2005 Land Rover LR3
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Land Rover North America today announced U.S. pricing for its all-new SUV, the LR3. The manufacturer's suggested retail price for the SE model will be $44,995, while the HSE model will retail for $49,995. All models will feature Land Rover's innovative Terrain Response™ technology, a powerful 300 hp V8 engine and the Range Rover-inspired, four-corner, cross-linked air suspension, solidifying LR3's outstanding on and-off-road performance.
"The all-new LR3 is the most technologically advanced, boldest, Land Rover ever launched in the history of the company," said Richard Beattie, executive vice president, Land Rover North America. "This premium SUV, with its exceptional versatility and capability, is an excellent value considering the amount of feature, content and innovation Land Rover is bringing to the market."
Available in SE and HSE derivatives, LR3 offers the advantages of a powerful and responsive 300 hp 4.4-liter V8 engine, mated to a six-speed electronic automatic transmission. This transmission is intelligent—adapting its shift patterns to driving style and road conditions—and equipped with Command Shift™, allowing the driver full control over gear changes. Special consideration has been given to ensure the powertrain meets Land Rover's exacting standards for on-and off-road capability.
LR3 sets an impressive benchmark for future Land Rover products with its new platform architecture and numerous technological advancements. The new, Land Rover-developed, Integrated Body-frame™ architecture provides a stable foundation for refined on-road performance, while maintaining the off-road qualities essential to every Land Rover vehicle. Careful design and packaging has kept the overall height of the vehicle down, and has positioned the bulk of the vehicle’s mass as low as possible, further adding to the outstanding on-road dynamics.
LR3's all-new Terrain Response™ system is the latest development in four-wheel drive technology. By optimizing the vehicle's sophisticated systems, Terrain Response™ allows the driver to choose from a variety of terrain settings, thus providing flexible and automatic control of the vehicle in all conditions, both on-and off-road. Not only does this help ensure that operation on a range of surfaces is safe and pleasurable, but it minimizes any environmental impact of off-pavement driving.
The electronically-controlled air suspension system provides increased versatility and comfort. With automatic load-leveling and multiple modes (access, standard and off-road) the suspension allows for a softer spring setting in normal driving conditions, and versatility in others. The Range Rover-inspired cross-linking air springs allow for outstanding off-road performance by maximizing ground contact.
The interior package is among the most versatile and accommodating in its class. The cabin of the LR3 is designed to allow maximum comfort for all passengers- even in the third row. When equipped, the third row of seats is capable of accommodating two 95th percentile adults. In addition, the alpine roof—a driver's sunroof and fixed glass over rows two and three—adds to the feeling of spaciousness throughout the interior.
LR3 is available in eight standard colors: Chawton White, Bonatti Grey, Alveston Red, Java Black, Adriatic Blue, Zambezi Silver, Maya Gold and Tonga Green. All colors currently exist in the Land Rover color palate except for Tonga Green, which has been introduced for the 2005 LR3.
All LR3 models come highly equipped with a list of desirable features and innovative technologies. In addition to the base level of content, the HSE adds a touch-screen, voice-activated navigation system, 600-watt audio system, 19"alloy wheels, Bi-Xenon headlamps and memory seats. Full details of trim specifications will be released closer to launch. Sales for LR3 will commence this fall.
"The all-new LR3 is the most technologically advanced, boldest, Land Rover ever launched in the history of the company," said Richard Beattie, executive vice president, Land Rover North America. "This premium SUV, with its exceptional versatility and capability, is an excellent value considering the amount of feature, content and innovation Land Rover is bringing to the market."
Available in SE and HSE derivatives, LR3 offers the advantages of a powerful and responsive 300 hp 4.4-liter V8 engine, mated to a six-speed electronic automatic transmission. This transmission is intelligent—adapting its shift patterns to driving style and road conditions—and equipped with Command Shift™, allowing the driver full control over gear changes. Special consideration has been given to ensure the powertrain meets Land Rover's exacting standards for on-and off-road capability.
LR3 sets an impressive benchmark for future Land Rover products with its new platform architecture and numerous technological advancements. The new, Land Rover-developed, Integrated Body-frame™ architecture provides a stable foundation for refined on-road performance, while maintaining the off-road qualities essential to every Land Rover vehicle. Careful design and packaging has kept the overall height of the vehicle down, and has positioned the bulk of the vehicle’s mass as low as possible, further adding to the outstanding on-road dynamics.
LR3's all-new Terrain Response™ system is the latest development in four-wheel drive technology. By optimizing the vehicle's sophisticated systems, Terrain Response™ allows the driver to choose from a variety of terrain settings, thus providing flexible and automatic control of the vehicle in all conditions, both on-and off-road. Not only does this help ensure that operation on a range of surfaces is safe and pleasurable, but it minimizes any environmental impact of off-pavement driving.
The electronically-controlled air suspension system provides increased versatility and comfort. With automatic load-leveling and multiple modes (access, standard and off-road) the suspension allows for a softer spring setting in normal driving conditions, and versatility in others. The Range Rover-inspired cross-linking air springs allow for outstanding off-road performance by maximizing ground contact.
The interior package is among the most versatile and accommodating in its class. The cabin of the LR3 is designed to allow maximum comfort for all passengers- even in the third row. When equipped, the third row of seats is capable of accommodating two 95th percentile adults. In addition, the alpine roof—a driver's sunroof and fixed glass over rows two and three—adds to the feeling of spaciousness throughout the interior.
LR3 is available in eight standard colors: Chawton White, Bonatti Grey, Alveston Red, Java Black, Adriatic Blue, Zambezi Silver, Maya Gold and Tonga Green. All colors currently exist in the Land Rover color palate except for Tonga Green, which has been introduced for the 2005 LR3.
All LR3 models come highly equipped with a list of desirable features and innovative technologies. In addition to the base level of content, the HSE adds a touch-screen, voice-activated navigation system, 600-watt audio system, 19"alloy wheels, Bi-Xenon headlamps and memory seats. Full details of trim specifications will be released closer to launch. Sales for LR3 will commence this fall.
Thai
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The All-New Discovery 3
Outstanding breadth of capability matched to distinctive & versatile design
An all-new premium suv, packed with user-friendly technology
Exceptional breadth of capability – dynamic on-road performance and class-leading off-road
Bold and distinctive design that delivers a spacious, versatile and comfortable seven-seat cabin
Production debuts for land rover’s innovative terrain response™ and integrated body-frame™
New engines tailored for land rover, plus six-speed transmissions and air suspension
Land Rover’s all-new Discovery 3 is a technology-packed, premium SUV designed to deliver outstanding performance, both on the road and off-road. The bold, versatile design is distinctively Land Rover and offers exceptional space, comfort and flexibility, for up to seven adults.
