'04 X-REAS Lift?
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4route
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Yes, that lift will work, as well as the 3" Revtek kit. 
Talk to Mark or me if you have questions about the lift.
Just be sure whatever kit you get is for 2003/2004 4Runner ... and stick to Daystar or Revtek (as I do not know of any other reputable brands of spacer lift).
Basically, the lifts that WILL NOT work on xreas are ones that involve coil overs, or anything that would require replacing shocks. This limits us to lifting with spacer technology -- which is still pretty nice.
Mark is running the 3" Revtek kit ... and I am running the 3" Revtek along with a 3/4" NE spacer (which gives about 4" in front total).
Talk to Mark or me if you have questions about the lift.Just be sure whatever kit you get is for 2003/2004 4Runner ... and stick to Daystar or Revtek (as I do not know of any other reputable brands of spacer lift).
Basically, the lifts that WILL NOT work on xreas are ones that involve coil overs, or anything that would require replacing shocks. This limits us to lifting with spacer technology -- which is still pretty nice.
Mark is running the 3" Revtek kit ... and I am running the 3" Revtek along with a 3/4" NE spacer (which gives about 4" in front total).
4route
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BIFF! I totally forgot that you were over here as well or I'd have mentioned that you were running the lift too!!!!
Correction:
Biff = 2.5" Daystar
Bulldog_yota = 2.5" Daystar
Mark = 3" Revtek
Me = 3" Revtek (+ NE 3/4")
GoodTimes = a combo of things
Fourunnabilly = a combo of things
and I am sure there are others that I don't mean to forget (promise) ... but that list will at least get you started if you want to contact any of them/us.
Correction:
Biff = 2.5" Daystar
Bulldog_yota = 2.5" Daystar
Mark = 3" Revtek
Me = 3" Revtek (+ NE 3/4")
GoodTimes = a combo of things
Fourunnabilly = a combo of things
and I am sure there are others that I don't mean to forget (promise) ... but that list will at least get you started if you want to contact any of them/us.
Vortec4800
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Awesome, I think I'll go with that kit - seems like a good price. Anybody know how a 2.5" lift will look on the stock rims and tires? I'd like to get some bigger 31" - 32" tires on there to fill up the well a bit more, but funding doesn't allow for that quite yet. Anybody have that setup with pictures?
RapidRunner
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After seeing the pix, I've just got to have the Revtek for my '04 Sport. I've read through the threads here and on Yotatech.
I don't really have the adequate garage space, tools or even really desire to do it myself, so I'll probably have the local 4-wheel drive shop do it. I've talked to them (only one in town -- Rapid City) and they haven't done any 4th gens, but I still think they could probably do a better job than me.
The thing is, the Revtek site says the kit's only for the non-XREAS application. I couldn't see a kit listed for the Sport. Is it the same kit, and you just don't use the shocks?
Advice highly appreciated!
I don't really have the adequate garage space, tools or even really desire to do it myself, so I'll probably have the local 4-wheel drive shop do it. I've talked to them (only one in town -- Rapid City) and they haven't done any 4th gens, but I still think they could probably do a better job than me.
The thing is, the Revtek site says the kit's only for the non-XREAS application. I couldn't see a kit listed for the Sport. Is it the same kit, and you just don't use the shocks?
Advice highly appreciated!
4route
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Yes, the 3" Revtek kit for the 03-04 Runners is the right one (even though it says you can't use it with xreas -- they just say that because they haven't had the chance to test it out enough along with the xreas system).
You are correct, you'll just have to order the kit and not use the extra shocks. I still have mine sitting on the fireplace.
As far as installation, I would really recommend that you try to find some buddies who have the tools/space as opposed to having a shop install it. If the shop has had no experience with 4th gens, then that is dangerous enough ... but the fact that they would have to be working carefully around the xreas system without any prior experience is going to be a scary scary thing with a big chance of things getting damaged.
I did the installation myself without much prior experience, and with some normal hand tools and my own little tiny duplex two car garage. I have a write-up here which you can check out:
http://box.ixolo.com/revtek.html
Anyway ... just be very very careful with who you have install it. I would recommend sooo much that you do it yourself for safety reasons (for your truck and the xreas system because if you break even one part on that system, the whole system is shot and costs beaucoup $$ to replace), as well as for monitary reasons because a shop is going to charge you a lot for the installation, and it will likely take them an even longer time to do the installation if they have not worked around xreas before (since it requires that you work on the shock and compress the spring while still attached to the xreas lines).
