why are 4runners called jeep-killers?
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SilverBullet01
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well heres what i think, and this is just purely my opinion. as a previous jeep wrangler TJ owner, i admit that their off road capabilities are pretty impressive. the fact that it has such a short length means that its capable of getting into places that most cars cannot. i know that jeep a while back sent a few wranglers through the rubricon, bone stock, just to prove that it could be done.
but in contrast, 4runners are much more reliable than jeeps (completely my opinion) i have had waaay less problems with my toyota than my jeep.
and the jeep killer thing is just a friendly rivalry. and if you know the jeep saying "its a jeep thing, you wouldnt understand" its true. jeep owners are much more tight knit in my opinion. i used to get the jeep wave all the time from everyone else in wranglers. that is also another reason why i love the saying "its a jeep thing, thats why i bought a toyota"
but in contrast, 4runners are much more reliable than jeeps (completely my opinion) i have had waaay less problems with my toyota than my jeep.
and the jeep killer thing is just a friendly rivalry. and if you know the jeep saying "its a jeep thing, you wouldnt understand" its true. jeep owners are much more tight knit in my opinion. i used to get the jeep wave all the time from everyone else in wranglers. that is also another reason why i love the saying "its a jeep thing, thats why i bought a toyota"
shawnstcyr
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As a former Cherokee and Grand Cherokee Laredo owner, I have to agree that we kill Jeep on reliabilty. I had more problems from those 2 vehicles than from anything else I have ever owned.
s-one
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SilverBullet01 said:well heres what i think, and this is just purely my opinion. as a previous jeep wrangler TJ owner, i admit that their off road capabilities are pretty impressive. the fact that it has such a short length means that its capable of getting into places that most cars cannot. i know that jeep a while back sent a few wranglers through the rubricon, bone stock, just to prove that it could be done.
but in contrast, 4runners are much more reliable than jeeps (completely my opinion) i have had waaay less problems with my toyota than my jeep.
and the jeep killer thing is just a friendly rivalry. and if you know the jeep saying "its a jeep thing, you wouldnt understand" its true. jeep owners are much more tight knit in my opinion. i used to get the jeep wave all the time from everyone else in wranglers. that is also another reason why i love the saying "its a jeep thing, thats why i bought a toyota"
haha.. very good post.
Pikeman
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All I know is Jeeps are very capable but everytime I take my 4Runner off-road I am more and more impressed. I went to a 4x4 Club Pizza nite that I was interested in joining and when they heard I had a Toyota they turned their nose up at me as if I wasnt good enough. Two months later at a huge event in So. Cal I passed by two of their members (with BUILT jeeps on 37's geared and locked) trying to recover a Chevy 2500 burried to its axles in sand. They failed and I went up with my stock Runner with all season tires open diff's and still at street pressure and pulled the 2500 out no problem. Then asked the club members if they still wanted to turn their nose up at my Yota. Then went on to recover two other stuck vehicles within eye sight.
shawnstcyr
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Glamis? I was totally blown away at how good our 'Runners perform out there. Street pressure in some old AT's was great. Aired down to 12 PSI, even better. Glamis and Blythe were my first real offroad experiences in my 'Runner. Followed by the canyons and washes of Palm Springs.Pikeman said:
JohnsD90
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I love my 4runner the same as the next guy but jeeps (espacially older cherokees and wranglers) are better offroad thats what they are built for if im in a bad sitituation id rather be in the wrangler than the 4runner. Plus the only 2 Jeep Recovery Vehicles are H1's and Land Rover Defenders.
p.s. i dont like Jeeps
p.s. i dont like Jeeps
JohnsD90
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hahazcruiser said:Well, not to get into a knock-down drag-out un-winnable debate here, but...
If this is so true then why are the H1 and D90/110zcruiser said:A Land Cruiser w. lockers will destroy any H1 or D90...
military vehicles of choice, and neither need modification to beat out any other vehicles.
(I know this is a great way to start out on a forum)
because H1's are american and land rovers are british. Gov's *generally* don't buy from outside the country unless there is nothing as good offered from in the country.
I believe the Japanese self-defense force (aren't allowed to have an actual military) use small Toyotas and mitsubishi's
But since you mentioned military, I have heard many things about humvees performing poorly in the gulf and now iraq wars. They are too heavy and can even start to sink in the sand. In contrast, insurgents use toyota pickups and fly across the desert.