“The Discovery 3 is a new generation Land Rover, a vehicle of great conviction that points the way forward for the company,” says managing director Matthew Taylor. “As you would expect from a Land Rover, it is awesome off-road. What may be more surprising to some is its great performance on-road too.
The result is the widest breadth of capability in the class.”
SPACIOUS & COMFORTABLE
Roomier yet externally not much bigger than the outgoing Discovery, the new Discovery 3 features a spacious cabin packed with clever stowage locations, as well as either five or seven comfortable seats. Even the third-row seats in the seven-seat version are roomy enough for 95th percentile adults. All rear seats fold into the floor when not in use, to create a vast, flat load space. According to design director Geoff Upex, the vehicle was designed ‘from the inside out’.
“Our priorities were cabin space, comfort, the Command driving position and elevated ‘stadium seating’ in the rear,” says Upex. “The exterior design is a reflection of those interior priorities. It is very geometric, very minimalist, very modern. Everything is there for a reason. It is pure product design, rather than fancy automotive styling. The best vehicles inevitably are. It is also distinctively Land Rover. You won’t confuse this vehicle with anything else.”
IMPRESSIVE ENGINES, TAILORED FOR LAND ROVER NEEDS
For dynamic on-road performance, the top-of-the-range engine option is a 4.4-litre 295bhp (220kW) petrol V8, derived from Jaguar’s acclaimed AJ-V8 4.2-litre. Developments for Land Rover include increased low-end torque (maximum of 425Nm or 315lb ft), greater weather-proofing – especially against dust and water ingress – and revised breathing for wading in rivers. This is likely to be the most popular engine in the Discovery 3’s biggest market, the USA.
For Europe, the best-selling engine is expected to be the refined and flexible 2.7-litre TDV6 turbodiesel (not available in North America), a high pressure ‘common rail’ unit that uses variable geometry turbocharging. Another version of this new V6 recently made a much-praised debut in the Jaguar S-Type. The Land Rover engine has been extensively developed to suit the Discovery 3 and produces 190bhp (140kW) and a massive 440Nm (325lb ft) of torque. Technical advances include its CGI (compacted graphite iron) block, which is lighter, stiffer and more durable than conventional cast iron.
Selected markets will also take a 4.0-litre 215bhp (160kW) petrol V6 engine that is torquey (360Nm or 265lb ft), smooth and durable. For Discovery 3, it too has been extensively developed to suit Land Rover’s unique requirements.
The petrol engines are mated to a six-speed ‘intelligent shift’ electronically controlled ZF automatic transmission. It offers a ‘sport’ mode which delivers more performance-oriented throttle response and gear shifts, and also features Land Rover’s Command Shift operation – which gives the driver full manual control of gear changing. The TDV6 is available either with this advanced automatic transmission, or with a six-speed ZF manual gearbox.
Drive goes to all four wheels. Electronic Traction Control and Dynamic Stability Control modulate power supply and braking, ensuring maximum grip in all conditions. Throttle response, gear change patterns and suspension settings are also computer controlled, determined by speed and road (or off-road) conditions. Low range is also available, for tough terrain. This can be easily selected, electronically, on the move. The central differential fully locks if conditions require greater traction.
USER-FRIENDLY NEW TECHNOLOGIES
The Discovery 3 bristles with new technologies. Among them is Land Rover’s patented Terrain Response™ system, previewed on the recent Range Stormer concept car. Terrain Response is a major advance that optimises driveability and comfort, as well as maximising traction. The driver simply chooses one of five terrain settings via a chunky rotary dial on the centre console: a general driving program, plus one for slippery conditions (known as grass/gravel/snow) and three special off-road modes, namely mud and ruts, sand, and rock crawl. Terrain Response then automatically selects the most appropriate settings for the vehicle's advanced electronic controls and traction aids.
Vehicle functions controlled by Terrain Response include ride height, engine torque response, Hill Descent Control (which limits downhill speed, and is an award-winning and patented Land Rover technology), Electronic Traction Control, transmission and differential settings. “Terrain Response is a good example of Land Rover’s commitment to offering ‘smart’ technology that aids the driver,” says Matthew Taylor. “It is easy to use. It simplifies rather than complicates driving.”
The Discovery 3 also offers the option of adaptive headlights that swivel with the direction of travel to illuminate the road ahead.
Another innovation is Land Rover’s Integrated Body-frame™, a new type of vehicle architecture that combines the torsional rigidity, car-like handling and refinement of a monocoque (or unitary) body with the strength and versatility of a traditional ladder-frame, as used on many SUVs. Computer-aided design, high-strength steel and a sophisticated hydroforming production technique combine to deliver this new technology. Hydroforming uses high-pressure fluids rather than a press tool to shape the frame, which results in a lighter weight, cleverer shapes and much tighter tolerances.
Handling is further helped by fully independent suspension. Height adjustable air springs, similar to those used on the award-winning Range Rover, will be fitted to the majority of Discovery 3s. Entry-level models use coil springs. Double wishbones are used front and rear, offering good wheel control and articulation. Rack-and-pinion steering delivers precise and intuitive control.
The Discovery 3 goes on sale later in 2004, depending on market.
Outstanding breadth of capability matched to distinctive & versatile design
An all-new premium suv, packed with user-friendly technology
Exceptional breadth of capability – dynamic on-road performance and class-leading off-road
Bold and distinctive design that delivers a spacious, versatile and comfortable seven-seat cabin
Production debuts for land rover’s innovative terrain response™ and integrated body-frame™
New engines tailored for land rover, plus six-speed transmissions and air suspension
Land Rover’s all-new Discovery 3 is a technology-packed, premium SUV designed to deliver outstanding performance, both on the road and off-road. The bold, versatile design is distinctively Land Rover and offers exceptional space, comfort and flexibility, for up to seven adults.
“The Discovery 3 is a new generation Land Rover, a vehicle of great conviction that points the way forward for the company,” says managing director Matthew Taylor. “As you would expect from a Land Rover, it is awesome off-road. What may be more surprising to some is its great performance on-road too.
The result is the widest breadth of capability in the class.”
SPACIOUS & COMFORTABLE
Roomier yet externally not much bigger than the outgoing Discovery, the new Discovery 3 features a spacious cabin packed with clever stowage locations, as well as either five or seven comfortable seats. Even the third-row seats in the seven-seat version are roomy enough for 95th percentile adults. All rear seats fold into the floor when not in use, to create a vast, flat load space. According to design director Geoff Upex, the vehicle was designed ‘from the inside out’.
“Our priorities were cabin space, comfort, the Command driving position and elevated ‘stadium seating’ in the rear,” says Upex. “The exterior design is a reflection of those interior priorities. It is very geometric, very minimalist, very modern. Everything is there for a reason. It is pure product design, rather than fancy automotive styling. The best vehicles inevitably are. It is also distinctively Land Rover. You won’t confuse this vehicle with anything else.”