If you go to http://wheelersoffroad.com you can find the 3" Revtek kit there ... and when I was searching online for the lowest price, that was it. Also, Gary at wheelers is a great guy and I got the kit about 2 days after I ordered it!!
I hope this helps some!
I should also let you know that Billy (fourunnabilly) here and at yotatech has a company, Nitrous Enterprises, which is working on a complete 3-3.5" suspension kit that can be ordered with spacers, coils, or both...whatever you want. And, they can fabricate anything regarding these parts.
So, you might get in touch with him and see what he has to say about his kits. (I am running his 3/4" top spacer along with the revtek kit -- that gave me 4.5" in the front which will settle to ~4" ... still 1" over the Revtek kit alone ... and I can personally say that with my experience with his products, he makes some awesome things. His top spacers were of better quality than Revtek's top spacer!!!)
Anyway, good luck, and keep us updated!
You are correct, you'll just have to order the kit and not use the extra shocks. I still have mine sitting on the fireplace.
As far as installation, I would really recommend that you try to find some buddies who have the tools/space as opposed to having a shop install it. If the shop has had no experience with 4th gens, then that is dangerous enough ... but the fact that they would have to be working carefully around the xreas system without any prior experience is going to be a scary scary thing with a big chance of things getting damaged.
I did the installation myself without much prior experience, and with some normal hand tools and my own little tiny duplex two car garage. I have a write-up here which you can check out:
http://box.ixolo.com/revtek.html
Anyway ... just be very very careful with who you have install it. I would recommend sooo much that you do it yourself for safety reasons (for your truck and the xreas system because if you break even one part on that system, the whole system is shot and costs beaucoup $$ to replace), as well as for monitary reasons because a shop is going to charge you a lot for the installation, and it will likely take them an even longer time to do the installation if they have not worked around xreas before (since it requires that you work on the shock and compress the spring while still attached to the xreas lines).
If you go to http://wheelersoffroad.com you can find the 3" Revtek kit there ... and when I was searching online for the lowest price, that was it. Also, Gary at wheelers is a great guy and I got the kit about 2 days after I ordered it!!
I hope this helps some!
I should also let you know that Billy (fourunnabilly) here and at yotatech has a company, Nitrous Enterprises, which is working on a complete 3-3.5" suspension kit that can be ordered with spacers, coils, or both...whatever you want. And, they can fabricate anything regarding these parts.
So, you might get in touch with him and see what he has to say about his kits. (I am running his 3/4" top spacer along with the revtek kit -- that gave me 4.5" in the front which will settle to ~4" ... still 1" over the Revtek kit alone ... and I can personally say that with my experience with his products, he makes some awesome things. His top spacers were of better quality than Revtek's top spacer!!!)
Anyway, good luck, and keep us updated!
Biff
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Listen to 4route, she was one of the first to have the guts to try this on an XREAS rig by herself. If it wasn't for her I wouldn't have tried the install myself on my own rig. The local shop was going to chg me $600 for the install. I took a chance and did the install myself bought $200 worth of tools and kept them. If I were you I would find a way to the install yourself. I wouldn't trust a $1200 pieice of equipment, thats how much a new XREAS system cost to anyone but myself.
live4swell
Member
4route:
how much were the 3/4" NE spacers? and are they in the front and rear? Thanks
Brian
how much were the 3/4" NE spacers? and are they in the front and rear? Thanks
Brian
RapidRunner
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4route:
You rock! I'm really impressed that you took the time to put the write-up together for the benefit of future generations...
I'd actually read through it already, before posting my question. It's a great. Maybe I gather up enough courage, tools and a friend to try it out myself, but I just don't know...
Biff:
Don't you think if the shop charges me $400 and then screws up the XREAS that they're resposible?
I don't like flushing money down the toilet, but geez, for 4 or 5 hundred bucks I'd happily let someone else do it if they did it right and/or took responsibility for their mistakes.
Surely, at some point, there will be some XREAS compatible upgrades. E.G. longer shocks that "talk" to the system?
Does anyone know a shop in the Denver area with experience enough to handle this project? I get down there now and then and would be willing to get it done when I was there -- assuming I don't find enough courage.
