Epic fail.
2010 4Runner Ordering Guide Report for the U.S.
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Epic fail.
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ToyTech99
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Well, one thing I couldn't figure out is whether or not the other models will have the ability to run fulltime 4wd the way the V6 4Runners do now. If that's the case, it's not so bad for those who like the idea of always running 4wd.
J.A.
Senior Member
They cannot be run in fulltime 4WD mode as they dont have a torsen center diff.
Uneek
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Huge disappointment and Toyota took no steps foward and 2 steps back (almost two generations).
Full time 4WD was why I chose a 4Runner and got my Taco in 2WD. Otherwise, if the Taco had full time 4WD, I probably wouldn't have gotten the 4Runner.
If it is the same as the 4th Gen V6 -- with the ability to run in RWD or fulltime 4WD on pavement, with a lockable Torsen center diff, then I'll retract my statement.
I don't need to always be running in 4WD. But when it snows and you are going from dry pavement, to wet pavement, to snow covered pavement every few hundred feet, I greatly prefer fulltime 4WD to part-time.
But if, as J.A. states, they don't have a Torsen center diff, then no sale.
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I guess I'll repeat myself until I'm on "the universal ignore list", but the loss of the current Torsen center diff setup makes this a completely useless vehicle to me. No way I could afford a Limited to get the 4WD functionality I've currently got with the SR5-nor would I want all the extra stuff on the Ltd.
Quoted from Edmunds article : Russ Koble, product education manager for trucks and SUVs, says there's nothing complicated here: "It's a simple strategy, really. We want to make something for everyone, no matter where they live or what they need."
Well Mr. Koble, too bad you didn't make a 4Runner for people who live where it actually snows, where slush freezes at night, where being able to run in 4WD anytime from December until late in March actually allows me to drive on the roads. Too bad my Honda Accord with it's front wheel drive will outperform your new 4Runner come winter time in real world road driving conditions:lookout:.
That's great that they've added to the offroad ability of the vehicle. Sunbelt and desert people rejoice!! I guess for the rest of us who wanted a SUV that can tow, is full frame, can get us anywhere we need to go, and actually be drivable during that time called "winter", we can suck it. Is that about right Mr. Koble?
Yeah, I'm really disappointed with this new drivetrain setup. I've got no hard feelings for those who are getting what they want in the TE, but it looks like Toyota just told a whole bunch of us to buy a Highlander.
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ToyTech99
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Come on now, it's not that bad. It may not be what we all wanted it to be, but it is certainly no Highlander in any sense. We still have our full frame, live axle and decent towing ability. We have some new 4wd goodies thrown in as well. It should be easy enough to put it in 4wd when required. Sure, having the multi-mode is nice and the ability to run 4wd constantly, but I never complained about my other 4wd vehicles that required actually switching into 4wd as needed.
holy_chiman
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Well, all Canadian models (SR5, Limited and Trail) have the full-time multi-mode 4x4 with a locking centre differential. It is specified in the Canadian press release here:
Canadian Press Release
However, our base price starts at $36,800, so you do get what you paid for.
Canadian Press Release
However, our base price starts at $36,800, so you do get what you paid for.
O.K., I looked at the CAN and US versions of the press release. Pretty much identical except for this critical (at least for me) item.
CAN: All packages are equipped with full-time, four-wheel-drive with a locking centre differential and employs a three-mode, centre console-mounted switch.
U.S. : SR5 and Trail 4x4 models have a two-speed lever-operated, part-time system with neutral position, while the 4Runner Limited is equipped with full-time, four-wheel-drive with a locking center differential and employs a three-mode, center console-mounted switch.
Thanks for the heads up on that one. Maybe there's hope that Toyota will extend this to the US market too.
Yea, the weight gain is not good. Seems to be an extra 400 pounds, and the 4Runner wasn't exactly a lightweight back in the 4th Generation.