IMPRESSIVE ENGINES, TAILORED FOR LAND ROVER NEEDS
For dynamic on-road performance, the top-of-the-range engine option is a 4.4-litre 295bhp (220kW) petrol V8, derived from Jaguar’s acclaimed AJ-V8 4.2-litre. Developments for Land Rover include increased low-end torque (maximum of 425Nm or 315lb ft), greater weather-proofing – especially against dust and water ingress – and revised breathing for wading in rivers. This is likely to be the most popular engine in the Discovery 3’s biggest market, the USA.
For Europe, the best-selling engine is expected to be the refined and flexible 2.7-litre TDV6 turbodiesel (not available in North America), a high pressure ‘common rail’ unit that uses variable geometry turbocharging. Another version of this new V6 recently made a much-praised debut in the Jaguar S-Type. The Land Rover engine has been extensively developed to suit the Discovery 3 and produces 190bhp (140kW) and a massive 440Nm (325lb ft) of torque. Technical advances include its CGI (compacted graphite iron) block, which is lighter, stiffer and more durable than conventional cast iron.
Selected markets will also take a 4.0-litre 215bhp (160kW) petrol V6 engine that is torquey (360Nm or 265lb ft), smooth and durable. For Discovery 3, it too has been extensively developed to suit Land Rover’s unique requirements.
The petrol engines are mated to a six-speed ‘intelligent shift’ electronically controlled ZF automatic transmission. It offers a ‘sport’ mode which delivers more performance-oriented throttle response and gear shifts, and also features Land Rover’s Command Shift operation – which gives the driver full manual control of gear changing. The TDV6 is available either with this advanced automatic transmission, or with a six-speed ZF manual gearbox.
Drive goes to all four wheels. Electronic Traction Control and Dynamic Stability Control modulate power supply and braking, ensuring maximum grip in all conditions. Throttle response, gear change patterns and suspension settings are also computer controlled, determined by speed and road (or off-road) conditions. Low range is also available, for tough terrain. This can be easily selected, electronically, on the move. The central differential fully locks if conditions require greater traction.
USER-FRIENDLY NEW TECHNOLOGIES
The Discovery 3 bristles with new technologies. Among them is Land Rover’s patented Terrain Response™ system, previewed on the recent Range Stormer concept car. Terrain Response is a major advance that optimises driveability and comfort, as well as maximising traction. The driver simply chooses one of five terrain settings via a chunky rotary dial on the centre console: a general driving program, plus one for slippery conditions (known as grass/gravel/snow) and three special off-road modes, namely mud and ruts, sand, and rock crawl. Terrain Response then automatically selects the most appropriate settings for the vehicle's advanced electronic controls and traction aids.
Vehicle functions controlled by Terrain Response include ride height, engine torque response, Hill Descent Control (which limits downhill speed, and is an award-winning and patented Land Rover technology), Electronic Traction Control, transmission and differential settings. “Terrain Response is a good example of Land Rover’s commitment to offering ‘smart’ technology that aids the driver,” says Matthew Taylor. “It is easy to use. It simplifies rather than complicates driving.”
The Discovery 3 also offers the option of adaptive headlights that swivel with the direction of travel to illuminate the road ahead.
Another innovation is Land Rover’s Integrated Body-frame™, a new type of vehicle architecture that combines the torsional rigidity, car-like handling and refinement of a monocoque (or unitary) body with the strength and versatility of a traditional ladder-frame, as used on many SUVs. Computer-aided design, high-strength steel and a sophisticated hydroforming production technique combine to deliver this new technology. Hydroforming uses high-pressure fluids rather than a press tool to shape the frame, which results in a lighter weight, cleverer shapes and much tighter tolerances.
Handling is further helped by fully independent suspension. Height adjustable air springs, similar to those used on the award-winning Range Rover, will be fitted to the majority of Discovery 3s. Entry-level models use coil springs. Double wishbones are used front and rear, offering good wheel control and articulation. Rack-and-pinion steering delivers precise and intuitive control.
The Discovery 3 goes on sale later in 2004, depending on market.
Thai
Elite Member
Off-roading with Land Rover so smooth, columnist fell asleep
Friday, September 24, 2004
By Don Hammonds, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
I never have thought of myself as the off-the-road type -- rolling over rocks, wallowing in mud, careening over surfaces with tires up in the air? I'll take a pass.
But I just encountered a car that just might make me change my mind -- the new 2005 Land Rover LR3, a sterling sports utility vehicle if ever there was one. This is the Land Rover that replaces the forgettable Discover, which I felt had a range of issues, from terrible ergonomics and difficult entry and exit to just plain unpleasant features .
The LR3 is radically improved, aided by a new technology that helps drivers maximize traction on a number of surfaces.
You use a dial on the console to choose one of the five settings: general driving, grass/gravel/snow/ and three off-road modes -- mud/ruts, sand and rock crawl. nce you make your selection, the car automatically selects the most appropriate setting for such things as ride height, engine torque response, hill descent control and transmission levels.
I had a chance to test these features at a stint at a Land Rover driving school in Montebello, Quebec. I noticed is that no matter what you do in this car, you rarely get more than gentle up-and-down or side-to-side motions as you move forward.
I didn't get the lurching, yanking, pulling and other sensations that leave you exhausted after an off-road outing in most other suvs. In fact, it was so gentle that, when my co-driver took the wheel, I fell asleep on the back seat.
But the LR3 is like a bulldozer when it comes to what it will handle. There were some hair-raising experiences going up a set of steep, stairlike rock formations, through shin-deep mud and rolling off steep ledges. at times, one wheel or the other would be as much as 10 inches or so up in the air. Other times I'd be outside looking at exactly where we were and the car was leaning at a frightening angle. I was amazed at how that situation was not at all perceptible from inside, thanks to how this car's four-wheel-drive system and air suspension work in tandem.
I'd also note that the interior of this car is plenty comfortable. gorgeous supple leather, top-notch material and soft-touch plastics are used throughout. controls are placed in sensible places, including the audio system, which, as I recall, was quite awkwardly placed in the discovery. And the driving position itself was just about perfect.
Prices for the LR3, which is equipped with a powerful 300-horsepower, 4.4-liter v-8, start at $44,995 for the SE model, and $49,995 for theHSE, fuel mileage figures aren't available yet.
Final judgment on the LR3 won't be passed until I've had one for a week to evaluate, but I'm looking forward to what should be an interesting experience with this SUV.
Friday, September 24, 2004
By Don Hammonds, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
I never have thought of myself as the off-the-road type -- rolling over rocks, wallowing in mud, careening over surfaces with tires up in the air? I'll take a pass.
