'03 Hill-Start major malfunction!

the way i look at it...

regardless if it works or not is dependent on who uses it.

if you use your 4runner on the trails alot, then these features are important. but if you bought the 4runner to use it as a grocery vehicle, then these features are pretty much useless...

so the bottom line is, if you know you won't be using it, then i think it's not worth bitching about....

:)
 
Well, I hate to jump into a war here, but just wanted to say that I don't think everyone is getting the idea of what hammersmith is saying. I played with mine a little bit, and I know it allows you to roll backwards. I couldn't care less about that. HOWEVER, if I had problems accelerating on an incline after initiating HAC, I would be pissed. And I'm pretty sure that's what's he's saying. After releasing the brake, and pressing the gas, his won't accelerate forward due to the traction control (or VSC) being engaged simultaneously with HAC. Makes sense to me, and I would DEFINITELY say that's a problem.
 
jjcobra99 said:
HOWEVER, if I had problems accelerating on an incline after initiating HAC, I would be pissed. And I'm pretty sure that's what's he's saying. After releasing the brake, and pressing the gas, his won't accelerate forward due to the traction control (or VSC) being engaged simultaneously with HAC. Makes sense to me, and I would DEFINITELY say that's a problem.
That's why I was careful to state that I didn't have a problem accelerating while rolling back.
 
JHarris, no offense intended. I know some people understood. There just seemed to be a misconception that the actual problem was that HAC didn't completely stop him from rolling backwards.
 
Holy Crap

This is a long thread!!! I got a headache halfway through page 2!

I think the point that needs to be made (and forgive me if someone has and I didn't read it b/c of the pain in my head :D ) is it's call Hill ASSIST for a reason, not Hill BRAKES.

The system is there to slow a roll as you're transistioning from brake to gas on an incline, not hold the vehicle there b/c your not on either pedal. It slows a roll waiting for you to ease into the gas or back on the brake. ABS blinks as you roll because it's pulsing the brakes. If you pop the gas a little too much, with all that torque, the tires will spin and the traction control (light) comes on. The ladder system is VERY conservative in my opinion, and is too sensitive and activates way too fast. I even commented on it in my Toyota survey.

Sidebar: In some cases I think it dangerous; with all the sand on the ground, accelerating into traffic can be slippery and dangerous. The traction control kicks on but stays on too long and reduces my power while I'm trying to merge. Not good. I found easing into the throttle when this happens deactivates the system quicker allowing me to get back into the throttle.

That video does show a slight roll before the gas is hit proving it. Besides it a dumb animation not a real video.

I have a steep grade right outside work and I tried this system the first day I got it. Aside from the ABS clanking and the slow in roll, the system did what I expected. It slowed me from rolling to quickly backward while I went from brake to gas.

Seriously though, why would you be off both pedals for a length of time where you thought the roll you felt was dangerous? The system is assiting you. You're still the driver. So drive.

:)
 
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Neech said:
If you pop the gas a little too much, with all that torque, the tires will spin and the traction control (light) comes on. The ladder system is VERY conservative in my opinion is too sensitive and activates was too fast. I even commented on it in my Toyota survey.

JJCobra, i think Neech DID address Hammersmith's concern. Please see above quote from Neech.

In addition, please re-read Hammersmith original posts. There were TWO problems he had with his 4Runner: HAC not holding his 4runner AND 4runner having trouble moving forward.

No, JJcobra, i think everyone here understood Hammersmith LOUD AND CLEAR.

Thanks.
 
ok i just read this hole damn thing and now my head hurts. I test drove two 4runners from local dealers and both of the HAC's worked on both of them. It also works on my limited 03 4runner. This is the first time ive ever heard of this problem. I would go back to the dealer and tell them to fix the damn thing or give your money back. possible try a different dealer cause the one that isnt fixing it seems like a bunch of scumbags and morons. Keep us posted.

Good times your everywhere u suck !!!!:50cal:



:p
 
yeah it's sad huh? hehe :eek:

well looks like you're our audio guy here for the new 03's..

guess i'm the only offroad guy for the new 03's... so we'll both serve our community well :)

too bad you're in the east coast and i'm in the west coast!!
 

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