due to the potential for higher gas prices and the longer drive.

 

[BillsRunner]

Worth it

Yup, costs a bit more but what a nice rig it is - safe, powerful (just enough), solid and what we spend in gas I make up for in no repairs - and they go, and, go, and go!

Gas prices are very hard for many and that's no joke. Of course, the bigger picture is stopping that madman in Russia.