But I just encountered a car that just might make me change my mind -- the new 2005 Land Rover LR3, a sterling sports utility vehicle if ever there was one. This is the Land Rover that replaces the forgettable Discover, which I felt had a range of issues, from terrible ergonomics and difficult entry and exit to just plain unpleasant features .
The LR3 is radically improved, aided by a new technology that helps drivers maximize traction on a number of surfaces.
You use a dial on the console to choose one of the five settings: general driving, grass/gravel/snow/ and three off-road modes -- mud/ruts, sand and rock crawl. nce you make your selection, the car automatically selects the most appropriate setting for such things as ride height, engine torque response, hill descent control and transmission levels.
I had a chance to test these features at a stint at a Land Rover driving school in Montebello, Quebec. I noticed is that no matter what you do in this car, you rarely get more than gentle up-and-down or side-to-side motions as you move forward.
I didn't get the lurching, yanking, pulling and other sensations that leave you exhausted after an off-road outing in most other suvs. In fact, it was so gentle that, when my co-driver took the wheel, I fell asleep on the back seat.
But the LR3 is like a bulldozer when it comes to what it will handle. There were some hair-raising experiences going up a set of steep, stairlike rock formations, through shin-deep mud and rolling off steep ledges. at times, one wheel or the other would be as much as 10 inches or so up in the air. Other times I'd be outside looking at exactly where we were and the car was leaning at a frightening angle. I was amazed at how that situation was not at all perceptible from inside, thanks to how this car's four-wheel-drive system and air suspension work in tandem.
I'd also note that the interior of this car is plenty comfortable. gorgeous supple leather, top-notch material and soft-touch plastics are used throughout. controls are placed in sensible places, including the audio system, which, as I recall, was quite awkwardly placed in the discovery. And the driving position itself was just about perfect.
Prices for the LR3, which is equipped with a powerful 300-horsepower, 4.4-liter v-8, start at $44,995 for the SE model, and $49,995 for theHSE, fuel mileage figures aren't available yet.
Final judgment on the LR3 won't be passed until I've had one for a week to evaluate, but I'm looking forward to what should be an interesting experience with this SUV.
Thai
Elite Member
Link:
ConsumerGuide Review of LR3
For
Passing power, True off-road ability, Passenger and cargo room
Against
Instruments/controls, Fuel economy, Entry/exit (3rd-row)
ConsumerGuide Review of LR3
For
Passing power, True off-road ability, Passenger and cargo room
Against
Instruments/controls, Fuel economy, Entry/exit (3rd-row)
Thai
Elite Member
Off-roading in the new LR3 is the right course for Land Rover
By Lou Ann Hammond
Le Chateau Montebello is the largest log cabin in the world. The Chateau is located inside 65,000 acres of unspoiled Laurentian wilderness originally granted by the King of France in 1674. Inside these 65,000 acres is the new Land Rover Experience Driving School.
Deep within those woods are a quasi-convoy of Land Rover LR3s. The Land Rover LR3s are being guided by Bob Burns and group. Burns and his group have been off-roading before off-roading was cool. Many of them were participants in earlier camel trophy runs. This is the upper echelon of off-roading.
Burns and crew have walked the Land Rover course for days. They even built a bridge. I walked the bridge marveling at the work that had gone into this cross-member log bridge. Three logs on each side, the middle log rutted in, so that the tire would rut into the middle and follow the intended line. Smart design, but it still looked precarious.
The 2005 Land Rover LR3 is taking the place of the defunct Discovery. The Discovery was a disaster waiting for destruction. The LR3 is a full-size SUV, fourteen inches longer than the Discovery. The LR3 looks more like a Range Rover, with brutish styling and harder, tailored angles.
In previous off-roading trips I have grasped the hi-low center-rear differential stuff about half way through, but I’ve never felt comfortable enough to go off-roading by myself. The LR3 takes all this away with the breakthrough technology called Terrain response.
Terrain response is a rotary knob that has pictures to guide you to the one of five modes you need to be in. You have your normal; snow-grass-gravel;mud and ruts;sand;rock crawl. According to Matthew Taylor, Manager of Land Rover, Land Rover watched the characteristics of the terrain and created algorithms and different modes that correspond to the modes. It takes all the guesswork out of off-roading.
Once you select the mode, terrain response automatically sets the vehicle’s height, torque, electronic traction control (ETC), hill descent control (HDC) and transmission settings. In tandem with this is a navigational system that features an animated display that shows whether the wheels are straight, whether the center or rear diff is locked, steering angles, height and suspension.
What does all this mean? Forty percent of Land Rover owners go off-roading. Compare that to five percent for all other Sport Utility Owners and you can see why Land Rover continues to make only Sports Utility Vehicles, instead of crossing over to the more popular Crossover vehicle.
The LR3 has a new integrated body frame (IBF) structure and a version of Jaguar’s 4.4 liter V-8, delivering 300 horsepower and 313 lb. ft of torque. Combined, they offer high torsional stiffness with optimal on-road driveability and comfort.
When questioned about Land Rover’s intent to stay with Sports Utility Vehicles Bob Burns put it best, "We hope all the other companies go to Crossovers. We are staying with SUVs. We know them, we know how to make them so that people want to drive them the way they should be driven."
Expect Land Rover to continue on this off-road course. Next year’s Range Rover will include a Jaguar derived engine that is in the XJ and for more kicks they are going to offer the supercharged V-8.
The driving dichotomy is that in off-roading you rarely go more than 10 mph. It is not only in keeping with that need for more horsepower, but in the fact that Land Rover will be free of their contract with BMW. A move they need to make to be able to cut the cost of the vehicle to be more in line with vehicles that offer that horsepower, but less functional amenities off-road. A driving dichotomy that Land Rover faces because it is two vehicles in one.
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Price:SE:$44,995; HSE:$49,995
Powertrain:4.4 liter V-8 mated to a 6-speed electronic automatic transmission
Horsepower:300 horsepower
Torque:313 lb.ft Competitors: Toyota Landcruiser, VW Touareg, Volvo XC90
By Lou Ann Hammond
Le Chateau Montebello is the largest log cabin in the world. The Chateau is located inside 65,000 acres of unspoiled Laurentian wilderness originally granted by the King of France in 1674. Inside these 65,000 acres is the new Land Rover Experience Driving School.
Deep within those woods are a quasi-convoy of Land Rover LR3s. The Land Rover LR3s are being guided by Bob Burns and group. Burns and his group have been off-roading before off-roading was cool. Many of them were participants in earlier camel trophy runs. This is the upper echelon of off-roading.
Burns and crew have walked the Land Rover course for days. They even built a bridge. I walked the bridge marveling at the work that had gone into this cross-member log bridge. Three logs on each side, the middle log rutted in, so that the tire would rut into the middle and follow the intended line. Smart design, but it still looked precarious.
