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Old 07-23-2024, 03:00 AM #16
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The variable resistor is only like $12. It has less failure points and is adjustable for any resistance. Although I guess a switch would be easier to change when needed once you have the resistances dialed in.
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Did you make the changes yet? Mine has been working much better. In the summer when the heat load is higher I think you can get away with 14kΩ, but with low heat load I am pretty sure there will be freezing in the winter. Lower than 14kΩ doesn't seem to do anything but make it ice up on low heat loads.
The problem, I believe, is the integrated TXV without a sensing bulb. The temperature sensor is placed just after the TXV where the condenser is coldest, so even if the outlet is at 90F it's still going to meter the refrigerant. I guess it's a cheaper and simpler solution, but it makes me want to keep that variable resistor accessible and turn it down during the hotter months - I don't care if there's a little freezing on the first 25% of the evaporator coil.

Driving home on the highway on Sunday It was 90F with dew point of 83F (awful), and it managed to get the temperature down to about 58F on fan 3 setting (which was more comfortable than the fan on high because of the reduced humidity). Most of the cooling capacity in those conditions is lost to latent heat of condensation, the humidity kills A/C performance. The compressor ran continuously, like I wanted. With less humidity it's well below 40F unless the fan is on high and ices up on lower fan settings until I adjust it back up to 15kΩ or a bit more. I'm not complaining.


I had my AC condenser replaced because I went to get the refrigerant checked one last time, and they couldn't get it to stop hitting the high pressure cutoff and shutting down the compressor early. Said there was a restriction in the condenser. Surprisingly this made an absolute world of a difference. Afterwards, with the 15k ohm resistor the ac completely froze up on me 3 times on our 2 hour drive to the mountains. Outside air temp was 91 with 50% humidity. I had to keep manually turning off the AC to keep it from freezing, the vent temp was getting down in the high 30's. I couldn't believe it. This was with the AC fan speed on 1-2.

I've since moved to using an 18k ohm resistor and haven't had any freeze ups so far, and I'm getting mid 40's vent temps on low 90 degree days after about 10-15 minutes of the truck running. Still using the GX470 condenser fan for air movement at idle.

So at this point, my entire AC system has been replaced. Honestly the only thing that made a difference on mine was the condenser itself. And I had every little bent fin straightened out with the old one, and had washed it multiple times. Guess it really was just junk in the system causing an internal restriction. I'm guessing it was due to previous moisture in the system from the leaky evap core when I bought the truck.
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I had my AC condenser replaced because I went to get the refrigerant checked one last time, and they couldn't get it to stop hitting the high pressure cutoff and shutting down the compressor early. Said there was a restriction in the condenser. Surprisingly this made an absolute world of a difference. Afterwards, with the 15k ohm resistor the ac completely froze up on me 3 times on our 2 hour drive to the mountains. Outside air temp was 91 with 50% humidity. I had to keep manually turning off the AC to keep it from freezing, the vent temp was getting down in the high 30's. I couldn't believe it. This was with the AC fan speed on 1-2.

I've since moved to using an 18k ohm resistor and haven't had any freeze ups so far, and I'm getting mid 40's vent temps on low 90 degree days after about 10-15 minutes of the truck running. Still using the GX470 condenser fan for air movement at idle.

So at this point, my entire AC system has been replaced. Honestly the only thing that made a difference on mine was the condenser itself. And I had every little bent fin straightened out with the old one, and had washed it multiple times. Guess it really was just junk in the system causing an internal restriction. I'm guessing it was due to previous moisture in the system from the leaky evap core when I bought the truck.

Wow, ok. I had already had my evaporator and condenser replaced, so it sounds like you did have a different problem. I'm surprised modifying the evaporator temperature reading made a difference at all with a blocked condenser, that's why I thought you were on the right track. I probably should have mentioned that you want to rule out restrictions in the system before going this route, but I guess at the end of the day you now have a way of making your A/C ice cold in the summer when you aren't worried about it icing up. Could be that I just have a drifting evap temperature sensor, but it never got very cold even with the previous evaporator and I would hope the new unit came with a new sensor (the one thing I did not do myself, was just too busy at the time).

I mentioned it in my original post but I probably should have called it out more directly - if you jumper that evap temp sensor with a 2kΩ resistor and the A/C goes from being coolish 55F to blasting ice cold air then your A/C is mechanically sound and the evap sensor is a potential culprit.

Glad you got it worked out!
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Wow, ok. I had already had my evaporator and condenser replaced, so it sounds like you did have a different problem. I'm surprised modifying the evaporator temperature reading made a difference at all with a blocked condenser, that's why I thought you were on the right track. I probably should have mentioned that you want to rule out restrictions in the system before going this route, but I guess at the end of the day you now have a way of making your A/C ice cold in the summer when you aren't worried about it icing up. Could be that I just have a drifting evap temperature sensor, but it never got very cold even with the previous evaporator and I would hope the new unit came with a new sensor (the one thing I did not do myself, was just too busy at the time).

