Wrangler to 4Runner Convert-in-Progress

thinkxingu

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There was something spiritual sparked in my soul's core the first time I drove my Wrangler Islander with the top down and doors off. The moment is still burned into my retinas: "Hypnotize" emanated from the sound bar as I turned out of my driveway and completed a series of errands, effortlessly exiting and entering without grabbing handles or pressing buttons. The wind in my hair, along with driving a vehicle that would take me to more places than any other, was pure joy.

A few days later, we threw the kids in back (with the doors on) and began the first of many adventures with our Wrangler. The ocean, the lake, the mountains, backcountry roads, and forgotten trails wandering through the New England countryside were all exponentially more interesting in a Jeep.

But after 70k miles, something happened. I like to tell myself that it wasn't me aging, but the drawbacks of owning a Jeep began to weigh on me: the wind noise requiring speaking or playing music loudly; twitchy steering; vibrations; failed heater core, rattles, and nervousness over Death Wobble; burning a quart of oil every 1K; and a series of subpar dealers in my area led to me trading it in for a Mustang convertible and Escape.

The day after I drove away, I found out the fuel tank and radiator needed to be replaced.

The Mustang was for top-down-with-ease drives, but I quickly discovered it didn't fit my lifestyle. The kids loved it, but we couldn't take it on long trips or to the woods backpacking, biking, or boating. It spent most of its three years with us parked in our garage.

The Escape was too much of a car, and I would get disappointed every time I wanted a truck: when coming along someone stuck in snowbanks or mud holes, needing to tow a trailer full of wood, going off-road looking for places to drive radio-controlled trucks with my L'il Buddy.

So I started looking at options for another body-on-frame SUV and came to the 4Runner, new Wrangler, or future Jeep truck. I ended up with an SR5P because we wanted a third row--life has changed for us--but, and herein lies the rub: I still think of the Wrangler. I still see the variation, the culture, the rugged history of a vehicle that can just...go where it wants and have fun doing it.

The thing is, though, I love getting into my Runner. I love that I can roll the windows up and listen to talk radio or hiking podcasts at a volume that doesn't give me a headache. I love that it will bring me everywhere I'll ever need to go and be prepared to do whatever I'll ever need to do. I still love the windows down, sunroof open, rear window open free-air driving with Biggie remembering that it was all a dream.

I know my soul is torn between logic--the reliability, function, and comfort of the 4Runner--and emotion--the feeling of driving an open air vehicle with history and an unparalleled culture, but that doesn't make the conversion easier.

I'm not sure where this road will take me, but this weekend will be my first in peek foliage New Hampshire and I'm hoping to travel an old notch road with the fam. Maybe the Runner and I will become old friends on the way.


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There was something spiritual sparked in my soul's core the first time I drove my Wrangler Islander with the top down and doors off. The moment is still burned into my retinas: "Hypnotize" emanated from the sound bar as I turned out of my driveway and completed a series of errands, effortlessly exiting and entering without grabbing handles or pressing buttons. The wind in my hair, along with driving a vehicle that would take me to more places than any other, was pure joy.

A few days later, we threw the kids in back (with the doors on) and began the first of many adventures with our Wrangler. The ocean, the lake, the mountains, backcountry roads, and forgotten trails wandering through the New England countryside were all exponentially more interesting in a Jeep.

But after 70k miles, something happened. I like to tell myself that it wasn't me aging, but the drawbacks of owning a Jeep began to weigh on me: the wind noise requiring speaking or playing music loudly; twitchy steering; vibrations; failed heater core, rattles, and nervousness over Death Wobble; burning a quart of oil every 1K; and a series of subpar dealers in my area led to me trading it in for a Mustang convertible and Escape.

The day after I drove away, I found out the fuel tank and radiator needed to be replaced.

The Mustang was for top-down-with-ease drives, but I quickly discovered it didn't fit my lifestyle. The kids loved it, but we couldn't take it in long trips or to the woods backpacking, biking, or boating. It spent most of its three years with us parked in our garage.

The Escape was too much of a car, and I would get disappointed every time I wanted a truck: when coming along someone stuck in snowbanks or mud holes, needing to tow a trailer full of wood, going off-road looking for places to drive radio controlled trucks with my L'il Buddy.

So I started looking at options for another body-on-frame SUV and came to the 4Runner, new Wrangler, or future Jeep truck. I ended up with an SR5P because we wanted a third row--life has changed for us--but here's the thing: I still think of the Wrangler. I still see the variation, the culture, the rugged history of a vehicle that can just...go where it wants and have fun doing it.