The 2005 Land Rover LR3 is taking the place of the defunct Discovery. The Discovery was a disaster waiting for destruction. The LR3 is a full-size SUV, fourteen inches longer than the Discovery. The LR3 looks more like a Range Rover, with brutish styling and harder, tailored angles.
In previous off-roading trips I have grasped the hi-low center-rear differential stuff about half way through, but I’ve never felt comfortable enough to go off-roading by myself. The LR3 takes all this away with the breakthrough technology called Terrain response.
Terrain response is a rotary knob that has pictures to guide you to the one of five modes you need to be in. You have your normal; snow-grass-gravel;mud and ruts;sand;rock crawl. According to Matthew Taylor, Manager of Land Rover, Land Rover watched the characteristics of the terrain and created algorithms and different modes that correspond to the modes. It takes all the guesswork out of off-roading.
Once you select the mode, terrain response automatically sets the vehicle’s height, torque, electronic traction control (ETC), hill descent control (HDC) and transmission settings. In tandem with this is a navigational system that features an animated display that shows whether the wheels are straight, whether the center or rear diff is locked, steering angles, height and suspension.
What does all this mean? Forty percent of Land Rover owners go off-roading. Compare that to five percent for all other Sport Utility Owners and you can see why Land Rover continues to make only Sports Utility Vehicles, instead of crossing over to the more popular Crossover vehicle.
The LR3 has a new integrated body frame (IBF) structure and a version of Jaguar’s 4.4 liter V-8, delivering 300 horsepower and 313 lb. ft of torque. Combined, they offer high torsional stiffness with optimal on-road driveability and comfort.
When questioned about Land Rover’s intent to stay with Sports Utility Vehicles Bob Burns put it best, "We hope all the other companies go to Crossovers. We are staying with SUVs. We know them, we know how to make them so that people want to drive them the way they should be driven."
Expect Land Rover to continue on this off-road course. Next year’s Range Rover will include a Jaguar derived engine that is in the XJ and for more kicks they are going to offer the supercharged V-8.
The driving dichotomy is that in off-roading you rarely go more than 10 mph. It is not only in keeping with that need for more horsepower, but in the fact that Land Rover will be free of their contract with BMW. A move they need to make to be able to cut the cost of the vehicle to be more in line with vehicles that offer that horsepower, but less functional amenities off-road. A driving dichotomy that Land Rover faces because it is two vehicles in one.
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Price:SE:$44,995; HSE:$49,995
Powertrain:4.4 liter V-8 mated to a 6-speed electronic automatic transmission
Horsepower:300 horsepower
Torque:313 lb.ft Competitors: Toyota Landcruiser, VW Touareg, Volvo XC90
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LAS VEGAS, Nov. 2 /PRNewswire/ -- Today, the already admired 2005 LR3 gets even better as an all-new line of specialized vehicle kit is launched. On display at the 2004 Specialty Equipment Manufacturers Association (SEMA) annual trade show, a highly accessorized LR3 showcases a range of products available for owners to customize their LR3 vehicles.
The accessory program for LR3 follows the tradition of other Land Rover vehicles, offering customers a range of purposeful and rugged items to outfit their SUV. Each item is specially designed and tested to Land Rover's exacting quality standards, ensuring proper performance and durability.
"Consumers interested in LR3 appreciate its innovative design and recognize it as a true Land Rover from the inside out," commented Sally Eastwood, vice president Marketing, Land Rover North America. "This exclusive line of vehicle kit will boost LR3's appeal, allowing consumers to personalize their vehicle to their individual tastes."
An entirely new range of Vehicle Kit accessories have been specially designed and engineered for LR3. The selection includes soft-touch polyurethane front protection bars, modular steel brush bars, an expedition roof rack and WARN® winch. Other new items include a wood trim kit for the fascia, a slide-out floor for the loadspace, a DVD-player and a fitted screened tent.
Land Rover expects to have full availability of these Kit accessories by launch in November.
Key items featured at the SEMA show include:
* 'A' Frame Protection bar
* Driving lamps
* WARN® winch
* Front lamp guards
* Rear lamp guards
* Door rubbing strips
* Expedition roof rack
* Raised air intake (G4 specific)
* Rear access ladder (G4 specific)
* Goodyear™ tires (G4 specific)
All Land Rover accessories are available at 164 U.S. Land Rover retailers. When purchased with a new vehicle, kit items are covered under the same warranty.
The accessory program for LR3 follows the tradition of other Land Rover vehicles, offering customers a range of purposeful and rugged items to outfit their SUV. Each item is specially designed and tested to Land Rover's exacting quality standards, ensuring proper performance and durability.
"Consumers interested in LR3 appreciate its innovative design and recognize it as a true Land Rover from the inside out," commented Sally Eastwood, vice president Marketing, Land Rover North America. "This exclusive line of vehicle kit will boost LR3's appeal, allowing consumers to personalize their vehicle to their individual tastes."
An entirely new range of Vehicle Kit accessories have been specially designed and engineered for LR3. The selection includes soft-touch polyurethane front protection bars, modular steel brush bars, an expedition roof rack and WARN® winch. Other new items include a wood trim kit for the fascia, a slide-out floor for the loadspace, a DVD-player and a fitted screened tent.
Land Rover expects to have full availability of these Kit accessories by launch in November.
Key items featured at the SEMA show include:
* 'A' Frame Protection bar
* Driving lamps
* WARN® winch
* Front lamp guards
* Rear lamp guards
* Door rubbing strips
* Expedition roof rack
* Raised air intake (G4 specific)
* Rear access ladder (G4 specific)
* Goodyear™ tires (G4 specific)
All Land Rover accessories are available at 164 U.S. Land Rover retailers. When purchased with a new vehicle, kit items are covered under the same warranty.
Thai
Elite Member
In-depth pics of the new LR3:
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/lr3/
Shape is still strange to me...but it is a technologically advance SUV...maybe too advance??
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/lr3/
Shape is still strange to me...but it is a technologically advance SUV...maybe too advance??
Thai
Elite Member
Rover's LR3 rocks, ending the age of Disco
Fancy sport-utility vehicle purveyor Land Rover has killed the long-running Land Rover Discovery, the brand's middle model, and replaced it with LR3, carrying over zero parts and, it appears, none of the lousy design and fumbling execution that made the Disco such a wretch, though one with a loyal following.
LR3 is a terrific sport-utility vehicle if daily practicality and honest, go-anywhere capability are dear to you, and if adornment, sleek styling, good fuel economy and a low price aren't.
If glitzy styling and bachelor-pad amenities are what you seek in an SUV that you'll probably never take far off-road, go buy a Cadillac Escalade. If fierce performance and a European nameplate comprise your grail, and true utility is secondary, choose a BMW X5.