Also, go to australia or sub-saharan africa and start counting the number of land cruisers you see...
I believe the Japanese self-defense force (aren't allowed to have an actual military) use small Toyotas and mitsubishi's
But since you mentioned military, I have heard many things about humvees performing poorly in the gulf and now iraq wars. They are too heavy and can even start to sink in the sand. In contrast, insurgents use toyota pickups and fly across the desert.
Also, go to australia or sub-saharan africa and start counting the number of land cruisers you see...
SilverBullet01
Senior Member
s-one said:haha.. very good post.
thank you
JohnsD90 said:
I can't speak from personal experience in australia, but I know the LC is very prominent there. From what I have always heard, more so than the defender.
However, my family is from sub-saharan africa. I have been there countless times. So, I can say, from personal experience that land cruisers are the vehicle of choice. You see them in use in police forces, UN vehicles, and the middle class on up. I would even go as far to say that, from what I have seen, there are more nissan patrols and mitsu pajeros than land rovers. The land rover died in africa in the 80's....
Hacker
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One of the things that inspired me to look into owning a 4Runner was what I saw in Afghanistan.
The vast majority of general purpose vehicles in Afghanistan are Toyota HiLuxes...and the ones I saw were used in very harsh terrain and under some pretty Spartan conditions, and just would not die.
I didn't see any Jeeps, Land Cruisers, or Land Rovers (except the ones driven by Brit and Aussie ISAF units).
The vast majority of general purpose vehicles in Afghanistan are Toyota HiLuxes...and the ones I saw were used in very harsh terrain and under some pretty Spartan conditions, and just would not die.
I didn't see any Jeeps, Land Cruisers, or Land Rovers (except the ones driven by Brit and Aussie ISAF units).
JohnsD90
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Sadly this will be a losing battle on this forum but you must remember the defender is built for offroad/farm/military use you cannot say that about the other vehicles. you can keep badmouthing it all you want, but at the end of the day Defenders are built specifically for offroading.
ANd heres a quote from a FJ forum
"Hate to sound biased here... I've been working on Rovers for about three years now. Don't get me wrong, I love my FJ and would trade it for nothing. But the more I get into taking the FJ apart, build and reworking it, the more I realized this vehicle is not all it was hyped up to be. It's simple and goes back to the engineering of the entire vehicle. If you look at the vehicle completely, there has been almost nothing that has been build specifically for offroading. Engine and transmission are from 4runner/tacoma. Axles the same. The frame is designed like the prado (lots of offroad history) The body is weak and flimsy, (I have fender tears and bulges.)
The Land Rover is build for offroad driving. Every aspect of these vehicle is built around going off road. Land Rover developed hill decent control. Land Rover developed terrian response. People laugh at them becuase 99% of their owners choose to install 22'' Asani chrome wheels and drive their kids to school every day. I personally have had every Land Rover model (95 model year and up) offroad and have to say, with the exception of freelander and LR2, there is not a prodect they make than cannot go head to head with even our most modded FJ's. (Offroad tires included on Rover's side)
I would love to own a new defender.
I would warranty everything I could break on it myself. But that list would be very small..."
ANd heres a quote from a FJ forum
"Hate to sound biased here... I've been working on Rovers for about three years now. Don't get me wrong, I love my FJ and would trade it for nothing. But the more I get into taking the FJ apart, build and reworking it, the more I realized this vehicle is not all it was hyped up to be. It's simple and goes back to the engineering of the entire vehicle. If you look at the vehicle completely, there has been almost nothing that has been build specifically for offroading. Engine and transmission are from 4runner/tacoma. Axles the same. The frame is designed like the prado (lots of offroad history) The body is weak and flimsy, (I have fender tears and bulges.)
The Land Rover is build for offroad driving. Every aspect of these vehicle is built around going off road. Land Rover developed hill decent control. Land Rover developed terrian response. People laugh at them becuase 99% of their owners choose to install 22'' Asani chrome wheels and drive their kids to school every day. I personally have had every Land Rover model (95 model year and up) offroad and have to say, with the exception of freelander and LR2, there is not a prodect they make than cannot go head to head with even our most modded FJ's. (Offroad tires included on Rover's side)
I would love to own a new defender.
I would warranty everything I could break on it myself. But that list would be very small..."