But here's the thing: I love getting into my Runner. I love that I can roll the windows up and listen to talk radio or hiking podcasts at a volume that doesn't give me a headache. I love that it will bring me everywhere I'll ever need to go and be prepared to do whatever I'll ever need to do. I still love the windows down, sunroof open, rear window open free-air driving with Biggie remembering that it was all a dream.

I know my soul is torn between logic--the reliability, function, and comfort of the 4Runner--and emotion--the feeling of driving an open air vehicle with history and an unparalleled culture, but that doesn't make the conversion easier.

I'm not sure where this road will take me, but this weekend will be my first in peek foliage New Hampshire and I'm hoping to travel an old notch road with the fam. Maybe the Runner and I will become old friends on the way.


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Auto down back window. DONE!
 
But after 70k miles, something happened. I like to tell myself that it wasn't me aging, but the drawbacks of owning a Jeep began to weigh on me: the wind noise requiring speaking or playing music loudly; twitchy steering; vibrations; failed heater core, rattles, and nervousness over Death Wobble

Woah, are you me? I'm at 65k but this is spot on my situation. Heater core and everything. I wish my Pro would get here...
 
And this, this is why I have a 2012 JKUR on 37" swampers and a 2012 SR5 premium both in the garage. The 4 runner takes me all over the NE for work, the Jeep is for fun on the weekends or the weekdays that I am home. Problem with taking the Jeep anywhere though is it has a way of killing my time. Like, everywhere I go I get assaulted in parking lots and asked 100 questions by guys that have no idea what they are talking about. If in a rush or I want to go stealth I take the 4 runner and be low profile :)

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Jeep TJ has come down in price. Cheap enough for some to have as a spare vehicle. I would get the TJ unlimited for the extra cargo room.
 
My Runner has been more places and has done more things than my Jeep friends have done.

It was a rented wrangler on Kauai for me that got me into off roading and I have respect for the capabilities of even a stock Jeep, but...and here’s the BIG BUT, the reliability of the Runner is pretty much unmatched. I’ll be wheeling for many years to come without even a thought of whether or not my truck will get me to and from my destinations. With 98,000 problem-free miles, I’m just getting started.

And yeah, rear window down makes it!


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Totally understand this. Had a 2012 JK Rubi. Loved it. But then had the dreaded engine head issue and my power crapped out as well as the mpg's. They replaced the heads at 9000 miles. To make matters worse - the front cowl in front of the windshield had rust on it the day I drove it off the lot. The dealer replaced it...but still.

I turned it in for an Xterra Pro4x which then became my 2016 Trail.

Welcome to world of reliability.
 
I'm on the bubble myself. I have a 2012 JK Wrangler Sport that I built up. Had tons of fun doing it, but I'm kinda over it. Turns out I'm more of an overlander than a rock hopper these days, and I could do without the crappy soft top, the long throw clutch and the general tractoryness of the driving experience on pavement. It's a 2-door, so it's not too stable at speed, and there no room inside. I want something that I can sleep in and that won't break down 80 miles from anywhere - that did happen, but I managed to find someone to flag down.

Looking at a new TRD Off-road w/KDSS, but I'd grab a 2005-2009 Lexus GX470 to mod if I could find a clean one with KDSS. One of these things will happen soon.
 
I had a 93 wrangler and enjoyed it , fun modding it. Only thing I hated was driving on the highway, wind noise and handling. I was tempted to purchase a 4 door wrangler but couldn't bring myself to do it. While looking for a new suv I mentioned to my wife to check out the 4runner and she fell in love with it. So the wife now has the 4runner and Im "allowed" to drive and mod it lightly.
 
Similar story, I just let my Built 13 Rubicon Unlimited (hard top) go and picked up a 16 Trail. Not an easy decision but it was actually a bit of a relief when I finally made it.
My house is in the mountains at around 9000ft. We got our first light snow yesterday. Having a good 4wd is an important factor in my life!


Pro's of the change:
Quieter, more comfortable
More cargo room
Better highway driving
Better mileage
No more randomly leaking freedom tops.
reclining rear seats - kids are happy about this!
Still moddable - Plenty of mod options.
Toyota build quality - seriously it's like they build tanks.
Trail edition means locker - The rubi front locker was almost never needed but I use rear lockers quite a bit in the winter.
No more lame uconnect bluetooth issues.
Stock size winter tires are trivial to find on craigslist. (I snagged some barely used Blizzaks for $200 this round)

Cons:
Engine tuning isn't really a thing - I miss the idle kick up that my traildash had
I have to dig into the harness to use the locker in 4wd high - again no traildash
Can't reprogram the tire size... at all? Dunno I need to research this more. (again, miss the traildash)
Gotta cut plastic to mount bumpers - I'm married that's plenty of commitment. :)
Dealer put on POS highway tires - yay I get to spend more $ on tires.
I miss my ground clearance just a bit, but I know how to fix that. :)
Suspension mods are more expensive due to the IFS.