A Lexus GX 470 would give you solid off-road abilities and luxurious accommodations, as well as a nonpareil reputation for quality and durability, but the third-row seat is a joke, especially in contrast to LR3's, and the Lexus off-road system isn't as easily tuned for specific terrain. A Volkswagen Touareg has no third row and can't claim the same off-road expertise as the Rover. So, for those who really appreciate an SUV for the genre's inherent advantages, LR3 is the sweetheart.
Let's get the dark side out of the way first, though.
• The Rover's V-8 engine, derived from Jaguar — easily done as Ford Motor owns both Land Rover and Jaguar — sucked petrol furiously during the test drive, clocking only 10.6 miles per gallon in town, according to the vehicle's trip computer.
• That V-8 is a true powerhouse, making the vehicle scoot smartly when spurred from a stop — a respectable 8 seconds from standstill to 60 mph, Land Rover says — but LR3 nonetheless has moments of plodding somnambulance because the transmission won't always downshift and provide better acceleration when the driver would like it to do so. Too, the engine has to propel nearly three tons, according to Land Rover specifications, which means LR3's several hundred pounds heavier than a Chevrolet Suburban SUV that's 2½ feet longer than the LR3.
The heft is a byproduct of Rover's belt-and-suspenders approach. LR3 is a car-like unibody but mounted on a truck-style frame. Normally it's one or the other, unibody or frame, not both. A unibody is a way to achieve tight, precise, rattle-free construction. A separate frame is a way to preserve off-road ruggedness and high towing and hauling capacities.
• The price starts at $45,000 and runs to $55,000 loaded, yet LR3 doesn't offer such modern niceties as satellite radio, adjustable pedals or proper child-seat connections in the middle of the second row, where they'd do the most good. Even if you don't consider LR3 overpriced and underfeatured, you're still risking a tall pile of cash on a first-year, everything's-new, complicated model from a brand with a poor reputation for quality.
• Third-row seating is a $1,250 option instead of standard, as you'd expect in an expensive vehicle. And that third row sits unnervingly close to the tailgate and rear window. That leaves a scant 9.9 cubic feet of cargo space behind and makes you wonder about the safety of way-back riders if an inattentive driver slams the vehicle from behind.
It's not exclusively a Rover issue. Many SUVs tuck the third row quite close to the back. Federal standards for rear-crash safety focus on whether the fuel system leaks, not whether people survive the impact, so it's hard to assay the true risk for riders. On the plus side, LR3's a looker. Tall, bold, square, purposeful, disdaining furbelows and tack-on gimcracks — just how a real SUV ought to be. "Architectural," Land Rover calls the look.
And isn't it amazing how much room there is for people and stuff when you eschew slopey, slanty styling for the upright ethic. Real grownups can sit comfortably in the optional third-row seat, for example. Fold and lower the second and third rows and the cargo space is a generous 90-plus cubic feet.
In the second row, you can fold or erect the left, right and middle portions of the seat individually. In the third row, the left and right halves work individually. The seats have two folded positions. They will simply fold forward. And they can be articulated downward from that position to gain several more inches of cargo-hauling headroom. The window-shade type cargo cover removes and slots at floor level in a small gap between the folded rows. That removes a nettlesome problem of where to put the darn cover when you're in max-cargo mode.
Seats are high for good view and excellent comfort. An access setting lowers the suspension 2 inches so you can get in and out easily. What appears to be a triple sunroof is a front glass panel that slides open, and two rear panels that don't. Good for light and an airy feel inside, not so good for ventilation.
The always-on all-wheel drive has what's called Terrain Response. It lets the driver tailor the system to conditions. Settings are grass/gravel/snow; mud/ruts; sand; rock crawl. And there's a "general" that should work fine for everything, should you not be into tinkering with settings (easy as it is, via a simple knob).
The settings reprogram the response of the engine, transmission, differentials, brakes, anti-skid and traction controls, choose an appropriate suspension height and even tell you if you should shift into low range.
If it's trouble-free, it'll be magic. If not, a nightmare.
In fact, that about sums up the whole LR3.
2005 LR3
• What is it? Mid-size, four-door, five- or seven-passenger, luxury sport-utility vehicle replacing Discovery as Land Rover's middle model. Manufactured in England.
• How soon? On sale since Monday.
• How much? SE starts at $44,995 including destination. HSE is $49,995. HSE with all options is $54,545.
Expect to pay full sticker price, the online car-shopping services say.
• How many? Low-volume, like all Land Rovers; about 30,000 a year, similar to sales of rivals Lexus GX 470, Volkswagen Touareg.
• Who'll buy? Well-educated, well-to-do, married men — median age, 40; median household income, $150,000; 75% college grads; 50% have kids.
• What's the power train? Jaguar-derived 4.4-liter V-8 rated 300 horsepower at 5,500 rpm, 315 pounds-feet of torque at 4,000 rpm; 6-speed automatic transmission with manual-shift mode; full-time all-wheel drive.
• What's the safety gear? Expected bags and belts, plus front-seat, side-impact air bags and side-curtain, head-protection air bags; anti-lock brakes; all-terrain anti-skid control.
• What's the rest? Dual-zone climate control; leather upholstery; cruise control; power steering, brakes, windows, sunroof, seats, locks; AM/FM/CD stereo; height-adjustable suspension; front and rear fog lights; rear parking alarm; 255/60HR-18 tires with temporary spare.
• How big? Similar to Ford Explorer; LR3 is 190.9 inches long, 75.4 inches wide, 74.1 inches tall on a 113.6-inch wheelbase. Cargo space is stated as 9.9 cubic feet behind the third row, 44.5 cubic feet when the third row's folded and lowered, 90.3 cubic feet behind the front seats when the back two rows are folded and lowered.
Weight is listed as 5,426-5,796 pounds, depending on model. Rated to carry 1,530 pounds of people and cargo; rated to tow up to 7,700 pounds.
• How thirsty? Rated 14 miles per gallon in town, 18 on the highway. Test vehicle's trip computer showed 10.6 for in-town driving. Premium fuel is specified.
• Overall: Roomy, practical, pricey, unproven.
Fancy sport-utility vehicle purveyor Land Rover has killed the long-running Land Rover Discovery, the brand's middle model, and replaced it with LR3, carrying over zero parts and, it appears, none of the lousy design and fumbling execution that made the Disco such a wretch, though one with a loyal following.
LR3 is a terrific sport-utility vehicle if daily practicality and honest, go-anywhere capability are dear to you, and if adornment, sleek styling, good fuel economy and a low price aren't.
If glitzy styling and bachelor-pad amenities are what you seek in an SUV that you'll probably never take far off-road, go buy a Cadillac Escalade. If fierce performance and a European nameplate comprise your grail, and true utility is secondary, choose a BMW X5.
