2005 transmission fluid/filter change

I emailed toyota factory to see what the current procedure for servicing our 4th gen 4runner transmissions. The answer was to simply drain and fill with approx. 3 qts of toyota ATF WS fluid. No flush or filter change. With all the variables that are present within the transmission that alter the stability of the fluid itself I think I'm still going to flush my transmission so that any particles of debris that are present wont make it into my fresh fluid.
 
Flushing is a very bad idea. Those particles won't necessarily be flushed, they might just be moved and clog a valve, you'll probably de-varnish the innards releasing more junk causing more problems. Yeah, not real technical but I had my wife's Accord transmission flushed and ended up replacing it, a couple grand I would have rather not spent on that.

Why ask Toyota only to ignore them? They tend to give good advice.
 
Mine has exceeded 220 on days where it's very hot - 100°+ and towing my travel trailer, never while wheeling. I do have the V8 cooler but it still happens which concerns me. Wondering if I should add a larger cooler or something to keep it cooler.



Don't quote me on the temp. I heard that somewhere. I was hoping blackworks would chime in and let us know what the actual upper range is. Has your A/T Temp light ever come on? If not, then you are not hitting the upper range and I wouldn't worry.

As for the metal bits. This is my understanding of how this works. Our transmissions do not have a filter, instead they have a pick up screen the prevents anything of any worry from moving into the moving parts. As for the natural wear of the gearing, according to friend of mine, this was anticipated and for the expected life of the vehicle that is run under normal operating conditions and not abused, this particulate matter should never exceed safe operating range.

It sounded like, and this makes sense, that those of us on here have a tendency to "overthink" and "overworry". If you think about how many older cars, with older A/T trans that were run into the ground by people who never cared, original fluid, and it made it well into the 200k mile rage (the upper percentile for longevity) then it makes sense.

I am not arguing that doing 0 maintenance will allow you to get to 500k miles on the trans, not at all, but that the point is for the 99th percentile that has a vehicle "age out", as in retire due to some other issue it will be before the fluid reaches max achievable end of life.

If you consider the average life span of a car is around 10 years and around 150 - 200k miles. Cars naturally die out due to world occurances. Wrecks, crashes, they get too old and stuff breaks (A/C, Windows) and are sold off because of it. Engine goes, the engine is a far more hostile working environment.

I won't argue DON'T change. I did and I feel glad for it. I am merely addressing the concept of "lifetime" fluid and have come to the conclusion that it probably is. Consider this, your typical car owner does't care and drives it till it dies. How many of these trans have you heard of dieing? Not me. They appear to be very strong, this suggests that they are built around a concept of outlive the rest of the car. Your average driver will tired of the dead suspension, leaking sunroof, banged up seats, before the trans goes.

Just my thought.
 
I agree, my last truck (FJ62) had 287K when I sold it but I did blow up the auto tranny. The cause was a blockage in the cooler. I don't want to do that to this one and as I mentioned my wife's tranny went to hell after being flushed. Drain & fill is what I think makes sense and while I do over-think this stuff it would be nice to have a definitive number on what constitutes too hot. I want this truck to reach 300k and I'm only past the halfway point.

Toyotas can take a lot of neglect, case in point was my brother's Corolla that he sold with 250K or so and he never changed the oil. No exaggeration, he's one of those people that added oil if it was low and didn't know people changed oil until I listened to him talk to the guy that bought it. Yeah, he pretty much lives on a different planet than me. <lol>

I'll still pursue what temps are too high for peace of mind. Thanks for your input!
 
So after hearing some great examples on why not to flush the transmission I'll probably just do the drain and fill. It also made me think of my first car. I had an '88 camry that had just around 220k when I sold it and I never changed the transmission fluid in it. I ran like a champ until the day I sold it. CXS, our brothers must be related somehow because hes the type of person who would rather replace a complete transmission instead of the pilot bearing!
 
Flushing is a very bad idea. Those particles won't necessarily be flushed, they might just be moved and clog a valve, you'll probably de-varnish the innards releasing more junk causing more problems. Yeah, not real technical but I had my wife's Accord transmission flushed and ended up replacing it, a couple grand I would have rather not spent on that.

Why ask Toyota only to ignore them? They tend to give good advice.

It is only if the vehicle is put on a power flusher and the fluid flushed backwards through the system. The proper way to do it is to use the transmissions own pump to pump out the old fluid while you put new fluid back in. You can do it very easily with someones help to start and stop the engine when needed. Then bring it to temp and check level through the check plug on tranny pan. This is the BEST method because it exchanges all fluid and does zero harm to tranny. I did mine in about 20 minutes. Smooth as silk.
 
Gatafly, do you have a video on your transmission flush or a link to a video showing the type of flush you preformed. Im also in the market for a good gear oil pump. My last one broke half walk through a transfer case service not the best place to have to squeeze fluid into.
 
Gatafly, do you have a video on your transmission flush or a link to a video showing the type of flush you preformed. Im also in the market for a good gear oil pump. My last one broke half walk through a transfer case service not the best place to have to squeeze fluid into.

No, I dont. I just disconnected the supply and return transmission fluid lines fron the tranny cooler behind the grill. I put the supply line into a big bucket and attached a funnel to the return line. I then started the truck and as the tranny was pumping the old fluid out I was pouring the new fluid in. I had a friend stay in the truck to stop and start tge engine if needed. While doing thise he cycled it through the gears also. Right around adding 12 qts the new fluid came out the supply line. At this time the engine was stopped and hoses reconnected to the cooler. I ran the engine again for a minute or two then shut off and crawled under to remove check plug. I ended up adding almost 1 qt. Installed check plug then ran truck until it reached 100 degrees fluid temp, i believe it is supposed to be between 95-115 degrees. It has been over a year so I forget the exact range. I used an IR thermal scanner to check temp. I pulled the check plug again and about 1/4 of a quart came out. I drove it for 2 days then checked again and just a tiny trickle oozed from check plug. Tranny has been smooth as silk for 30k so far.
 
One last thing before I start this transmission service. I want to pull the pan to clean the filter. Is it necessary to unbolt the exhaust in order to remove the pan.
 
Alright. So I did the flush/fill transmission service this weekend using the link provided earlier on in the thread. Im proud to say that it didn't take that long and seems to have seen a success. The transmission is shifting smoothly and I saved myself a ton of money (roughly $250) and gained some experience3 in the meantime. Thanks to everyone who offered advice on this. Oh, Im still in the market for a good manual fluid pump that will fit quart and gallon jugs.
 
So after hearing some great examples on why not to flush the transmission I'll probably just do the drain and fill. It also made me think of my first car. I had an '88 camry that had just around 220k when I sold it and I never changed the transmission fluid in it. I ran like a champ until the day I sold it. CXS, our brothers must be related somehow because hes the type of person who would rather replace a complete transmission instead of the pilot bearing!

yeah, i think the flushing people are telling you not to do is go to a shop and have them hook it up to a machine. Doing one yourself is no different than driving it.
 
Fill bolt stuck

I’ve accidentally drained my transmission pan while doing a routine “oil change”. Unfortunately, the fill hole for the transmission is stuck, and every attempt at loosening it has ended up rounding the bolt a little bit. Would it be bad to pump ATF up through the check bolt hole from the bottom? (Not the drain plug). I have an 05 SR5 so no dipstick hole to use
 

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