Who's feeling the pain at the pump with 4R ?

[repo]

I guess I’m fortunate enough to not care. I also remember paying more in 08 for my IS300. Our X3M is actually less efficient than our lifted 4Runner with 650+ extra pounds, our “fuel sipper” in the garage is a Tacoma. Hopefully this drives v8 truck prices down and I can add a 5.7 tundra to the stable.

It will drive truck prices down... along with your 401k and house value when they stop printing money and start raising rates. If your sitting on a fat pile of liquid cash then yeah it's great. Most of the middle class carry a bunch of debt and their wealth is tied up in houses and retirement funds though.

 

[honda250xtitan]

Ever heard of Northern Tool, Youtube and Adderall? Need a license to buy AC refrigerant though.

see my point? it's not just gas prices being annoying. it can affect an entire class. The middle working class. the guys who are trying to build their own small businesses.

 

[ravens_wood]

Walking is underrated. It's great exercise and great time to just think. “Me thinks that the moment my legs begin to move, my thoughts begin to flow.” -Thoreau.

It doesn't seem to occur to a lot of people, especially in the suburbs and through no real fault of their own... that you can walk places. Almost a forgotten art. People will sit in a car for 30 mins in the school pickup line then go walk on a treadmill for 30 mins at the gym without ever realizing how ridiculous it all is. We're conditioned to doing everything with cars just coz.

Agreed on this.

Unpopular opinion: Maybe gas should be more like $5+ /gal.

The demographics of this message board don't jive with that message. T4Rs are primarily middle aged men living in suburban/exurban lifestyles.

Walking, bicycle commuting and/or public transit will not resonate. Wrong audience for sure.

 

[dflowerz]

The demographics of this message board don't jive with that message. T4Rs are primarily middle aged men living in suburban/exurban lifestyles.

Walking, bicycle commuting and/or public transit will not resonate. Wrong audience for sure.

Maybe, but resonates with me. I have a TRD Pro, but do a lot of bicycling and running. I spend 30 years running and bicycling back and forth from work. I plan on keeping the 4Runner long term but plan to drive it less and use an electric vehicle more.

 

[somenoise]

The demographics of this message board don't jive with that message. T4Rs are primarily middle aged men living in suburban/exurban lifestyles.

Walking, bicycle commuting and/or public transit will not resonate. Wrong audience for sure.

Or arguably right audience, but not a receptive one.

 

[honda250xtitan]

The demographics of this message board don't jive with that message. T4Rs are primarily middle aged men living in suburban/exurban lifestyles.

Walking, bicycle commuting and/or public transit will not resonate. Wrong audience for sure.

funny way to say "betas" :gun4:

 

[ravens_wood]

funny way to say "betas" :gun4:

Nah, suburbs just aren't built walking/cycling to work and/or public transit. Grew up in a 'burbs and pretty much everything revolves around driving. Maybe walk to the neighborhood park, I guess. Then mindset and lifestyle changed once living in a college town and urban metros. It is what it is. :noidea:

 

[JaSC1]

Maybe, but resonates with me. I have a TRD Pro, but do a lot of bicycling and running. I spend 30 years running and bicycling back and forth from work. I plan on keeping the 4Runner long term but plan to drive it less and use an electric vehicle more.

I would urge you to not stop running as I found out. Going to no PT after 23 years in the Army was a bad move. The national health stats show this.

 

[dflowerz]

I would urge you to not stop running as I found out. Going to no PT after 23 years in the Army was a bad move. The national health stats show this.

I hear you. I am 65 and have no plans to stop, just do less to allow time to recover. Right now I am running 2x/week and cycling 2-4x/week. Been extremely lucky to have not been very injury prone. Also do a fair amount of walking with my wife, and the odd off road motorcycle ride now and then. Electric mountain bikes are incredibly fun too and hard exercise on tough trails even with the motor assist. I am happy. Love my 4Runner too. Great for hauling me and stuff wherever.

 

[wsu_runner]

I hear you. I am 65 and have no plans to stop, just do less to allow time to recover. Right now I am running 2x/week and cycling 2-4x/week. Been extremely lucky to have not been very injury prone. Also do a fair amount of walking with my wife, and the odd off road motorcycle ride now and then. Electric mountain bikes are incredibly fun too and hard exercise on tough trails even with the motor assist. I am happy. Love my 4Runner too. Great for hauling me and stuff wherever.

My handle probably says enough. Running has been a game-changer. Glad I can do it at my age (I'm measurably younger, but eternally grateful that I can run; I'd be lost without it). Congrats to you on finding a blend that keeps you injury-free and doing all the things you enjoy most.

 

[repo]

see my point? it's not just gas prices being annoying. it can affect an entire class. The middle working class. the guys who are trying to build their own small businesses.