A Lexus GX 470 would give you solid off-road abilities and luxurious accommodations, as well as a nonpareil reputation for quality and durability, but the third-row seat is a joke, especially in contrast to LR3's, and the Lexus off-road system isn't as easily tuned for specific terrain. A Volkswagen Touareg has no third row and can't claim the same off-road expertise as the Rover. So, for those who really appreciate an SUV for the genre's inherent advantages, LR3 is the sweetheart.
Let's get the dark side out of the way first, though.
• The Rover's V-8 engine, derived from Jaguar — easily done as Ford Motor owns both Land Rover and Jaguar — sucked petrol furiously during the test drive, clocking only 10.6 miles per gallon in town, according to the vehicle's trip computer.
• That V-8 is a true powerhouse, making the vehicle scoot smartly when spurred from a stop — a respectable 8 seconds from standstill to 60 mph, Land Rover says — but LR3 nonetheless has moments of plodding somnambulance because the transmission won't always downshift and provide better acceleration when the driver would like it to do so. Too, the engine has to propel nearly three tons, according to Land Rover specifications, which means LR3's several hundred pounds heavier than a Chevrolet Suburban SUV that's 2½ feet longer than the LR3.
The heft is a byproduct of Rover's belt-and-suspenders approach. LR3 is a car-like unibody but mounted on a truck-style frame. Normally it's one or the other, unibody or frame, not both. A unibody is a way to achieve tight, precise, rattle-free construction. A separate frame is a way to preserve off-road ruggedness and high towing and hauling capacities.
• The price starts at $45,000 and runs to $55,000 loaded, yet LR3 doesn't offer such modern niceties as satellite radio, adjustable pedals or proper child-seat connections in the middle of the second row, where they'd do the most good. Even if you don't consider LR3 overpriced and underfeatured, you're still risking a tall pile of cash on a first-year, everything's-new, complicated model from a brand with a poor reputation for quality.
• Third-row seating is a $1,250 option instead of standard, as you'd expect in an expensive vehicle. And that third row sits unnervingly close to the tailgate and rear window. That leaves a scant 9.9 cubic feet of cargo space behind and makes you wonder about the safety of way-back riders if an inattentive driver slams the vehicle from behind.
It's not exclusively a Rover issue. Many SUVs tuck the third row quite close to the back. Federal standards for rear-crash safety focus on whether the fuel system leaks, not whether people survive the impact, so it's hard to assay the true risk for riders. On the plus side, LR3's a looker. Tall, bold, square, purposeful, disdaining furbelows and tack-on gimcracks — just how a real SUV ought to be. "Architectural," Land Rover calls the look.
And isn't it amazing how much room there is for people and stuff when you eschew slopey, slanty styling for the upright ethic. Real grownups can sit comfortably in the optional third-row seat, for example. Fold and lower the second and third rows and the cargo space is a generous 90-plus cubic feet.
In the second row, you can fold or erect the left, right and middle portions of the seat individually. In the third row, the left and right halves work individually. The seats have two folded positions. They will simply fold forward. And they can be articulated downward from that position to gain several more inches of cargo-hauling headroom. The window-shade type cargo cover removes and slots at floor level in a small gap between the folded rows. That removes a nettlesome problem of where to put the darn cover when you're in max-cargo mode.
Seats are high for good view and excellent comfort. An access setting lowers the suspension 2 inches so you can get in and out easily. What appears to be a triple sunroof is a front glass panel that slides open, and two rear panels that don't. Good for light and an airy feel inside, not so good for ventilation.
The always-on all-wheel drive has what's called Terrain Response. It lets the driver tailor the system to conditions. Settings are grass/gravel/snow; mud/ruts; sand; rock crawl. And there's a "general" that should work fine for everything, should you not be into tinkering with settings (easy as it is, via a simple knob).
The settings reprogram the response of the engine, transmission, differentials, brakes, anti-skid and traction controls, choose an appropriate suspension height and even tell you if you should shift into low range.
If it's trouble-free, it'll be magic. If not, a nightmare.
In fact, that about sums up the whole LR3.
2005 LR3
• What is it? Mid-size, four-door, five- or seven-passenger, luxury sport-utility vehicle replacing Discovery as Land Rover's middle model. Manufactured in England.
• How soon? On sale since Monday.
• How much? SE starts at $44,995 including destination. HSE is $49,995. HSE with all options is $54,545.
Expect to pay full sticker price, the online car-shopping services say.
• How many? Low-volume, like all Land Rovers; about 30,000 a year, similar to sales of rivals Lexus GX 470, Volkswagen Touareg.
• Who'll buy? Well-educated, well-to-do, married men — median age, 40; median household income, $150,000; 75% college grads; 50% have kids.
• What's the power train? Jaguar-derived 4.4-liter V-8 rated 300 horsepower at 5,500 rpm, 315 pounds-feet of torque at 4,000 rpm; 6-speed automatic transmission with manual-shift mode; full-time all-wheel drive.
• What's the safety gear? Expected bags and belts, plus front-seat, side-impact air bags and side-curtain, head-protection air bags; anti-lock brakes; all-terrain anti-skid control.
• What's the rest? Dual-zone climate control; leather upholstery; cruise control; power steering, brakes, windows, sunroof, seats, locks; AM/FM/CD stereo; height-adjustable suspension; front and rear fog lights; rear parking alarm; 255/60HR-18 tires with temporary spare.
• How big? Similar to Ford Explorer; LR3 is 190.9 inches long, 75.4 inches wide, 74.1 inches tall on a 113.6-inch wheelbase. Cargo space is stated as 9.9 cubic feet behind the third row, 44.5 cubic feet when the third row's folded and lowered, 90.3 cubic feet behind the front seats when the back two rows are folded and lowered.
Weight is listed as 5,426-5,796 pounds, depending on model. Rated to carry 1,530 pounds of people and cargo; rated to tow up to 7,700 pounds.
• How thirsty? Rated 14 miles per gallon in town, 18 on the highway. Test vehicle's trip computer showed 10.6 for in-town driving. Premium fuel is specified.
• Overall: Roomy, practical, pricey, unproven.
Thai
Elite Member
Thai
Elite Member
Link:
Edmunds Full Review of LR3
What Works:
Tackles rough terrain with ease, tackles suburbs just as well, flexible interior design, front seats good for the long haul, serious cargo room.
What Needs Work:
Excessive weight hampers performance, interior materials don't convey substantial price, poor design of climate and stereo controls.
Bottom Line:
Now that it has the comfort and practicality to match its mud-slinging skills, this midsize Rover can compete heads-up with anything in its class.
Vehicle Tested:
2005 Land Rover LR3 SE 4WD 4dr SUV (4.4L 8cyl 6A)
MSRP of Test Vehicle: $46345
Edmunds Full Review of LR3
What Works:
Tackles rough terrain with ease, tackles suburbs just as well, flexible interior design, front seats good for the long haul, serious cargo room.
