Who's the next president?

So,McCain doesn't want to discuss the big issue which is the economy but will be lowering his campaign down to personal attacks on Obama and his so called connection with a "terrorist".:bonk:

I think somebody will be pointing out Palin's interesting associations too so she should be more careful with how she is attacking Obama.

I think the wheels are starting to come off the Maverick's bus. :p
 
Granted our picks for this election are not great with either party .

McCain/Palin have strong and weak points as with anyone , but at least have experience .

Obama plain old scares the crap out of me !!!

just my .02
 
Falls said:
Rob Peter to pay Paul.

The story on how American people live beyond their means .

And, may I add, we're becomming more and more like our "friends" across the Pacific. Privitize profits and socialize losses. :bash:

On another topic. I don't like either option, but at least McCain knows the "good old boys" in Washington, which is a big help in getting things done. I personally don't place much emphasis on this so called "experience" factor, I don't think it matters. McCain has no executive experience, either, and Palin is one who just plain scares me, regardless of gubernatorial experience.

But, as it were, I'm favoring McCain at this point, even though I really don't like him much at all.:(
 
Falls said:
Granted our picks for this election are not great with either party .

McCain/Palin have strong and weak points as with anyone , but at least have experience .

Obama plain old scares the crap out of me !!!

just my .02



It's obvious Palin has very little experience as she demonstrates every time she opens her mouth and McCain has no answers for the economy but just wants to lower his agenda down to a smear campaign instead of addressing the issues. That scares me since what would happen if McCain won with no plans to fix the economy.

I don't think Obama has all the answers either but I don't think he's going to lower his campaign to McCain's level with unfounded attacks. McCain is desperate.

Get ready since this is looking like Obama will be the prez and I'm still trying to figure out the gun owner's worries since I don't think guns are the big issue here and nothing will change during Obama's term. The gun issue is just the Republican's way to distract from the real issues.


"but at least McCain knows the "good old boys" in Washington, which is a big help in getting things done"

When have they gotten things done? Iraq? Economy?

This is why the american public won't be voting for Mccain since he's too closely aligned with those who screwed this country up.

We need a break from Republicans and I think most voters will see that.
 
I haven't looked at this thread in over a week, but I think in the last week we have all seen that Palin as VP would be down right embarrassing. I have never liked Bush but I actually don't feel as bad about him after I look at Palin. We just can't send a self proclaimed "Hockey Mom" to meet foreign leaders. Our leaders are not supposed to be "Joe Six Packs." I just don't understand the excitement about Palin from the republican base. It is completely embarrassing that she is a VP candidate.
 
benormous said:
I haven't looked at this thread in over a week, but I think in the last week we have all seen that Palin as VP would be down right embarrassing. I have never liked Bush but I actually don't feel as bad about him after I look at Palin. We just can't send a self proclaimed "Hockey Mom" to meet foreign leaders. Our leaders are not supposed to be "Joe Six Packs." I just don't understand the excitement about Palin from the republican base. It is completely embarrassing that she is a VP candidate.

:iagree: Completely. I can't stand her attitude and utter lack of ability to think on her feet. I have seen in interviews and debates that once the script runs out, "dog gonnit," she's in trouble. Its a good thing that Vice Presidents are behind the scenes. If she was elected president, I would be a little less proud to call myself an American.

To retort Ron's response to my "good old boys" comment: Hard to blame Washington Republicans as a whole for the problems we face today. Who has been the majority in the Senate and the House since the last election? Don't they have any clout? The executive branch is Republican right now, but that's about it. Ultra liberal health care may provide some relief for certain folks, but at what cost? Even the Obama campaign can't answer that. What about the liberal economic policies of ultra regulations? I admit that some regs are needed but why move towards socializing the economy? I prefer to handle my own business and for the government to leave me alone.
That being said, I've wanted to go Democrat until the current candidate and running mate came along because I, too, am sick of the Republicans right now. If its one thing Democrats are good at lately, its snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

You know what, I'm writing myself in on the ballots. Just re-reading the contradictory statements above that I wrote, I realize now I don't like either option. Hopefully, a third party will emerge someday...:headslap:
 
RonMAIDEN said:
It's obvious Palin has very little experience as she demonstrates every time she opens her mouth and McCain has no answers for the economy but just wants to lower his agenda down to a smear campaign instead of addressing the issues. That scares me since what would happen if McCain won with no plans to fix the economy.

I don't think Obama has all the answers either but I don't think he's going to lower his campaign to McCain's level with unfounded attacks. McCain is desperate.

Get ready since this is looking like Obama will be the prez and I'm still trying to figure out the gun owner's worries since I don't think guns are the big issue here and nothing will change during Obama's term. The gun issue is just the Republican's way to distract from the real issues.

"but at least McCain knows the "good old boys" in Washington, which is a big help in getting things done"

When have they gotten things done? Iraq? Economy?

This is why the american public won't be voting for Mccain since he's too closely aligned with those who screwed this country up.

We need a break from Republicans and I think most voters will see that.

