Went to the dealer for a speaker issue - Was lied to and caught them mocking me

Video surveillance and audio recording is almost always treated differently by the law. You've got to know what IL law is before you walk in there and potentially admit to a felony. They may even have an officer there waiting for you, and you should expect to be recorded yourself.

In addition, since you will behave as if you are being recorded, be careful in your statements not to blackmail the dealership. Extortion can be a nasty charge, and a place that employs nasty employees may be run by nasty management who will spend big $$ to prevent you from posting your video online.

You have more to lose here than your time. This may be worth consulting an attorney who could be very effective in securing a settlement payout for that video. When an attorney does it, it's not blackmail; it's business. You want a free oil change from that place or you want to get even? Think they'd be more afraid of you alone or you armed with representation?

In fact, you may meet the dealership's attorney on Wednesday. That attorney may serve you with a court injunction not to post the video. Then what do you got?
 
i'm going to plays devils advocate. i'm going to preface this by saying that i don't believe that this treatment is right nor would i want this to happen to me. As a customer you should receive nothing but a satisfactory service. I don't know you in a personal level nor am i inferring that you are in the wrong in anyway.

The porter's actions and dialog should be looked into and the appropriate discipline should take place.

I currently work at 2 dealerships and can shed some light on this side of the equation. I will admit to you that this does happen in dealerships. a lot of it depends on a few factors.

1. Can the customer complaint be easily duplicated? if no, there's no reason to continue with repairs unless there is some form of compensation (warranty, customer pay, etc)

2. Did you have coverage for component? Are they looking at this for you for free? Techs are paid based on work performed. techs are not going to get to far into a repair if they are not getting paid. Do three of these a day and you potentially lose out on a lot of money.

3. How was your demeanor towards the dealership employees? treating someone with respect goes a long way. Also being a huge A-hole can get this sort of reaction. not saying that happened or that its right but it happens.

my opinion, if you don't like the treatment you received there, don't go back. yes, the adviser shouldn't have make up a story about pulling the door panel and tightening everything. if the dealer wants to make it right, they will. They should! They will most like offer to pull door panel and investigate further. sounds like you may have just had it in a quick lube bay (lube tech is hourly and not qualified, nor do they usually care) and that the adviser came out and tried to duplicate it. unable to duplicate it he decided to give it back to you. in all actuality, it should have gone back to the tech that performed the work as a "comeback" where they should do the due diligence to pull the panel and at least look at all components. No real legality concerns really happened. nothing was stolen, wrecked or manipulated. I don't see monetary compensation like some other posts have mention. the dealer needs to regain your trust. hopefully they work with you and you get the results you are looking for. The dealer is usually the best place to take and service your vehicle. Techs are specialized, trained, and know the product the best.

Being a devil's advocate it completely fine. Let me also mention that I was the floater Service Advisor for a big name dealership I'd go back and forth between the 2 dealerships and helped out a ton of people. I used to also manage a European mechanic shop where I ran the front, as well as performing computer-level diagnostics on BMW, Mercedes, etc. Hence in my signature, that I am also a mobile programmer.

I worked with porters, SM, GM, techs, you name it, I worked with them. So I was calm and was nice throughout the whole transaction. I'm not the one to yell, but I am the one that will back up with evidence/facts for whatever I say.

1. It was duplicated. I had the advisor with me before I gave them the keys. The advisor informed the porter and the advisor admitted it multiple times in the video. Speaker was replaced under warranty and the vehicle is still under warranty.

2. Still have coverage. I know how book time and all that good stuff works. I reviewed the RO and the tech notes. He did put the sticker on the back of the RO with the amount of time it took. So, that tech was getting paid under warranty.

3. Again, I was nice and I greet everyone that I come in contact with. The initial advisor and I talked and joked around. Never said anything rude and I even greeted my advisor that wrote the RO for me the last time I was there. So going back to the tech notes, the tech and the advisor stated that the door panel was opened and tightened, etc.

I mentioned a PCM update in the beginning of the interaction with the initial advisor. I told him I ran a diag on my truck and printed out the sheet. It says there's a PCM update available, hence why he said he'll let the "senior tech" look at it. Told him I can do it myself, but I'd have to pay a subscription fee. Might as well let the tech do it and get paid under warranty to click a few buttons and walk away as the update is being flashed. Tech didn't do the PCM update, as the TSB said there has to be a specific P code for the update to be performed.
 
Video surveillance and audio recording is almost always treated differently by the law. You've got to know what IL law is before you walk in there and potentially admit to a felony. They may even have an officer there waiting for you, and you should expect to be recorded yourself.