Just to give you an idea of what a wimp I am, I had the dealer install my TRD exhaust -- granted, I'm pretty sure I could handle that one (my friends and I did top-end rebuilds when we were in high school), but you know, if the dealer installs it, warranty issues are all covered...
'Bout the only thing I've done myself are put in XM (temporary, waiting for a JBL compatible replacement unit) and the ashtray mod!
Thanks again.
You rock! I'm really impressed that you took the time to put the write-up together for the benefit of future generations...
I'd actually read through it already, before posting my question. It's a great. Maybe I gather up enough courage, tools and a friend to try it out myself, but I just don't know...
Biff:
Don't you think if the shop charges me $400 and then screws up the XREAS that they're resposible?
I don't like flushing money down the toilet, but geez, for 4 or 5 hundred bucks I'd happily let someone else do it if they did it right and/or took responsibility for their mistakes.
Surely, at some point, there will be some XREAS compatible upgrades. E.G. longer shocks that "talk" to the system?
Does anyone know a shop in the Denver area with experience enough to handle this project? I get down there now and then and would be willing to get it done when I was there -- assuming I don't find enough courage.
Just to give you an idea of what a wimp I am, I had the dealer install my TRD exhaust -- granted, I'm pretty sure I could handle that one (my friends and I did top-end rebuilds when we were in high school), but you know, if the dealer installs it, warranty issues are all covered...
'Bout the only thing I've done myself are put in XM (temporary, waiting for a JBL compatible replacement unit) and the ashtray mod!
Thanks again.
Vortec4800
New member
The XREAS system is passive, and its not computer controlled - so shocks that talk to you wouldn't really do much good. 
If the lift manufacturers started making XREAS lift kits, they would just need to make XREAS-style shocks that are linked hydrolically. I would imagine this would be very, very expensive and would probably be less of a headache if you just removed the XREAS alltogether and went with ordinary shocks for a huge lift.
If the lift manufacturers started making XREAS lift kits, they would just need to make XREAS-style shocks that are linked hydrolically. I would imagine this would be very, very expensive and would probably be less of a headache if you just removed the XREAS alltogether and went with ordinary shocks for a huge lift.
4route
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lives4swell:
the 3/4" NE spacers are just for the front, and basically, you use them instead of the top Revtek spacer. It gives you more room in the wheel well for bigger tires, and evens the truck out so that the rear sits only .5" higher (whereas with the revtek alone, the front was still noticeably nose-down). they cost $100 - which includes the two steel spacers, and shipping. just talk to fourunnabilly and he'll take care of you.
the rest of yousssss :
Please, if you are considering lifting your xreas'd truck, do NOT ditch the xreas ... even with the lift I have lost NONE of the xreas functionability. As for going for a "huge lift" as Vortec suggested, what's the point? Going any higher than 4" is going to tear up the CVs.
You do not need to worry about longer shocks with the Revtek lift because it lifts the rear only 2.5" as opposed to the front which gets lifted 3". If you are really really patient, then you can wait a little while until Billy's company gets his kit out. As previously stated, it will be comprised of spacers, coils, or both, and will be 3-3.5" ... along with that, he is making some different brackets for the bottom mount of the rear shocks so that you can add the lift, then relocate the shock mount easily with a bracket so you don't have to worry about destroying the shocks at full extension, nor will you need to worry about finding a way to replace the stock shocks with longer ones without destroying the xreas.
All in all, I would watch him carefully, and PM him to let him know what you're considering, he'll help you out and take good care of you. He has a 4th gen. also, and although his does not have xreas, mine does, and we've been working to find some solutions for both the xreas'd truck and non-xreas'd.
pm him -- fourunnabilly
I'm pretty sure that if you have a shop install the Revtek kit, they will not take responsibility for ruining your xreas system. Really, this is an install you can do yourselves ... I did it alone (and I mean ALONE!) with HAND TOOLS because I'm poor. If you had an air ratchet and/or other air tools, you'd be done in half the time, especially if you had use of an air tool for the spring compressors. Otherwise, prepare to have Hulk-size forearms.
Also, if you end up doing this yourself, there are plenty of us who would be more than happy to give you our phone numbers so that you could call if you had any problems.
the 3/4" NE spacers are just for the front, and basically, you use them instead of the top Revtek spacer. It gives you more room in the wheel well for bigger tires, and evens the truck out so that the rear sits only .5" higher (whereas with the revtek alone, the front was still noticeably nose-down). they cost $100 - which includes the two steel spacers, and shipping. just talk to fourunnabilly and he'll take care of you.
the rest of yousssss :
Please, if you are considering lifting your xreas'd truck, do NOT ditch the xreas ... even with the lift I have lost NONE of the xreas functionability. As for going for a "huge lift" as Vortec suggested, what's the point? Going any higher than 4" is going to tear up the CVs.