And, just think, you once proclaimed that you were "independent." :D Now, THAT is outrageous! :bigok:
 
Thai said:
And, just think, you once proclaimed that you were "independent." :D Now, THAT is outrageous! :bigok:
Reminds me of a right wing broadcast saying "We are Fair and Balance".

If you see things in the ads or a braodcast and are wondering if they are true, these are two neat sites. Take it in a grain of salt.

http://www.factcheck.org/

http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/

I read these quite a bit, don't always agree with them, but I think they help a little.
 
Thai said:
And, just think, you once proclaimed that you were "independent." :D Now, THAT is outrageous! :bigok:

I was under the impression that this thread is about the presidential election, not personal attacks against other members.

You are clearly a republican, and I can't imagine you are happy about the polls of late, but please have some dignity.
 
Falls said:
Granted our picks for this election are not great with either party .

McCain/Palin have strong and weak points as with anyone , but at least have experience .

Obama plain old scares the crap out of me !!!

just my .02

What is it that scares you about Obama?

While I have always been for Obama, I respected McCain and actually liked him back in the primary debates. If you look at his history, he is one of the most central republicans. I also respect his service to this country. However, I find it shameful when come spring, he shifted most of his views to align himself with the conservative base. This scares me. He talks about change, but can't even keep it up in his campaign views. What can we expect if he were to be elected? In my opinion, caving to the demands of the old time republicans.

For all of his experience, McCain seems to know little about the three big issues: Economy, War, and Health Care. On the economy, McCain said at least 3 times tonight that he wants the government to buy up all the bad mortgages in the country and refinance at the CURRENT value of the property. I'm going to guess that the average property value has dropped $25k from when it was bought with a bad loan. Who is eating this cost? The taxpayer? Ok, fine. Then what was the point of the bank bailout? People should pay for their homes, bad mortgages should be refinanced at whatever is owed. On the war(s), I personally don't see where McCain knows anything on this issue. While Obama wants to pull troops out of Iraq for a logical reason, we have spent $700b and continue to spend $10b/month for a war we can never benefit from, McCain want to stay so we "Win." Excuse me, but what the hell does that mean? What the hell can we possibly win after spending nearly $1t? NOTHING. Iraq wasn't the problem to begin with, Afghanistan was. On health care, McCain wants to throw $5k at every family to make them shut up about health care, when in my family, buying insurance isn't the problem. Its you buy decent insurance at a high rate, go to the doctor, then you get a bill saying the insurance company is only paying 40%. That is absurd.

Another thing about McCain is that he is OLD. Don't get me wrong, he could easily live another 20 years, but he is too old to be president. Look at how much Clinton and Bush aged over 8 years. It is an extremely stressful job, and I just don't think McCain can keep up with it. We are in the last month before the election and he doesn't campaign on the weekends. But for me, the truly scary aspect is the whole ticket. Like I stated before, Palin is just embarassing, and McCain's age makes the VP's more important than ever. But forgetting his age, how can we send Sarah Palin anywhere to represent our country? We often send Condoleeza Rice to represent us, and look at the difference between these women.

McCain is not in touch with the american people. His wife is worth in the hundreds of millions and he lives the lifestyle. How can we expect someone like that to know what its like down here? He can't even use the internet or send and email. Children as young as 4 can turn on a computer, log in, and start a game. His sheer ignorance towards technology is a big issue to me because technology will be key if we want to become THE world super power again.

John McCain is not a bad guy, he's just not the right guy.
 
I liked McCain 8 years ago but now he just seems like an angry old man who has no skills on how to relate to the middle class.
 
benormous said:
I was under the impression that this thread is about the presidential election, not personal attacks against other members.

You are clearly a republican, and I can't imagine you are happy about the polls of late, but please have some dignity.

And did i ever say that i was anything otherwise?? :confused: Personal attack against RonM? Oh, he's used to it! :D Unlike you, RonM actually doesn't take thing personally and know that this is just the internet.

Dignity? Wow, that is pretty funny. Someone is a bit sensitive! :bash:
 
MikesToy said:
Is it possible for Obama and Palin to win or vice versa McCain and Bidden to win? :confused:

Uhh...maybe you should be reading YOUR own thread before posting...the answer is on page 3. ;):
 
Thai said:
And did i ever say that i was anything otherwise?? :confused: Personal attack against RonM? Oh, he's used to it! :D Unlike you, RonM actually doesn't take thing personally and know that this is just the internet.

Dignity? Wow, that is pretty funny. Someone is a bit sensitive! :bash:

I'm not taking anything personally, nothing was directed at me, I just think it bad taste.

And about being a republican, I was just saying they tend to avoid issues and talk about what ever they feel.
 
benormous said:
I'm not taking anything personally, nothing was directed at me, I just think it bad taste.

And about being a republican, I was just saying they tend to avoid issues and talk about what ever they feel.

Bad taste?? WTF are you talking about?! How sensitive are you?!! Holy crap! Was i even talking to you?? Was i even insulting RonM to begin with??!! I think that YOU are the only one who got your panties all twisted in a knot!!

When did i avoid issue?? Am i running for president??

And yes, if it makes you feel better, I AM INDEED DIRECTING THIS POST AT YOU. Now, go and cry in a corner. :p
 

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