In addition, since you will behave as if you are being recorded, be careful in your statements not to blackmail the dealership. Extortion can be a nasty charge, and a place that employs nasty employees may be run by nasty management who will spend big $$ to prevent you from posting your video online.

You have more to lose here than your time. This may be worth consulting an attorney who could be very effective in securing a settlement payout for that video. When an attorney does it, it's not blackmail; it's business. You want a free oil change from that place or you want to get even? Think they'd be more afraid of you alone or you armed with representation?

In fact, you may meet the dealership's attorney on Wednesday. That attorney may serve you with a court injunction not to post the video. Then what do you got?

When I spoke to the SM, I informed him that I'd like to talk. He said what resolution was I looking for. Simple, I wanted my speaker issue resolved. Nothing more, nothing less. Never wanted money or anything, as my vehicle is under warranty.
 
lets just say in your state you have laws that allow you to record, they can turn around and sue you for slander. they may not have a case but they have deeper pockets than you and they can ruin your life. is it right? hell no, but that is how companies continue to grow and steal from us.

minimum thing I would do first is contact an attorney to know your rights so they cannot bully you. personally I would like to see you nail their balls to the wall, but I would hate to see you get screwed for standing up for your rights
 
You definitely have a cooler head than I do. This video would be playing on the 5 o'clock news if it were me.
 
Here's a pic of where my dashcam is.
 

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Being a devil's advocate it completely fine. Let me also mention that I was the floater Service Advisor for a big name dealership I'd go back and forth between the 2 dealerships and helped out a ton of people. I used to also manage a European mechanic shop where I ran the front, as well as performing computer-level diagnostics on BMW, Mercedes, etc. Hence in my signature, that I am also a mobile programmer.




When I spoke to the SM, I informed him that I'd like to talk. He said what resolution was I looking for. Simple, I wanted my speaker issue resolved. Nothing more, nothing less. Never wanted money or anything, as my vehicle is under warranty.

sounds like all is in order. to be honest i wouldn't even mention the video. Speak with he service manager and about the situation on how you feel your concern hasn't been fully corrected. The service manager should be able to correct your concern without any other information needed. If you have worked as a service writer you should know that stuff happens. it shouldn't come to you going "up the chain". customer satisfaction is a huge deal for dealerships. The surveys they send you are worth a lot of money to the dealership and their employees. if you can make sure the manager will duplicate the concern with you.

they should take care of you!
 
i'm going to plays devils advocate. i'm going to preface this by saying that i don't believe that this treatment is right nor would i want this to happen to me. As a customer you should receive nothing but a satisfactory service. I don't know you in a personal level nor am i inferring that you are in the wrong in anyway.

The porter's actions and dialog should be looked into and the appropriate discipline should take place.

I currently work at 2 dealerships and can shed some light on this side of the equation. I will admit to you that this does happen in dealerships. a lot of it depends on a few factors.

1. Can the customer complaint be easily duplicated? if no, there's no reason to continue with repairs unless there is some form of compensation (warranty, customer pay, etc)

2. Did you have coverage for component? Are they looking at this for you for free? Techs are paid based on work performed. techs are not going to get to far into a repair if they are not getting paid. Do three of these a day and you potentially lose out on a lot of money.

3. How was your demeanor towards the dealership employees? treating someone with respect goes a long way. Also being a huge A-hole can get this sort of reaction. not saying that happened or that its right but it happens.

my opinion, if you don't like the treatment you received there, don't go back. yes, the adviser shouldn't have make up a story about pulling the door panel and tightening everything. if the dealer wants to make it right, they will. They should! They will most like offer to pull door panel and investigate further. sounds like you may have just had it in a quick lube bay (lube tech is hourly and not qualified, nor do they usually care) and that the adviser came out and tried to duplicate it. unable to duplicate it he decided to give it back to you. in all actuality, it should have gone back to the tech that performed the work as a "comeback" where they should do the due diligence to pull the panel and at least look at all components. No real legality concerns really happened. nothing was stolen, wrecked or manipulated. I don't see monetary compensation like some other posts have mention. the dealer needs to regain your trust. hopefully they work with you and you get the results you are looking for. The dealer is usually the best place to take and service your vehicle. Techs are specialized, trained, and know the product the best.

The last thing I would expect is for someone to discard my "complaint" because they are too lazy to investigate the issue. I wish I could quit doing research at work when I am stumped. My life would be a simpler.
I could work there with no training if the problems were falling into my lap.
These techs are alleged specialists, hence the reason they are factory trained. Not every problem is easily replicated. If the tech is stumped perhaps they should seek additional guidance from where ever it is needed and not show their ignorance by complaining about the customer.
 