What Needs Work:
Excessive weight hampers performance, interior materials don't convey substantial price, poor design of climate and stereo controls.
Bottom Line:
Now that it has the comfort and practicality to match its mud-slinging skills, this midsize Rover can compete heads-up with anything in its class.
Vehicle Tested:
2005 Land Rover LR3 SE 4WD 4dr SUV (4.4L 8cyl 6A)
MSRP of Test Vehicle: $46345
spblat
New member
Just for kicks, I test drove one today. Here's my quick take.
- Gorgeous interior. I mean like wow. :bowdown: Really sweet. Good cup holders! I never bothered to turn the stereo on: over 200 watts, harmon kardon, 6CD in dash, built-in aux input for MP3 player or satellite. What else is there to know?
- One sunroof plus two skylights. How cool is that?!
- Perfectly fun to drive, nice and peppy, no handling problems (like I'm an expert on that anyway).
- Despite the 6 speed automatic and 300HP V8 (according to the dealer) I didn't find the transmission as refined/smooth as the 5 speed auto in my 4th gen t4r. I was slightly reminded of the "all power, no refinement" acceleration of a Mustang.
- Slide the gearshift to the left for sportier shift points. Then move it up and down for manual control over the gears. This pales in comparison to my gated shifter, where I can get any gear I want by placing my hand in a familiar position. With tiptronic style, if I want instant 2nd gear, I have to be sure I know what gear I'm already in.
- All Land Rover dealers have a little offroading course--basically a 100 yard slate rock path that's very twisty and steep. Instead of riding with the dealer (customers aren't allowed to drive on the course
) I got out and watched him attack it. He flipped a few switches: raised the suspension, activated low range, entered "rock crawler" mode (one of five terrain modes available on a rotary dial) and slowly went for it. It was perfectly impressive until he got stuck: insufficient traction was available to the left rear and right front, and without a differential locker he was slippin' and smokin' before they finally gripped enough to get him up and over. Most amusing; if only he would have let me take a swipe at his little path in my rig.
So if you have cash to burn and want a truck that won't totally embarrass you off road, LR3 looks awesome. I'd say it's more for snow bunnies than hardcore dirt lovers, but it's not so bad. But for my money I wouldn't touch it. The LR3 is a Beverly Hills SUV that can hold its own in the desert. I'm much happier in my desert-romping 4Runner that can hold its own in Beverly Hills.
- Gorgeous interior. I mean like wow. :bowdown: Really sweet. Good cup holders! I never bothered to turn the stereo on: over 200 watts, harmon kardon, 6CD in dash, built-in aux input for MP3 player or satellite. What else is there to know?
- One sunroof plus two skylights. How cool is that?!
- Perfectly fun to drive, nice and peppy, no handling problems (like I'm an expert on that anyway).
- Despite the 6 speed automatic and 300HP V8 (according to the dealer) I didn't find the transmission as refined/smooth as the 5 speed auto in my 4th gen t4r. I was slightly reminded of the "all power, no refinement" acceleration of a Mustang.
- Slide the gearshift to the left for sportier shift points. Then move it up and down for manual control over the gears. This pales in comparison to my gated shifter, where I can get any gear I want by placing my hand in a familiar position. With tiptronic style, if I want instant 2nd gear, I have to be sure I know what gear I'm already in.
- All Land Rover dealers have a little offroading course--basically a 100 yard slate rock path that's very twisty and steep. Instead of riding with the dealer (customers aren't allowed to drive on the course
) I got out and watched him attack it. He flipped a few switches: raised the suspension, activated low range, entered "rock crawler" mode (one of five terrain modes available on a rotary dial) and slowly went for it. It was perfectly impressive until he got stuck: insufficient traction was available to the left rear and right front, and without a differential locker he was slippin' and smokin' before they finally gripped enough to get him up and over. Most amusing; if only he would have let me take a swipe at his little path in my rig.So if you have cash to burn and want a truck that won't totally embarrass you off road, LR3 looks awesome. I'd say it's more for snow bunnies than hardcore dirt lovers, but it's not so bad. But for my money I wouldn't touch it. The LR3 is a Beverly Hills SUV that can hold its own in the desert. I'm much happier in my desert-romping 4Runner that can hold its own in Beverly Hills.
bulldog-yota
New member
Yeah defintely a Beverly Hills mobile. I found the interior nice, but it was kind of uncomfortable. It's knee space was limited in the front and the hip/shoulder room limited. In the back the seats are very narrow.
I was dissapointed in the performnce aspects. IT does OK, but looses out against the 4R, and I'm not even talking about the new V8. It's handling and ride was pretty good.
However it will have to prove it is over Land Rover quality especially with all the gadgets it has. ANother thing is that all Rovers are damn expensive to service. I'm talking $500 for an oil change service, that's on a Freelander and yes I did phone around to get quotes. Who knows what it will be on the LR3?? Let them give you all service costs upfrotn and make them sign next to it.
I was dissapointed in the performnce aspects. IT does OK, but looses out against the 4R, and I'm not even talking about the new V8. It's handling and ride was pretty good.
However it will have to prove it is over Land Rover quality especially with all the gadgets it has. ANother thing is that all Rovers are damn expensive to service. I'm talking $500 for an oil change service, that's on a Freelander and yes I did phone around to get quotes. Who knows what it will be on the LR3?? Let them give you all service costs upfrotn and make them sign next to it.
Thai
Elite Member
LR3 off-roading videos:
http://www.uae4x4.com/vids/lr3.htm
Pretty cool stuff...but the damn box shape makes it look so tippy!
http://www.uae4x4.com/vids/lr3.htm
Pretty cool stuff...but the damn box shape makes it look so tippy!
Thai
Elite Member
Here are some real off-roading pics on Discoweb.org of LR3 at Gilmer, TX:
http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5714
http://www.discoweb.org/forums/showthread.php?t=5714
Thai
Elite Member
Here are some off-roading pics of the LR3:
http://www.pbase.com/jzk/lr3
Pretty impressive wheel articulation! LR independent systems are really well-designed...the only real question is it's air suspension's reliability.
There's an apparent winch system that you can install in the front bumper...really nice!
Here is a video of a LR3 through an off-roading course:
http://users.pandora.be/m-release/movies/DiscoIII_LROC_24-04-2005.wmv
Pretty nice SUV.
http://www.pbase.com/jzk/lr3
Pretty impressive wheel articulation! LR independent systems are really well-designed...the only real question is it's air suspension's reliability.
There's an apparent winch system that you can install in the front bumper...really nice!
Here is a video of a LR3 through an off-roading course:
http://users.pandora.be/m-release/movies/DiscoIII_LROC_24-04-2005.wmv
Pretty nice SUV.
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