What the heck is up with my computer and gas gauge?

knightsfs4

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So my gas light goes on and the gauge is on empty. The Range on the computer says 0. I fill up and it only takes 19 gallons. Am I missing something here? I think I may have a problem. Anyone have any experience with this?

Jack
 
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Are you sure about that? Why would Toyota, or any company, leave reserve fuel and not let you know how much of that "reserve" fuel is left?
 
Are you sure about that? Why would Toyota, or any company, leave reserve fuel and not let you know how much of that "reserve" fuel is left?

If you read your Owner's Manual you will see Toyota specifically states they do not reccomend you run the vehicle below 1/4 of a tank.

I'll dig up a post I made in regards to the trip computer...
 
I was digging through the TIS Network and for the life of me I can't find any bloody information on what the fuel economy display is using for a reference.

So I went through the literature and owner' manual, Toyota does not want you to run your vehicle below 1/4 of a tank. There is no real literature on when the Empty light turns on but some calcuations and playing with the numbers revealed to me some interesting points.

-The Fuel Economy reading reaches Zero when the light turns on.
-Toyota does not want the vehicle to run below 1/4 of a tank
-The Fuel Economy reading is almost always innacurate with no option to calibrate it
-Our fuel tanks are 23 gallons

The last one is a vey important detail.

The truth is that the Fuel Economy reading is accurate, as is your hand calculations; to a degree. Here's why:

Lets say you fill up the gas tank about 20 gallons and then start driving, your display will reset and probably read roughly 300-ish miles until empty. Lets also assume that your current and future MPG will be 14.0mpg. So here's how the numbers break down...

14*23=322
14*20=280

But your display will never show you 322mi until empty, infact it will show something closer to 308.

14*22=308

Now here's the tricky part, your FER (I am getting tired of writing it out...) is going to drop drastically in the first couple dozen miles as the computer adjusts to what your mileage reading is. So now your gas tank is empty and you need to fill up again, hit up the gas station and pop in another 21 gallons into the tank, pull out your cellphone and jot down the numbers. (We'll just say 310miles)

310/21=14.8

But you check your nifty FER and it says a solid 14.0!? The reason behind this is simple, your FER stopped counting after 266miles. Now where did I get 266 from? Its what the FER uses as its standard for calculating gas mileage. Remember how I said Toyota said they do not want you to run under 1/4 of a tank? They meant it and designed the information system to reflect that.

266/14=19

19/23=83%

Toyota designed the fuel system to turn the "Fuel Empty" light at roughly 19 gallons of fuel spent. Giving you a roughly 8% margin over their reccomended 75% of fuel to be used. Since they don't want you to run the vehicle below their 19 gallon limit, the fuel mileage computer stops counting after 19 because as Toyota designed it, it is not supposed to be driven past 19 gallons of fuel devoured.

Basically all in all, if you want your fuel mileage computer to match your hand calculations, refill your gas tank before the little orange light comes on. Simple as that, if I find anymore information or work arounds to calibrate it, I'll let you guys know.

PS- For those of you who are really stingy about your numbers, I would assume that the correct number is in fact 72Liters or 19.0204 gallons. Honestly though its close enough IMO to not be needed.
 
Are you sure about that? Why would Toyota, or any company, leave reserve fuel and not let you know how much of that "reserve" fuel is left?

They all do it. I put about 1300 miles on 4 different rental cars every month. All of them leave some reserve. You can usually squeeze another 20 miles out of cars. I do know that my v8 4Runner is less forgiving and the trip computer is likely to be the most useless trip computer ever put in a vehicle.
 
25% ( that's the same as one fourth * 1/4 * ) of 23 gallons
is 5.75 gallons

75% of 23 gallons is 17.25 gallons

where's this 19 (8% margin) coming from ?

never mind, I figure there's a couple reasons to not run the tank too low:
1 - off road rough road - slosh can starve the pump in the tank
2 - hot day, the normal recirc of the unused, pressurized, fuel from hot engine back to the tank heats it up stressing the pump
(actually it is common for poor performance only on extra hot days to indicate impending fuel pump failure, especially if a fill up cures the problem for a while)
 
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I think they did that 8% margin because they still want you to not run the vehile to "E" and the gauge would read 3/4 full when it really is 3/4 full.

I am just taking a shot in the dark... I don't have any actual information on the computer that deals with those calculations, this is all empirical.
 
Very true, almost all fuel pumps in modern vehicles are IN-Tank fuel pumps that get their cooling and lubrication from the fuel itself.
 
I fill up mine before the light comes on and it easily takes 20 gallons, sometimes a little more. The gauge is usually around 1/8th of a tank when I fill up.
 
Guess mine is not like what the manual says. I fill up with the needle just barely above the "E" and it takes 19.?? gallons. The light comes on at or just above 20 miles left per the computer. Most all vehicles have the light come on with a 20-30 mile reserve before running out of gas. I don't usually let it get quite that low, but I have done it a couple times so I know exactly what is going on and how much fuel I have. I believe the computer will say zero before you actually run out and the gauge will read Empty when there is still a couple gallons left in order to help protect the fuel pump.
 
There is a thread around here, others have gotten 30, even 40 when the computer range hits zero.

About every manufacturer lists their fuel capacity as the total and dry capacity of the few tank, including the reserve tank. The reserve tank usually varies between 3-5 gallons after the fuel light comes on. They have the reserve tank cause procrastinators are out there.
 

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