I mentioned it in my original post but I probably should have called it out more directly - if you jumper that evap temp sensor with a 2kΩ resistor and the A/C goes from being coolish 55F to blasting ice cold air then your A/C is mechanically sound and the evap sensor is a potential culprit.

Glad you got it worked out!

Thanks for all your help! To be honest, I really didn't think there was anything wrong with it based on what the shops kept telling me. The only way I found out about the condenser issues was taking it to a THIRD shop who immediately said you've got a restriction. So I had them replace the condenser (being the last part in the system yet to be replaced) and I couldn't believe how much cooler it was.

I am not sure about your evap temp sensor. I know on mine, when the shop replaced my evap core, they did not swap out the old sensor. I did that on my own since mine is an earlier model where it rides on a carrier instead of
attaching to the evap core fins.

I will say, even with a fully replaced system, the resistor still makes a difference. So far I haven't seen any issues with the 18k resistor as far as icing up, and it allows the compressor to run a little longer and drop down into the mid-low 40's. Without it, the compressor will shut off for long enough that the air temp will creep up to around 55-57 before coming back down with the compressor cycling.

Here's yesterday's vent temps with outside air of 88, humidity around 78% (very rainy here at the moment).
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Based on your description that had to be the problem. I'm glad it worked out. Funny that you took out the resistor for the repair, you lacked faith!

I just used mine in the first hot weather and no question 20kohm is not enough. I'm going to install a variable resistor and adjust pedantically like a nut until I get the exact value for maximum cooling with no freezing. I've gone this far, might as well.

Onwon 20K Ohm Resistor 10 Turn Potentiometer 2W Wirewound Multi-Turn Adjustable Precision Potentiometer with 10 Turn Counting Dial Rotary Knob 6mm Shaft (20K Ohm) https://a.co/d/gh9Q00Q
I’m hoping you could provide some info on where exactly to install this resistor. Is it as simple as cutting one of the two wires and putting this in line?
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It sounds like the OP placed the resistor or the POT in parallel to the thermistor wires. I could be mistaken, however, so I'd like this clarification as well.
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Wow, ok. I had already had my evaporator and condenser replaced, so it sounds like you did have a different problem. I'm surprised modifying the evaporator temperature reading made a difference at all with a blocked condenser, that's why I thought you were on the right track. I probably should have mentioned that you want to rule out restrictions in the system before going this route, but I guess at the end of the day you now have a way of making your A/C ice cold in the summer when you aren't worried about it icing up. Could be that I just have a drifting evap temperature sensor, but it never got very cold even with the previous evaporator and I would hope the new unit came with a new sensor (the one thing I did not do myself, was just too busy at the time).

I mentioned it in my original post but I probably should have called it out more directly - if you jumper that evap temp sensor with a 2kΩ resistor and the A/C goes from being coolish 55F to blasting ice cold air then your A/C is mechanically sound and the evap sensor is a potential culprit.

Glad you got it worked out!
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Glad I caught this thread. I replaced my entire system and it works but on super hot days it fails to keep up and I have lots of cycling (like 3 times a minute). Pretty sure this is what my issue is.
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I want to embark on this but I have some un-answered questions:

- Why are there 3 connections on the variable resistor? Shouldn't there only be two?
- Why is there no range listed for the variable resistor? It just says 20k ohm but shouldn't it be xxx - 20k ohm?
- And then, what knob settings map to what resistance settings? Or do you have to measure the pot with a multimeter to find out what setting it is at?
- Do I need to solder the connections or is there a type of spade connector that fits the pot?
- Which side of the thermistor do I wire the resistor to? (pretty sure it doesn't matter)

Hopeful to get a response but if not I'll work through these problems myself and follow up either later this fall or next spring.
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Got these items figured out:

- Why are there 3 connections on the variable resistor? Shouldn't there only be two?
There are multiple ways to wire a variable resistor depending on the performance desired, but you use wiper terminal + r1 to go from 0 to 20k and wiper terminal + r2 to go in reverse (20k to 0)

- Why is there no range listed for the variable resistor? It just says 20k ohm but shouldn't it be xxx - 20k ohm?
The range is 0 ohm to 20k ohm, or you could use r1 and r2 and get exactly 20k ohm with no effect from the knob

- And then, what knob settings map to what resistance settings? Or do you have to measure the pot with a multimeter to find out what setting it is at?
These are generally linear with some tolerance variation. Just check with a meter if you want to know exactly

- Do I need to solder the connections or is there a type of spade connector that fits the pot?
Still usure on this but I ordered the variable resistor so I'll figure it out when it arrives

- Which side of the thermistor do I wire the resistor to? (pretty sure it doesn't matter)
This apparently needs to be on the SIGNAL side which according to this diagram would be the GREEN wire. 80% sure on this, would love confirmation.


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Pulled the glovebox and checked the wiring for the thermistor. The colors do match the diagram. There isn't a lot of room to work with the wiring and I don't want risk screwing it up trying to crimp it so I think I want to get a set of pigtails for both ends.

Anyone know where to find these:



EDIT: The part number to search is 90980-11918. Amazon actually has male / female pigtails. Unfortunately the lead times are over a month out, so it might be easier to call around to junkyards.

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