Bonus in my case:
Mine has katskinz leather seats - We didn't know it until I went to pick it up!
Found a working aftermarket remote start installed that the dealer didn't know about. I was lamenting having to install one when I noticed the under hood safety switch.
 
I had a 93 wrangler and enjoyed it , fun modding it. Only thing I hated was driving on the highway, wind noise and handling. I was tempted to purchase a 4 door wrangler but couldn't bring myself to do it. While looking for a new suv I mentioned to my wife to check out the 4runner and she fell in love with it. So the wife now has the 4runner and Im "allowed" to drive and mod it lightly.


Still have my modded 93' YJ. Bought the 4runner for the wife. Liked it so much we bought a second one for me.
 
Still have my modded 93' YJ. Bought the 4runner for the wife. Liked it so much we bought a second one for me.

We may eventually do the same, would like to see the next generation 4runner and tundra. Her 17 4runner is pretty much complete, possibly rsg rock sliders.

17 sr5 prem.
All black
black badge overlays
painted roof rails
front windows tinted
trd pro wheels
trd pro suspension

Love the look and the way it handles with the trd suspension.
 
I do miss my Jeeps for sure.... but with growing family we needed more room.
I always had 4runners along with my Jeeps, but runners were always stock.
My 06 Rubicon had OPDA issue that made me get rid of it. Only had 19k miles when I sold it.
 

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I do miss my Jeeps for sure.... but with growing family we needed more room.
I always had 4runners along with my Jeeps, but runners were always stock.
My 06 Rubicon had OPDA issue that made me get rid of it. Only had 19k miles when I sold it.
Nice TJ! Isn't the OPDA like a $100 fix unless it goes long enough to blow the engine? And even so, used 4.0's are cheap. Just curious if there was more you didn't like about it.

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Well my opda gear tore up my cam shaft. They had to take out the cam shaft. Fought with Jeep Chrysler and they gave me 4 oil changes. At the time car only had 12k miles, but since it just passed warranty time limit they made me pay in full. OPDA(Oil pump drive assembly) is a well known issue for 2004-6 to models. It was my second TJ but first with new design opda assembly. I got sick of pulling opda every 3k miles to see if damage was being done.
 
Welcome aboard. Whereabouts in New England are you?

The 4R does 90-95% of what the Jeep can do off-road, but the Jeep is only *maybe* 75% as good on-road as the 4R. It's a compromise regardless of which way you go, but it's easier to upgrade the 4Runner's off-road chops than it is to upgrade the Wrangler's on-road characteristics. I almost bought a JL Wrangler and-- especially in light of the frame weld recall-- am quite happy I bought (another) 4Runner.
 
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The 4R does 90-95% of what the Jeep can do off-road, but the Jeep is only *maybe* 75% as good on-road as the 4R. It's a compromise regardless of which way you go, but it's easier to upgrade the 4Runner's off-road chops than it is to upgrade the Wrangler's on-road characteristics. I almost bought a JL Wrangler and-- especially in light of the frame weld recall-- am quite happy I bought (another) 4Runner.

Agreed with some additional comments:

From the comfort and on road manners, I would say Jeep “maybe” does 50% of what 4runner does.
Of course from reliability stand point, 4Runner and Jeep simply cannot be compared…
And on the top of all above, 4Runner is not going to try to kill you and your family with “death wobble” every time you exceed 50 mph… and that part is important (at least to me it is).

To OP: Welcome aboard!

To complete your conversion: I would say keep the 4runner, buy another Jeep, hit the trail wait until it breaks down:pray: -flag the passing 4Runner and ask for a lift-get your 4Runner rescue and tow your Jeep from the trail to Jeep repair facility (should be a lost of those) -sell the Jeep -conversion now is complete.:frog:
 
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Southern NH.

I recently moved to the area (near Lee/Epping), actually bought the '14 limited to pull the U-haul out here a few months ago.
Twice now, I've seen another black limited in Portsmouth that looks sweet with a lift/tires/wheels, but haven't' got the chance to get close.

Ryan
 

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