You do not need to worry about longer shocks with the Revtek lift because it lifts the rear only 2.5" as opposed to the front which gets lifted 3". If you are really really patient, then you can wait a little while until Billy's company gets his kit out. As previously stated, it will be comprised of spacers, coils, or both, and will be 3-3.5" ... along with that, he is making some different brackets for the bottom mount of the rear shocks so that you can add the lift, then relocate the shock mount easily with a bracket so you don't have to worry about destroying the shocks at full extension, nor will you need to worry about finding a way to replace the stock shocks with longer ones without destroying the xreas.
All in all, I would watch him carefully, and PM him to let him know what you're considering, he'll help you out and take good care of you. He has a 4th gen. also, and although his does not have xreas, mine does, and we've been working to find some solutions for both the xreas'd truck and non-xreas'd.
pm him -- fourunnabilly
I'm pretty sure that if you have a shop install the Revtek kit, they will not take responsibility for ruining your xreas system. Really, this is an install you can do yourselves ... I did it alone (and I mean ALONE!) with HAND TOOLS because I'm poor. If you had an air ratchet and/or other air tools, you'd be done in half the time, especially if you had use of an air tool for the spring compressors. Otherwise, prepare to have Hulk-size forearms.
Also, if you end up doing this yourself, there are plenty of us who would be more than happy to give you our phone numbers so that you could call if you had any problems.
04, XREAS Revtec Lift
Gentlemen:
I just sold a 1985 4Runner for $5,000 that I had purchased new. It was lifted and modified and still in cherry condition. I purchased an 04 4Runner Sport V8 that came with the XREAS this last January to replace my old 4Runner. My first thought was that it needs a lift. So, I sent an e-mail to Randy at Revtec who told me that the 431 4Runner kit WILL NOT WORK with the XREAS system. The reason was obvious, in that there is not enough travel in the stock XREAS shocks to accomodate the lift. I have read this thread and feel that the people that have lifted their vehicles with this lift kit, and disgarded the shocks that came with the kit will be in for a big surprise once they submit the vehicle to true off road conditions. I can't wait to lift my truck, but I will not comprimise safety to do it! If the purpose to add this kit is to accomodate larger tires, it would probably work. But any true off roader wants more travel, not less. I believe there is an important reason that Revtec says this kit does not work with XREAS...liability lawsuits. So basically, they will not cover any claims AND you will have voided your factory warranty. I will wait for a kit that was designed to work with the XREAS. I will appreciate your comments.
Gentlemen:
I just sold a 1985 4Runner for $5,000 that I had purchased new. It was lifted and modified and still in cherry condition. I purchased an 04 4Runner Sport V8 that came with the XREAS this last January to replace my old 4Runner. My first thought was that it needs a lift. So, I sent an e-mail to Randy at Revtec who told me that the 431 4Runner kit WILL NOT WORK with the XREAS system. The reason was obvious, in that there is not enough travel in the stock XREAS shocks to accomodate the lift. I have read this thread and feel that the people that have lifted their vehicles with this lift kit, and disgarded the shocks that came with the kit will be in for a big surprise once they submit the vehicle to true off road conditions. I can't wait to lift my truck, but I will not comprimise safety to do it! If the purpose to add this kit is to accomodate larger tires, it would probably work. But any true off roader wants more travel, not less. I believe there is an important reason that Revtec says this kit does not work with XREAS...liability lawsuits. So basically, they will not cover any claims AND you will have voided your factory warranty. I will wait for a kit that was designed to work with the XREAS. I will appreciate your comments.
Vortec4800
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Re: 04, XREAS Revtec Lift
He does bring up an interesting point, will adding a lift kit (especially one not "designed" for the XREAS make Toyota give me the finger if I bring it in for warranty service? Does anybody know exactly what does and does not void the Toyota warranty?
Run4Fun said:
He does bring up an interesting point, will adding a lift kit (especially one not "designed" for the XREAS make Toyota give me the finger if I bring it in for warranty service? Does anybody know exactly what does and does not void the Toyota warranty?