Ah yeah I was just being snarky because I'm a cheapskate with a bit of OCD who likes to DIY everything and try to promote that punker DIY ethos. I know the input costs and deferred/cancelled projects are starting to hurt tradesmen bad but I hadn't really considered the economic loss if everyone started doing the DIY thing tbh. Most people even the white collar upper middle class are too burned out with work, comuting, kids etc to have the time and energy for it anyway or simply lack the confidence to try.

That said, last summer my AC went out and the AC guy tried to tell me I needed a whole new system for $10k, after paying a $120 call out fee. I did some youtube research and tested the condenser capacitor which was bad (they have a 5 year service life apparantly). So I replaced that sucker at a cost of $17 and the system started right up. I also replaced the contactor, disconnect box, cleaned all the connections and deep cleaned the coils as PM.

 

[repo]

Nah, suburbs just aren't built walking/cycling to work and/or public transit. Grew up in a 'burbs and pretty much everything revolves around driving. Maybe walk to the neighborhood park, I guess. Then mindset and lifestyle changed once living in a college town and urban metros. It is what it is. :noidea:

I love mountain biking and this is reminding me I need to tune up the bike and start riding again. But I would never ride on the street in this country other than to get from truck to a trailhead. The street is more dangerous than black diamond singletrack IMO. We have sidewalks for most areas around here but nobody walks out of utility only to walk dogs or exercise. They love riding those cheesy golf carts and even can-ams around the hood if they have to go somewhere closeby for utility. It's weird. They also refuse to walk on the actual sidewalk... they prefer to walk 5 feet away in the street, with the flow of traffic while wearing headphones and dark clothes at 5am or 10pm. We need some kind of pedestrian awareness and education campaign in this country. There's no financial incentive for such things (yet). There are at least some efforts being made in terms of infrastructure and planning. Like connecting trails together so you can actually break the matrix and exit the subdivision. The newer neighboring subdivision has half ass bike lane markings which everyone ignores and walkable (golf-cartable lol) stores being built within the neighborhood.

 

[honda250xtitan]

Ah yeah I was just being snarky because I'm a cheapskate with a bit of OCD who likes to DIY everything and try to promote that punker DIY ethos. I know the input costs and deferred/cancelled projects are starting to hurt tradesmen bad but I hadn't really considered the economic loss if everyone started doing the DIY thing tbh. Most people even the white collar upper middle class are too burned out with work, comuting, kids etc to have the time and energy for it anyway or simply lack the confidence to try.

That said, last summer my AC went out and the AC guy tried to tell me I needed a whole new system for $10k, after paying a $120 call out fee. I did some youtube research and tested the condenser capacitor which was bad (they have a 5 year service life apparantly). So I replaced that sucker at a cost of $17 and the system started right up. I also replaced the contactor, disconnect box, cleaned all the connections and deep cleaned the coils as PM.

yoooo wtf. this is why people hate calling "service companies" thats crazy. I've had good luck with using our installer to do service calls.

 

[SeattleDude]

Seems like Price at the pump certainly does not affect people that are trying to buy a new 4Runner. Searched high and low got on multiple wait lists and all of the 4Runners that come on Allocation are already Pre Sold (at least at all of the dealerships that will sell them at MSRP without Markups)

 

[Deuxdiesel]

I've been getting 17.6 for the past 4 months with my winter tires (255/75 DuraTrac's on OEM steelies) and just switched to my summer set (255/75 KO's on aftermarket alloys). I drove across the state and back yesterday and my average went up to 19.1. I was surprised to see how many big trucks and SUV's were driving 75-80. You can just bet that those are the people who complain most about gas prices, yet their habits don't change.

 

[repo]

Seems like Price at the pump certainly does not affect people that are trying to buy a new 4Runner. Searched high and low got on multiple wait lists and all of the 4Runners that come on Allocation are already Pre Sold (at least at all of the dealerships that will sell them at MSRP without Markups)

Well the cost to fill your tank is only a part of it. It's also the cost of everything that it affects which is taking a while to truly manifest combined with these sanctions. For example if you plan on building a house you'll find out how much plywood comes from Russia. How much it now costs truck drivers to bring it to the builder supply. How much ammonia, potash, urea farmers need comes from Russia. How much gas farmers use to grow food. How much gas truck drivers use to get a jug of milk to the supermarket. How many people's jobs are subsidized by frivolous consumer debt. All those will start eating in to vehicle purchase budgets.

Not many people buy new cars for cash or even bother to calculate the overall cost (purchase price, total interest, tax, registration, insurance, maintenance). They just look at the monthly payment. The fed started raising rates and I think they said they will increase at the next 6 meetings. To beat inflation they will have to raise to the equivalent of 7 or 8% real world inflation. That gets you a lot less vehicle for the same monthly payment. Lenders should start to tighten requirements too.

I dunno... my feeling is we've been due for a deflationary collapse for ages. The stuff you don't really need is going to be cheaper (if you have liquid cash, true leverage like owning productive assets, or your income paces inflation somehow). The stuff you need to survive will be more expensive.

TLDR; good for savers bad for borrowers.

 

[awocsb]

Bad time to consider a new or used 4Runner right now