Being a devil's advocate it completely fine. Let me also mention that I was the floater Service Advisor for a big name dealership I'd go back and forth between the 2 dealerships and helped out a ton of people. I used to also manage a European mechanic shop where I ran the front, as well as performing computer-level diagnostics on BMW, Mercedes, etc. Hence in my signature, that I am also a mobile programmer.






sounds like all is in order. to be honest i wouldn't even mention the video. Speak with he service manager and about the situation on how you feel your concern hasn't been fully corrected. The service manager should be able to correct your concern without any other information needed. If you have worked as a service writer you should know that stuff happens. it shouldn't come to you going "up the chain". customer satisfaction is a huge deal for dealerships. The surveys they send you are worth a lot of money to the dealership and their employees. if you can make sure the manager will duplicate the concern with you.

they should take care of you!

Take care of him?! They mocked and talked shit about the guy, all without fixing or even looking at the issue... I wouldn't let them service my vehicle ever.
 
The last thing I would expect is for someone to discard my "complaint" because they are too lazy to investigate the issue. I wish I could quit doing research at work when I am stumped. My life would be a simpler.
I could work there with no training if the problems were falling into my lap.
These techs are alleged specialists, hence the reason they are factory trained. Not every problem is easily replicated. If the tech is stumped perhaps they should seek additional guidance from where ever it is needed and not show their ignorance by complaining about the customer.

Techs are not paid hourly. they are paid per job (flag time). so if you spend 3 hours on a repair that only pays you 1, you have now missed out on 2 hours of pay.

imagine being paid 3 hours for an 8 hour work day. cant really live on that.

i know that's extreme but it happens.

again it should go back to the same tech who originally installed it as a comeback. they have already been paid for the job and either need to complete it if they missed something or potentially there is another issue that they be paid by the manufacturer for.
 
Techs are not paid hourly. they are paid per job (flag time). so if you spend 3 hours on a repair that only pays you 1, you have now missed out on 2 hours of pay.

imagine being paid 3 hours for an 8 hour work day. cant really live on that.

i know that's extreme but it happens.

again it should go back to the same tech who originally installed it as a comeback. they have already been paid for the job and either need to complete it if they missed something or potentially there is another issue that they be paid by the manufacturer for.

So I just looked at my paperwork for when I had the speaker replaced. The tech that replaced the speaker is also the tech that "looked" at my issue a few days ago.
 
So everyone posting here about the legal ramifications of wiretapping / consent to recording etc.. Does that really matter here since this is not a legal matter yet?
 
So I just looked at my paperwork for when I had the speaker replaced. The tech that replaced the speaker is also the tech that "looked" at my issue a few days ago.

Yea, that's a problem.

In my honest opinion. if you are not comfortable with that dealer, don't go back. Is you warranty factory, dealership extended warranty, 3rd party warranty? if you have factory coverage, take it to another Toyota. let them know the situation and that it hasn't been corrected and let them make the repair. I'd even go as far to call ahead and speak with the service manager of the new facility about your concern and see if he wants to earn your business. management loves opportunities to shine and earn new business.

(this part would be up to you.) if you would like to inform the original repairing dealer of what actions took place in order for them to correct it for future customers. Awesome! but ultimately not really worth the time & effort.

I would stay away from legal actions. too much time and effort for what it's worth.
 
Yea, that's a problem.

In my honest opinion. if you are not comfortable with that dealer, don't go back. Is you warranty factory, dealership extended warranty, 3rd party warranty? if you have factory coverage, take it to another Toyota. let them know the situation and that it hasn't been corrected and let them make the repair. I'd even go as far to call ahead and speak with the service manager of the new facility about your concern and see if he wants to earn your business. management loves opportunities to shine and earn new business.

(this part would be up to you.) if you would like to inform the original repairing dealer of what actions took place in order for them to correct it for future customers. Awesome! but ultimately not really worth the time & effort.

I would stay away from legal actions. too much time and effort for what it's worth.


When did he ever mention taking any legal actions?
 
I am not surprised, not even a little. When my Toyota service Rep asked if I wanted to extend my service plan, all I could do was laugh.
 
When did he ever mention taking any legal actions?

OP i guess never did but all the comments are suggesting that such an action may take place if bringing up the video.

All i'm trying to say is that it doesn't need to be a huge ordeal. All the OP wants is to have his concern corrected. All it takes is a simple conversation with the Service Manager.
 
So everyone posting here about the legal ramifications of wiretapping / consent to recording etc.. Does that really matter here since this is not a legal matter yet?

A crime is a crime whether reported or not. And yes, illegal wiretapping is a crime. The dealership or a tech could report it to the police. Recording audio without one party consent is illegal in op's state. If he gives them the file, they have proof. And I am sure the techs had no idea their audio was being recorded.
 

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