2001 4Runner won't start

4runnerKC

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I have a 2001 4Runner that hasn't been driven much, I usually try to periodically start it to keep a charge but over the winter it sat a while and the battery died. I decided to grab some jumper cables and see if I could get it started without doing a full charge with my trickle charger. Unfortunately when I was doing this I was preoccupied by something else and I crossed the positive and negative leads on the battery (yes, completely dumb, I'm well aware :fish: ) it sparked and I quickly realized my mistake. I went ahead and pulled the battery for a charge in the garage.

When I reinstalled the battery a couple days later after a full charge, the vehicle would not start...nothing happened when I turned the key. I didn't think much of it at first, because the freaking security system on this thing is wonky and it's not uncommon for me to have to screw with it a bit after the battery drains (or I lock the door with the fob and open with the key and it sets it off, blah blah). When I reconnected the battery, the horn chirped lightly about once per second and the red light to the left of the steering column was flashing. Normally it'd be the much louder "full on horn blasting" where I could override it by turning the key in the door clockwise twice, etc. Instead it was just a repetitive chirp.

After getting nowhere with the "security system resets" it dawned on me maybe it was related to the starter cable crossing polarity several days earlier. I checked some fuses and three were blown - namely, the ignition fuse, but there were a couple others related to accessories that I don't specifically recall. I checked both the interior fuse box and the engine fuse box. I couldn't find any blown relays, but I replaced all the fuses that were blown. When I turn the key in the ignition, nothing happens. No dash lights, no odometer, the engine doesn't try to turn over and fail to start, nothing. After doing some research about my "screw up", I wanted to remove a fried ECU from the equation so I ordered the correct replacement part from ebay, supposedly pulled from a running vehicle. Nothing changed or acted differently once I swapped the ECU out.

I can unlock and lock the car with the keyless remote, I can roll the rear window down with the fob, power doors work, etc. It's just like fact nothing happens when I turn the key. I tried unplugging the alarm system brain (black square box behind the kick panel near the driver's left foot, as I saw that as a suggestion to bypass the security system...maybe that doesn't actually work, I don't know) and while the horn doesn't "chirp" anymore, everything else is the same.

So right now I replaced 3 blown fuses, only 1 of which seemed possibly related to the vehicle starting (ignition), bought a new ECU and tested with it, tried bypassing the security system, and nothing is different. I understand there's a fusible link for the starter which I have not checked, but the fact nothing at all happens when I turn the ignition to "on" and there's no engine related dash lights/odometer, it seems to me like we're not even to the point of trying to supply the starter with voltage when I turn the key over. I took the battery to the auto parts store for a test and it checked out good, so that can be ruled out as well.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Did you check the really big fuses--the 100A ALT, 40A AM1 and 30A AM2? It is not uncommon to blow one or more of those when crossing jumper polarity. I can pretty much guarantee you blew at least one.
 
Did you check the really big fuses--the 100A ALT, 40A AM1 and 30A AM2? It is not uncommon to blow one or more of those when crossing jumper polarity. I can pretty much guarantee you blew at least one.

I did but perhaps I overlooked a blown one.
 
Check the wiring from batt to fuse box too, I did the same about 20 years ago to my ex'es Dodge Aries and it turned out along with the fuses, a small portion of wiring between the batt and fuse box had also melted...or was it the wire from alternator to the battery... For what it's worth...
 
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Check the wiring from batt to fuse box too, I did the same about 20 years ago to my ex'es Dodge Aries and it turned out along with the fuses, a small portion of wiring between the batt and fuse box had also melted...or was it the wire from alternator to the battery... For what it's worth...


Good idea, thanks. The fact all the accessories work make me think it's something small, as opposed to a debilitating issue that would cut power the everything. From my research a separate control module handles the "body" stuff, which is why I figured spending $60 to replace the engine control unit a reasonable step. My gut tells me it's something with that damn security system. The times I've had issues with it in the past the dash was also unresponsive....however the various "reset" or "override" tips always worked on that eventually.
 
I agree with The Durk, check the main fuses. I did it once on my Acura TL and it blew one of the main fuses.

It wouldn't hurt to check all of the grounds either..
 
I agree with The Durk, check the main fuses. I did it once on my Acura TL and it blew one of the main fuses.

It wouldn't hurt to check all of the grounds either..

Well I went out and checked again....sure enough, the 120 amp alternator fuse is quite obviously blown....I don't know if I somehow overlooked that initially or it occurred from something after the fact but I'm attempting to remove it now...total pita to work with this fuse box.

Fingers crossed.
 
I was much more successful trying to separate the fusebox halves today and got the alternator fuse replaced in about 15 minutes. As soon as I hooked everything back up and connected the battery, she started right up! I was kind of disappointed to see how difficult the fuse box was to access, everything else I've touched on this vehicle seems fairly well thought out in such a way that it's easy to do most things in the field with basic tools. But I had to use 4 of those tiny "tech screwdrivers" and jam them in between the fusebox tabs after difficulty with regular sized screwdrivers...that's not something I'd personally be likely to have in a vehicle toolbox.

Since I still had the ECU installed that I purchased from eBay I went ahead and reinstalled the old one, connected the battery, and it started right up again.

Aside from some of the smaller amperage accessory fuses and the alternator fuse, it appears there is no residual damage from my screw up.

Thanks again for the advice to go check the fuses again, I can't believe I missed that one during my initial troubleshooting when it was so visually obvious the fuse was blown.

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